Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
So lightening of candles in not allowed in Islam?
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
So lightening of candles in not allowed in Islam?
nope, but using candles as symbol for mourning is not established.
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
nope, but using candles as symbol for mourning is not established.
that precisely was my question :) Anyways is it not allowed or not discussed in your religious books?
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
kiya Islam main non-Muslim ke liye dua ki bhi ijazat nahin? I know the incident of Hazrat Ibrahim and his father, but still on a larger scale in today's world, how can this be justified among international community?
Maghfarat ki dua marny k bad karny ki ijazat nahi, magar you we should pray for their guidance when they are alive, and i would say we have to do it, being an ummati of Muhammad sallal laho alehe wasallam, i hope you rememeber the dua of muhammad sallalo laho alehe wasallam for umar radi Allah ta'ala and abu jehal, so we should pray for them especially for their guidance!!
May Allah guide all of us Ameen
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
that precisely was my question :) Anyways is it not allowed or not discussed in your religious books?
It's just not discussed or even mentioned. The debate we're seeing is like saying that drinking Coca Cola is religiously not allowed or whatever because it is neither explicitly mentioned in religious books nor anyone in 7th century Arabia drank carbonated drink from a metal can.
It's a long and pointless palaver.
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
It's just not discussed or even mentioned. The debate we're seeing is like saying that drinking Coca Cola is religiously not allowed or whatever because it is neither explicitly mentioned in religious books nor anyone in 7th century Arabia drank carbonated drink from a metal can.
It's a long and pointless palaver.
May be you are right but didn't Arab know Candles in 7th Century
Secondly, can such thing offend Allah?
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
May be you are right but didn't Arab know Candles in 7th Century Secondly, can such thing offend Allah?
I'm pretty sure Arabs knew and used candles.
But truth to be told, lit candles do have a strong symbolic meaning in Christian Church, and the use of such symbolism increases further if you belong to the Roman Catholic Church. You have alter candles, paschal candles lit every Easter and usual prayer candles. In Britain, thousands of Catholics make a pilgrimage to Canterbury Cathedral ever year to light a candle at exact spot where Archbishop Thomas Becket was murdered. The first thing you notice when you go inside the Canterbury Cathedral is the expansive display of beautifully lit candles. I believe it's a very Catholic tradition to pay respect, mourn and make prayers through lighting a candle. I don't think any Catholic church service can be held without the lit candles. I remember when I was in Year 6 or 7, we were studying English Reformation (England's break with Rome), and every time our teacher would ask us a quick question about the difference between Catholic and Protestant Church in 16th century Britain, the first thing we would typically say is that Protestant Church unlike the Catholic Church had no lavish display of alter candles.
Anyway, that's just bit of background information about the strong spiritual and religious symbolism associated with lit candles. Of course not everyone who lights up a candle to mourn the dead is trying to emulate Christians. I personally find lit candles very therapeutic. The idea of bright burning flames providing a visual reminder of possible triumph of hope and human resilience over darkness. I don't think my God would be offended by this. My God is greater than that.
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
that precisely was my question :) Anyways is it not allowed or not discussed in your religious books?
we have rules and laws in our religious Book Quran and then ahaadith ... and by following these Rules our Scholars tell to ummah that what is permissible in islam and whats not...its not necessary that each and every thing mentioned by names and ,conditions ...like when u know a formula u can solve many questions by using this ..
It's just not discussed or even mentioned. The debate we're seeing is like saying that drinking Coca Cola is religiously not allowed or whatever because it is neither explicitly mentioned in religious books nor anyone in 7th century Arabia drank carbonated drink from a metal can.
It's a long and pointless palaver.
i m sorry jolie ...app ki statement kafee had tak ghalat hai .. khanay peenay main halal haram k ahkaam bilkul clear hain ..bat wohee hay k app ayaat or ahadees ka mafhoom samjhtay hoon......coca cola ka nam mention nahi lakin yeh** RULE **to mention hay kon see cheez kisi Drink ko haram kertee hay ab yeh understood bat hay k us k ilawa her drink jaaiz halal ho ga
bat wohee hay k jub ISLAM qyamat tak k ley hay to jitnee bhi new inventions hon gee un k baray main humain ISLAM hee guid keray ga or woh guidence wohee rules hain jo Quran or hadees or phir shaba-e-karam kay aqwaal say maloom hon gay
I'm pretty sure Arabs knew and used candles.
