Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
Kyon ki
Karna
Shuru
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
aap aik kaam karain.
Jo ahadees aap ne quote ki thein for clapping, can you copy-paste the complete text (with context) here?
Any sensible person would see that the prohibition of clapping was for during prayers. I reject the "Alim's" interpretation. Now label me kafir.
A fatwa by kakaballi:
"Agar aap computer use kar rahay ho tau aap mushriqeen ko imitate ker rahay ho aur aap daira-e-islaam se kharij ho chukay ho kionke computer aur mobile phone istemaal kerna mushrikeen ne shoru kiya tha."
kakaballi mere copy paste kernay ka bhi koi faaida nahi hona is ley k app na Asool-e-hadees ko jaantay hain na uloom-e-Quran per app ko uboor hasil hai....na app yeh jaantay hain ahadees or ayaat say kis terah masaail samjhay or nikalay jatay hain ..tafseer tawil qayaas in sub ka tareeqa kia hai
app sirf apne AQAL ko baghir kisi guidence k chala rahay hain jo k sarsar ghalat ammal hai ...her ILM main Asool -o - zawabit hain duniya ka koi adna sa adna ilm bhi baghir us k qawaneen samjhay nahi perha samjha ja sakta
*Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (4031) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Abi Dawood.
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ab agar app ki Sensibilty per ham chalain to is hadees ko perhnay k bad sub muslman Jungle main hee chalay jaain k Imitate say mana kia hay to ajj kal her dosree cheezz Kuffar ki banaaye hoye hay
Lakin Allah ka shukar hay hamaray pass ulma-e- Haq mojood hain jinhoon nay wazahat ki yeh hadees main jo Imitate ka hukam hay yeh kin kin condition per lagay ga or ummat-e-muslima ko sahoolat dee
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Now label me kafir.
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yeh dialogue bohat porrana ho gaya hay GS per aysa reaction her dosray islamic thread main samnay ata hay jahan zara sa mazhabee nuqat-e-nazar ko byaan kernay ki koshish ki jayee ..
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fatwa by kakaballi:
"Agar aap computer use kar rahay ho tau aap mushriqeen ko imitate ker rahay ho aur aap daira-e-islaam se kharij ho chukay ho kionke computer aur mobile phone istemaal kerna mushrikeen ne shoru kiya tha
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now look at ur reply ...app ki Aqal nay bus itna he Hadees ko samjha or jawab day gayee or Taking breath or yeh fatwa samnay aa gya kion k app ko hadees samjh he nahi aa rahee !
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
kakaballi mere copy paste kernay ka bhi koi faaida nahi hona....
I rest my case. I can quote a thousand ahadees out of context and make up anything. This is exactly what Taliban and other extremists do to promote their agenda and this is exactly what anti-Islamic propagandists do to promote theirs. Please paste complete ahadees and with context.
There are ahadess which say things like "go and kill non-muslims". Taken out of context, they fulfill the propaganda of both extremists and anti-Islamic elements.
is ley k app na Asool-e-hadees ko jaantay hain na uloom-e-Quran per app uboor hasil hai....na app yeh jaantay hain ahadees or ayaat say kis terah masaail samjhay or nikalay jatay hain ..tafseer tawil qayaas in sub ka tareeqa kia hai ....
I don't know much about technicalities of the things you mentioned but I know a couple of things...
I refuse to believe that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) issued a general prohibition against clapping based on what I read on those ahadees you quoted. I refuse to follow such 'ulema-e-haq' which unnecessarily bring complications and divisiveness in the religion to keep their "profession" thriving.
You own avatar is depicting something you claim to be unIslamic. Thank you. I'm out.
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
I rest my case. I can quote a thousand ahadees out of context and make up anything. This is exactly what Taliban and other extremists do to promote their agenda and this is exactly what anti-Islamic propagandists do to promote theirs. Please paste complete ahadees and with context.
There are ahadess which say things like "go and kill non-muslims". Taken out of context, they fulfill the propaganda of both extremists and anti-Islamic elements.
I don't know much about technicalities of the things you mentioned but I know a couple of things...
I refuse to believe that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) issued a general prohibition against clapping based on what I read on those ahadees you quoted. I refuse to follow such 'ulema-e-haq' which unnecessarily bring complications and divisiveness in the religion to keep their "profession" thriving.
You own avatar is depicting something you claim to be unIslamic. Thank you. I'm out.
or mujhay nahi maloom mainy kon se hadees ko baghir context k paish ker k apne taraf say koi cheez banaayee hai ?
app apne maloomat k ley zara yeh bhi dhoond lejeye ga k woh kon kon say maqmaat thay jahan Nabi slal Allaho alyhi wasalm ya sahab-e- karam nay Clapping ki thee.. jub k yeh ammal us waqt kia jata tha koi ab naye cheez ayjaad nahi hoyee ..or jub app ko yeh cheez kaheen na millay to us per thora sa sooch lejeye ga
baqee main wazahat ker chuke thee k yeh pasandeeda or na pasandeede amaal ki behas hay ...jis main sirf tergheeb he de ja sakte hai
bake mere avatar maujhay sirf chaand samjh ata hay ...agar koi unislmaic slogan hay to app bata saktay hain ..
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?
cool down guys :mirch:
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
^ mere avatar ki kia kahanee hay ..mujhay nahi maloom is baray main? do u know ?
