light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

per khuda khud noor hai.. aap ne Surah e Noor ki wo aayat nahin paRhi..... Noor un Ala Noor.

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

sir ghoomna hota hay matha ghoomna nahi

app ki jumma namaz say qabal mainy apni hiss-e- mazzah ka muzahira nahi dikhaya tha : naraz:

or yeh k OP ko ijazat nahi hote apnay thread ka khud tiyya paancha keray

yeh naik kam dosray kertay hain : hoounh :

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?

clapping is the jurisdiction of Almas Bobi :clap:

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?

Kafir kaheen ka/ki !!!

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

Almass ke deen o mazhab ko poochte kya ho
unhon e taali bajai aur chok pe jalti shamm'on ko aam kiya** **

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

Mubarak ho, aap kee thread ka tiya paanchaa Kakabilli ne kar diya dou posts main

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?

Did you cut and paste?

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V

I don't use Ctrl+X as you now X is new Z.

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

Clap in binary mode. Clap on. Clap off.

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

Am I allowed to clap?

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

Is that Mrs. Kakaballi?

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

if you really want to know then read it

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From the aspects of the Days of Ignorance that the Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) opposed them in was their performance of worship to Allaah by means of whistling and clapping

. Allaah says:وَمَا كَانَ صَلاَتُهُمْ عِندَ الْبَيْتِ إِلاَّ مُكَاء وَتَصْدِيَةً فَذُوقُواْ الْعَذَابَ بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَكْفُرُونَ“

And their prayer at the House (Ka’bah) was nothing but whistling and clapping of hands. So taste the torment because of what you used to disbelieve.” [Surah Al-Anfaal:25]

This means: The worship that the polytheists performed to Allaah at the sacred Ka’bah was nothing more than whistling and clapping.

The word** mukaa** means whistling, while** tasdeeyah** means clapping with the hands and palms. They would do this while at the House of Allaah and call it prayer, seeking nearness to Allaah through it. This is one of the things the devils among mankind and the jinn beautified to them, in order to deceive them.

Worship is not to be done except according to what Allaah has legislated – so it is dependent upon revelation. A person must not introduce something from his own self or take it from someone else when it is not according to what Allaah has legislated, thus worshipping Allaah by it even though it has no source in the religion.

*Here, we can derive the prohibition of these two matters, which are: whistling and clapping. They are forbidden even though one may not intend t to be performing worship by them, since there can be found imitation of the polytheists in it.
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As for clapping, the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) only allowed it specifically for women at the time of a necessity, such as to notify the Imaam if he has omitted or added something to the prayer. This was due to the fitnah that could occur from their voice if there are men present. And it is not permissible for a man to imitate the disbelievers or to imitate a women by clapping.]وَمَا كَانَ صَلاَتُهُمْ عِندَ الْبَيْتِ إِلاَّ مُكَاء وَتَصْدِيَةً فَذُوقُواْ الْعَذَابَ بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَكْفُرُونَ1

Abu Hurairah (رضي الله عنه‏) reported that the Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: “Saying Subhaanallaaah is for men and clapping is for women.” [Transmitted by Al-Bukhaaree (no. 1203) and Muslim (no(no. 422/106)]

And in the hadeeth of Sahl bin Sa’ad, he reported that the Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: “Why is it that I see you clapping so much. Whoever is doubtful about something is the prayer, let him SubhanAllaah for if one says it, it will attract attention. Clapping is only for women.” Transmitted by Al-Bukhaaree (no. 684) and Muslim (no. 421)] (no. 421)
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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

muqawwee app do cheezon ko mix ker rahay hain mera aytraaz ROSHNI per nahi hay aytraz us khas tareeqa ko apnanay per hay jo Jewish k faith say mushabayhat hai ..

yahan boot noor roshnee waghera k nahi chal rahee

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

koi bat nahi ..kernay dain..main bhi aksar threads main yeh kam kertee hoon..: D

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

bhai logo, rest assured, when several years down the lane this practice will make its place in our religion, make sure you were not one of its advocate. we may be gone by then, but the practice will be here, and contribute to our nama-e-amaal... good or bad. baqi allah behtar janta hay we did our job or not.

laash parwaanay ki aagay say hata day koi
shama ma-soom hai badnaam hui jaati hai

: p

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

and that is why 'context' is important. I investigated a little bit and found:

Clapping is prohibited DURING PRAYERS when you want to attract attention of Imam for something.

"Here, we can derive the prohibition of these two matters...."

The above is what I feel strongly about. The 'Aalims' complicate our religion so much just to keep themselves in business.

What next? Since mushriqeen breathe during their prayers, and we should not immitate mushrikeen, therefore we should stop breathing.

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

People can do the same act for entirely different reasons, its the intention that matters IMHO.

A charity with intention of pleasing Allah is good, to show off is sin.

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

We get too caught up in the process.

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

jee Nahi What Next yeh is ley nahi ho sakta k Quran main Surah Baqra k last rukku k ayat

Laa yukal'lif ul Allahu Nafsan il'la Wusaaha
Allah burdens not a person beyond what he can bear

ab agar app ki nazar is ayat per hotee to app kabhi bhi aysa Qayaas(deliberation)na kertay

or yehe Farq hai Amm INsan or ik Alim ki daleel main....

main or app sirf ik ayat ya hadees jo samnay ho ge us ko dekhain gay or apne samjh say Raaye bana lain gay

jaisa k appnay CLAPPING walay maslay main Apne Strong Feeling ko mau'tbar samjha or Alim ko tafseer ko MUSKil keh ker reject ker diya

ALim complecated nahi kerta bus hum apnay comfort Zone say bahir Nahi ana chahtay

khaas tor us waqt jub Sunnat ya mustahib ya makroohat ki baat ho to bilkul bhi samjhna nahi chahtay hain jub Haram nahi hay to bus chor do or kuch mat kaho

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“Whomever imitates them is one of them”, as narrated to Abu Dawud r.a.**

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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

aap aik kaam karain.

Jo ahadees aap ne quote ki thein for clapping, can you copy-paste the complete text (with context) here?

Any sensible person would see that the prohibition of clapping was for during prayers. I reject the "Alim's" interpretation. Now label me kafir.

A fatwa by kakaballi:

"Agar aap computer use kar rahay ho tau aap mushriqeen ko imitate ker rahay ho aur aap daira-e-islaam se kharij ho chukay ho kionke computer aur mobile phone istemaal kerna mushrikeen ne shoru kiya tha."