But truth to be told, lit candles do have a strong symbolic meaning in Christian Church, and the use of such symbolism increases further if you belong to the Roman Catholic Church. You have alter candles, paschal candles lit every Easter and usual prayer candles. In Britain, thousands of Catholics make a pilgrimage to Canterbury Cathedral ever year to light a candle at exact spot where Archbishop Thomas Becket was murdered. The first thing you notice when you go inside the Canterbury Cathedral is the expansive display of beautifully lit candles. I believe it's a very Catholic tradition to pay respect, mourn and make prayers through lighting a candle. I don't think any Catholic church service can be held without the lit candles. I remember when I was in Year 6 or 7, we were studying English Reformation (England's break with Rome), and every time our teacher would ask us a quick question about the difference between Catholic and Protestant Church in 16th century Britain, the first thing we would typically say is that Protestant Church unlike the Catholic Church had no lavish display of alter candles.
Anyway, that's just bit of background information about the strong spiritual and religious symbolism associated with lit candles. Of course not everyone who lights up a candle to mourn the dead is trying to emulate Christians.** I personally find lit candles very therapeutic. The idea of bright burning flames providing a visual reminder of possible triumph of hope and human resilience over darkness.** I don't think my God would be offended by this. My God is greater than that.
app ka yeh Reply bohat acha hay is terah k appp nay kam az kam yeh bat to clear ki k VIgil ki history kia hai ..or yeh k Musalmaanoo nay yeh Kuffar ka tareeqa he follow kia hay apne khud ki sooch nahi
appp ko personally kia feelings hotee hain woh alag bat hay app apnay kamray main apnay gher main jitne marzee candels jallain
yahan topic yeh hay k MUSEEBAT or AAFAT k waqt ISLAM musalmanoo ko kia tareeqa sikhata hay kis terah us museebat say pannah mangi jaye or kis terah Allah k hifz o amaan main aya jayee
Vigil ka tareeqa ajj tak musalmanoo main daikhnay main nahi aya tha..or dont tell me k is say pehlay kissi moqay per Unity dikhaanay ka waqt nahi aya ...
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
jo mantiq bayan ki hay, us man koi kharabi hay? jab kisi ki motorcycle tak chori ho janay par ye kaha ja sakta hay, to qeemti janain zaya ho janay par q nahi? phir is main hum wafat pa janay walay k liye dua to nahi kar rahay, khud apni hesiyat apnay aap ko yaad dila rhay hain. baqi ye k mainay kisi ko kehtay suna to nahi mumkin hay ghalat ho
sawal yeh nahi hay ki yeh perhna saheeh hay ya nahi ..sawal yeh k kia NAbi salal Allaho alyhi waslam say qool ya fail k zareye aisa koi ammal sabit hay ? ya sahba-e-karam main kissi nay aysa kia
yeh tehqeeq zaroore hay ..kion k non muslim us zamanay main bhi thay or martay bhi thay or yeh ayat to quran main un k hotay he nazil hoyee thee
Abu Talib say berh ker kon sa non muslim ho sakta hay jis nay ISlam ko support kia hoa ..or Sirf Abu Talib hee hain jin k lay Allah nay Adna Azaab ka ziker kia
lakin na mainy perha na suna k Abu Talib ka jub Intiqaal hoa to App Salal allhu alyhi wasalm nay yeh kalma ada kia ho
(agar kisi k ilm main yeh bat ho to zarore share keray )
2> dosra point yeh k yahan GS per AQAL ko bohat follow kia jata hay to aqal yeh kehtee hay ki Non muslim yeh aqeeda he nahi rakhtay k Allah ki teraf loat ker jaana hay to app is khair k qamla ko aysay shaks ki moot per kion perhna chahtay hain jo is aqeeday k he munahrif hai ?
kiya Islam main non-Muslim ke liye dua ki bhi ijazat nahin? I know the incident of Hazrat Ibrahim and his father, but still on a larger scale in today's world, how can this be justified among international community?
