light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

kal mainy apne zindge main pehlee dafa sarkooon or gharoon k agay light a candle in memory of victims k nam per bohat saray logon ko candels jalatay daikha …pehlay to mere samjhn Nahi aya yeh tareeqa kub say nikla or kahan say aya

jahan tak mere maloomat hay yeh to jewish churches k andar hota hai ?

hamaray mazhab main main to bohat saaf saaf yeh bat or Nabi salal Allaho alyhi wasalam or sahaba karam k ammal hay k jub bhi ummat-e-muslima per koi aafat pareshani ayee to salat ul hajaat or quran kay khatimaat or ijtimaye duaaoN ki teraf ruju kia jata hay …

Bair-e-Mawna k waqiya main jub 70 sahaba karam ko dhoka say shaheed kia gaya to App salal Allaho alyhi waslam nay naamaz-e-fajar main **qunoot-e-nazila **k ahtmam kia . jis main zalmeen k ley bad duaain or Allah say madad mangee jatee hai .. or yehe tareeqa hum main raha hai

yeh ab kia naye cheez kaafiroon say hum nay ley lee hai …? light a candel? …yeh to kisi terah bhi dukh k izhaar ka tareeqa nahi ban sakta ! or na Allah say madad hasil ho saktee hai !

Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

Its a cultural thing and people don't practice it as religious custom. People did offer ghaibana namaz e janaza at various places and did fateha and khatm e Quran.

I would say everyone got different way to show the sorrow and express solidarity. some of them can connect to this vigil / candle light thing, so let them do that. What matter most the expression of your feelings about the victim and just feeling pain for their families.

We had this session of weekly presentations in our office. Our session yesterday started with one minute silent. Now, this is not something that is taught in our religion or belongs to local culture, but its now a universal way to express solidarity.

Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

muqawwee her bat ko hum is terah cultural thing keh ker chortay jaain to kal yeh app k tor tareeqay ban jaain gay

jub Nabil salal Allhu alyhi wasalam 9 or 10 muharram or 10 or 11 muharram k rozay main itne ahtyaat bata rahay hain k sirf 10 k akyla roza na rakho k yahood say mushabihat na ayeee .... baaloon kay style yahood say mushabihat na ayee ... darhee rakhnay main majoosion say mushabihat Na ayee.. itnee chote chote batoon per itnee ahtyaat batayee to
main or app kis terah itnee asani say kuffar ka culture apay culture main shamil ker rahay hain ?

mera zyhan to is cheez ko bilkul qubool nahi ker raha !

yeh to hazrat Nooh alyhi salam ki qoom walee bat ban gayee k jub hazrat Nooh alyhi salam say pehlay k Anbia Wisaal ker gaye to un ki qoomain ghamgeen ho gayeen ...or shaitan insan k roop main un kay pass aya or kaha tumhain apnay Naik log bohat yaad aatay hon gay to tum un ki tasveerain bana ker rakh lo or un ki yaad taza ker lo ..dil ko tassali ho gee

or un baroon k guzar janay k bad u ki nasal nay samjha k hamaray baray in tasverroon ko poojtay thay unhoon nay But' paratee shuroo ker dee...

one minut silent and light a candel yeh kion hamaray dilon ki taskeen ban gaya .? us one minut ki jagah ijtimaye Dua ik minut ki kion na mange gayee..?

yeh bhi or woh bhi ...yane hamare marzee ?

Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

I think societies evolve over the period of time. Now people wear pants shirts and western clothes across the county, but I remember till 1990s in our hometown, one of our teacher used to wear jeans and children in every street hooted him (including us from windows of our home). When we started wearing same, our elders reminded us about that hooting.

So people do adapt dresses, lifestyles form other cultures and as far as it is not termed as religious customs, I don't see any problem in it. But if someone come and say that you need to wear long jubbas (as some wannabes wear in Pakistan) as its the attire Prophet (SAW) worn during his life and its the Islamic dress code, then I see a problem in it.

I again repeat what matters is dua for the victims. If someone does that by sitting at home or does it around a candle vigil or does it in between one minute silence or after reciting some surahs from Quran, its all good. You and me may prefer last option, others may not find that tofeeq and opt for other options.

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^ agar kal ko log hindu ki terhah marnay walay ki tasverron per phool kay haar daalain gay ...app us ko bhi its OK? keh dain gay ... or un ki terah rakh k bajaye qabbar ki mitti ko samander main bahaain gay tio its ok ?

its all good ,,decide kernay k ley islam kay qawaneen daikhnay parain gay .

Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

baat tou sahi kee hai PG ne yahaan

Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

Light is beautiful thing and I suppose it is most primitive way of connecting to God

Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?

We Sindhis do follow this flower haar thing for pictures of our dead ones. :hinna:

Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

App ka nuqta nazar theek hia... mager hamary han kay molvi hazrat hamain sahi tareeqa bhi to nahi batay hian...

ager woh log open ho kar educate karain to ham kion na seekhian...

Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

I think we should not give it any religious angle. Candle light vigilance is a global expression of expressing sorrow and unity to the victims of any tragedy. Lets only look at the from that angle.

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app nay jis terah apnnay school college university ki education k ley mehnat ke hay. kia ise terah Islam k ahkamaat seekhnay k ley bhi mehnat kee hay ? jis terah behtreen say behtreen insitiution ki research kertay hain is terah Ulema karam ko dhoonday ki koshish ki hai ? app ik maheenay main kitne dafa ulema-e-karam k dars main shirkat kertay hain ..?