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?
aap clapping wali ahadees complete post kion nahee kartay?
mushrikeen worship moon.aap kion mushriqeen ke khuda ko apna avataar banatay ho?
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
انا للہ وانا الیہ راجعون
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?
yeh lain pehlay mainy bukharee or Muslim k refrences say zikker thee jis terah wahan mojood hay ..or mawta imam malik main is terah mojood hai ..ab tassalli ker lain mainy kuch make up nahi kia .. ik hee cheez hay sub main
app ka point of view yeh hay k Prophet Salal Allaho alyhi waslam nay choonkay namaz ki halat main is ammal ko daikha or mana kia to yeh sirf ibaadat k ley he ho ga.. generel condition main apply nahi ho ga
or yaheen say main app ko samjhanay ki koshish ki hay k namaz main to phir bhi womens k ley allow hay k un ki awaaz fitna paida kertee hai…
laki yeh jo khushee kay moqay per bajatay hain is main islamic way SubhanAllah kehna hay kion k app ko Nabi salal allaho alyhi wasalam or shaba-e-karam say kaheen bhi kissi bhi khushe k moqay per clapping ka ammal nahi millay ga .. jo yeh sabit kerta hay k yeh PASANDEEDA nahi hai ..to hadees daleel ban saktee hay k ise mana kernay ki wajah say sahaba karam nay mutlaqan yeh ammal chor diya tha !
Ps>Chand Allah nay banaya hay or main us ki is takhleeq ko pasand kertee hoon agar to khas pic hee slogan hay to main change ker laytee hoon
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
انا للہ وانا الیہ راجعون
can we use 'RIP'?
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
....Ps>Chand Allah nay banaya hay or main us ki is takhleeq ko pasand kertee hoon agar to khas pic hee slogan hay to main change ker laytee hoon
yehi tau masla hai. almost her cheez ki tau pooja ki jaati hai dunya mein. kahan khatam ho ga yeh chakker?
personally, i have no problem with your avatar, jab tak aap iss ki pooja nahee kar rahay. Allah ki banai howi cheezain hain.... appreciate kerna chahiye.
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
yehi tau masla hai. almost her cheez ki tau pooja ki jaati hai dunya mein. kahan khatam ho ga yeh chakker?
personally, i have no problem with your avatar, jab tak aap iss ki pooja nahee kar rahay. Allah ki banai howi cheezain hain.... appreciate kerna chahiye.
hahaha lolzz ..koi masla nahi hai ..bus achay samjhdar Ulmay-e-karam ko dhoondain or un say rehnumaye lain : ) ( ik dafa trust kernay main herj nahi ...kon sa paysay lagtay hain jo wapas nahi milain gai ? )
Aceones &Muqawwee> app dono kia ker rahay hain ? hoounh
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
can we use 'RIP'?
hahaha as you please saeen... magar aadhi taseer kho daingay
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?
Can we say :inna: for non-Muslims?
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?
its said when any valuable thing is lost… be it a muslim, a loved one, your valuable worldly possession, senses…
i see no harm in saying this on lose of valuable human life.
its not dua, its surrendering oneself to The Almighty
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
Aceones &Muqawwee> app dono kia ker rahay hain ? hoounh
wohi jo P_G aur kaka kar rahay hain, thread tha vigil ka, discuss ho rahi hay clapping aur chand.
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?
lakin maiy kabhi kisi non muslim ki death per kisi ko yeh kehtay nahi suna ?
app nay suna hai ?
app say yeh umeed nahi thee
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
lakin maiy kabhi kisi non muslim ki death per kisi ko yeh kehtay nahi suna ?
app nay suna hai ?
jo mantiq bayan ki hay, us man koi kharabi hay? jab kisi ki motorcycle tak chori ho janay par ye kaha ja sakta hay, to qeemti janain zaya ho janay par q nahi? phir is main hum wafat pa janay walay k liye dua to nahi kar rahay, khud apni hesiyat apnay aap ko yaad dila rhay hain. baqi ye k mainay kisi ko kehtay suna to nahi mumkin hay ghalat ho
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
jo mantiq bayan ki hay, us man koi kharabi hay? jab kisi ki motorcycle tak chori ho janay par ye kaha ja sakta hay, to qeemti janain zaya ho janay par q nahi? phir is main hum wafat pa janay walay k liye dua to nahi kar rahay, khud apni hesiyat apnay aap ko yaad dila rhay hain. baqi ye k mainay kisi ko kehtay suna to nahi mumkin hay ghalat ho
kiya Islam main non-Muslim ke liye dua ki bhi ijazat nahin? I know the incident of Hazrat Ibrahim and his father, but still on a larger scale in today's world, how can this be justified among international community?
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
kiya Islam main non-Muslim ke liye dua ki bhi ijazat nahin? I know the incident of Hazrat Ibrahim and his father, but still on a larger scale in today's world, how can this be justified among international community?
i dont know i dont have enough knowledge to say with certainty k ijazat hay ya nahi (khas tor par unki mot kay bad)
lekin itna zaroor pta hay k non-muslims ki zindagi main hidayat aur imaan k liye dua ki na sirf ijazat hay balkay Sunnat Nabawi salallaho alaehe wassallam bhi hay