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It is not befitting for the Prophet and those who have believed to ask forgiveness for the polytheists, even if they were relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are companions of Hellfire. (9:113
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Send your condolences in a very caring manner An example would be, “I’m extremely sorry for your loss. Stay patient and strong.” towards the family of the person
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Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
let's say...lighting a candle is NOT Haraam but it's NOT encouraged either. it's like copying the infidels as Muslims have their own blessed ways of expressing sorrow/grief. we, as a Muslim, believe that the life is a sacred thing from Allah who owns it so death is just returning the soul to it's rightful owner. death is not a very 'undesirable' fact in Islam. we are not supposed to mourn the death for a long period of time or flagellate our body or thump our chest with grief. wailing is allowed for widows for three days only.
as far as copying another nation is concerned, there is a Hadees regarding bead N mustache. our prophet [saws] had said "moochheN kaTaao, daaRhii baRhaao" because Jews used to have uncut beard and mustaches.
not following a Hadees is neither kufr nor disobedience to Rasool [saws]. however, following his sunna is a blessed act.
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?
janaba molana mufti mahool naqshbandi sb kia bat hey u key :cobra: mein to u ka mureed ho gia :fraudia:
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?
Woh kahtay hain na kawa chala hans key chal apni chal bhi bhool gia :cobra:
ager yeh sub kuch chalta raha aor hum buhat si rasmon ko jo dor e jahliat ka hisa thi apnay culture ka hisa banatey rahay to ek din ay ga kah hum white dress mein church mein shadi kar rahey hon gey kah koi bat nahin culture hey 
aj kal aisi batein kerney walon ko farsoda khiyalat ka hami kaha jata hey iss liye aisi baton sey ijtanab farmaye aur valentine day per phool holwen (khoufnaki) day per baghair make up k bahir niklo aor dance day pe nach nach ker pagal ho jay haqqqqqqqqqqqq
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju' ilal-Allah ?
P_G thanks for your reply, islamic history is out of my intellectual domain,so I don't have any counter-question. But keep posting it helps in learning about it :)
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?
kaheen u wohi to nahin jo girls college k bahir kharay ho kar subhan Allah ka wird kar rahey thay :cobra: aor phir khallay barey paray thay 
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?
ghair muslimon k liye kar saktey hain :cobra: mufti jasos 
Re: light a candle in memory of victims or Ruju’ ilal-Allah ?
Nabi S.A.W. kay chacha, Abu Talib ka intaqal, Aap S.A.W. kay Madeena Munawwara hijrat say pehlay huwa, jab kay wo Ayah jis main museebat/pareshani kay waqt إنا لله وإنا إليه راجعون kehnay ki takeed ki gai hay wo Surah Baqara Ayah 156 hay “اَلَّذِیْنَ إِذَا أَصَابَتْھُمْ مُّصِیْبَۃٌ قَالُوآ إِنَّا لِلّٰہِ وَاِنَّآ اِلَیْہِ رَاجِعُوْنَ” Taqreeban mukammal Surah Baqadari Madeena Munawwara main nazil hui siwaye Hajjatul Widah ki ayah kay. To ye kaha ja sakta hay k janab Abu Talib ki wafat kay waqt ye kaha hi nahi jata tha.
That is one thing. Another thing which I have no doubt on, is that asking for Maghfirat for a non-believer is not allowed. But this Ayah is not about forgiveness of the deceased, its more of a reminder to self, and forgiveness for oneself who says it. lehaza isay intaqal kar janay walay kay liye dua to nahi kaha ja sakta, ye is usool kay to kisi tarha khilaf nahi hay. Agar intaqal kar janay walay ko aakhirat par aur Allah ki taraf laot kar janay ka yaqeen nahi hay to kya huwa? humain to hay. is ayaah main hum to khud apnay aap ko ALLAH ki raza kay samnay surrender kar rhay hain aur apnay liye behtari ki dua kar rhay hain, intaqal karnay walay k liye to nahi.
but even if all this sounds reasonable, I cannot insist anymore after I found this:
as for saying R.I.P. (Rest in Peace/Requiescat in pace)… its a straight forward dua. Which for a deceased non-believer is not right.