.apne kotahi ko molvion k sir per na daalain ... : )..or ik muslman ki haysiyat say jub hum is bat ko qubool kertay hain k humain islam k tamam ahkaamat ki saheeh tehqeeq nahi to humain apnay her act k baray main khud conscious rehna chaeye or hum per farz k us k baray main ulma-e-karam k paas ja ker sawal kerain ...

quran main yehe tareeqa sikhaya hai k jub tumhain ilm na ho to ilm waloon say pooch lo !

is ki history batain mujhain yeh kub or kahan say start hoa main is per ulma-e-karam ki raye zaroor maloom kero gee

Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?

point is simple, its fun, you get coverage in media, its trendy and its easy.

while on the other hand, you have to wake-up at a time when everyone is fast asleep, go to masjid for fajar, stand in jamaa' for long rakaa' with qunoont-e-nazila... its tough

ijtemaee-dua? you will be called backward, mullah etc etc

khatm-e-quran? not much coverage in media, and not very trendy

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Everything is so easy if you start it from yourself Alhamdulilah!Dunya News: Peyam-E-Subh-part All-2014-12-17-Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman, Dr..

And i love my ullema e karam, may Allah bless them all, see what message they give at these time of trials

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there is no doubt that we end up mixing cultures and traditions from other regions.....I think that this is all there is to it.
last night there was a candle-light vigil held in Toronto at the Pakistani consulate. Surah Fateha was read as well as readings from various other faiths.
there was also a khatm-e-quran done and many masajids offered ijtema'ee dua and I'm sure that same will take place in the mosques today.

while you have a valid point when you bring up the beloved prophet's (pbuh) teachings with respect to differentiating ourselves, I think it might be an idea to consider what the prophet did when he dealt with tragedies that spanned a vast region where multiple faiths were involved because THAT is in fact what we are dealing with in today's global society.

we can not choose to act in an isolated fashion. we must act in a way to bring communities together so that this fight against the Taliban can become a fight for all, not just Pakistanis.

of course we cannot allow any actions that remove/exclude us from our faith but I'm also sure that including a tradition that does not contradict will not do any harm. Allah knows best.

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But media did covered ghaibana namaza janaz with same importance as candle light vigils. I think as the prime time is in night, we observe that media is giving more air time to candle light vigils in night.

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@P_G app candle light ko issue kion bana rahi hian. app pehlay ulema karam say baat karain aur unhain cultural nuqta nazar samjhain… ham sab mashaAllah say deen ki samjh bojh rakhty hian..
mager asr e hazir kay ulema siqafat aur tano say door door hian… :5:

Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?

Ulema ka jawaab tou iss pe munhasir hai ke hum oon se sawaaal kaisay poochtay hain. Candlelight Vigil is not a replacement of fateha and dua. Its a way of universal way of showing your respect to a cause or a suffering. Its a message for the love ones that we are with you. Mera nahi kahyaal ke yeah koi biddat hai, na hi yeah kisi quom ke mazahabi tareeqon kee pairvee hai.

In fact if you think of it, roshni is a symbol of eliminating zulm ke andharay. Its just a way of raising your voice against the unjust. If you think if it that way, its 100% in line with the hadees of Prophet Mohammed :saw2: where he described three ways of how to fight unjust (Talwaar, zabaan, ya kam az kam dil main hee buraa samajhnaa)

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dost, awwal to ghaibana namaz-e-janaza ka kahin zikar nahi huwa thread main, lekin aap khud jantay hain kisko kitni coverage mili. aur baat coverage ki hay hi nahi, jis ALLAH say maafi aur madad mangi jati hay wo media coverage ka mohtaj nahi hay, wo apnay ghar main bethay fateha parhnay walay ko bhi janta hay aur candle-light vigil walay ko bhi. bat nabi kay tareeqay ki hay. aur dua mangnay ka, ijtemai-astaghfar ka jo tareeqa ALLAH kay nabi S.A.W. nay btaya hay, koi doosra tareeqa usko replace nahi kar sakta

From wiki: Vigil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know Wikipedia is not an authentic source, but its good enough for a generic reference like this one, its not a research paper.
point is, its not a cultural thing, its a religious thing which we are introducing in our culture, and slowly it will creep into religious practices just like things we do on Milaad-e-nabawi and Aashoora-e-moharram. and dont tell me we report it as “aaj mulk main xyz saqafati jazbay say manaya gya” we say “aaj mulk main xyz mazhabi josh-o-jazbay say manaya gaya” and thats how deen changes, not in one day, in 100s of years.

by the way, i for one didnt even know this word vigil till last year, people did this practice before, but this has just become viral in pakistan now.

secondly, ghaibana namaz-e-janaza is no response way of collective repentance. and don’t know if its ok to say or not, but har kisi nay apni dairh eent ki masjid bhi banai hui hay, most of these people who offered ghaibana namaz-e-janaza at their own places they could have easily joined namaz-e-janaza in Peshawar itself.

JI nay apnay markaz par ada ki, IK sahab nay D Chowk main aakar, aur N$ nay shaid kaheen shamil hona munasib hi nahi samjha. Even though they all were in Peshawar that day, and could have joined prayer in Peshawar just like COAS did.
but then many will say its easy to criticize and “what you have done that you are criticizing them?” so i better leave it here.

Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?

konsa culture? na to ye Pakistani culture ka hissa hay, na hi islami culture (if there is anything like that). its purely a Christian and Jewish Religious practice not a cultural thing.

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Vigil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Christian burial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Vigil | Define Vigil at Dictionary.com

a quote from the last link above.