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I disagree with this tbh. Not sure where you live in the UK but where I live there is pretty much a high level of tolerance with obviously the occasional differences here and there, and even then it’s not a lot.

Also, I am a muslim girl and don’t wear hijab yet. However, I have plenty of muslim friends with hijab and non hijab. In fact one of my best friends is a hijabi. Im never kept at an arms distance.

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I think Morocco is quite liberal to an extent. When i visited i was so surprised to see the amount of women both covered and less covered walking about on their own without a care in the world. I remember seeing this really pretty and attractive woman (yes i am saying this as a girl) and she was actually model material. Although she was by herself, I did not see a single guy approach her or do anything. So surprising. Especially considering the guys in Pakistan when you go and visit especially as a girl… even if you are fully covered. God help them. :confused:

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Ofcourse they cover up whilst praying, but similarly those who wear hijab are said to be fulfilling a religious obligation but there are alot of girls who don’t do it, because they feel it doesn’t suit them/ they dont wanna stand out etc, despit knowing its so important they choose to not wear a hijab. They are making a choice which does not have a place in Islam. So would that nullify their good deeds? Hopefully not.

Allah’s made these rules for our protection but your character and deen cannot be judged on purely that basis. For example, Reham Khan faced all sorts of criticism for her dressing on BBC. But she seems like a great woman with morals and Imran Khan was all praises for her. I refuse to believe a good person, doing necessary ibadaat and fulfilling huqook ul ibaad is living a double life just because they are dressing in bit revealing clothes.

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I’ve got friends who wear hijab and they Malaysian, sweet people. But my experience UK born asians has been very blahhh.. I would be nice to them because they were wearing it, don’t ask me why, but they seen to prefer other hijabis. Personal choice i suppose. But they were pretty much all like that.

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North Africans seem pretty moderate in this sense. Same with Algerians and Tunisians.

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So Imran Khan is all praises for his wife an that is enough for you? Most husbands do praise their brides. So what? Why is Reham your ideal or why are you using her as your ideal. Why not aim higher than Reham? How about the wives of the Prophet SAWS or his daughter? They didn’t pick and choose did they?

Did you even read my first post? It is naive to think that clothes are just clothes and don’t send messages or come with judgment. I remember even in high school girls would describe the dressing sense of another female as trashy or skanky…and there was no Islam or Christianity or religion playing into these judgments.

If you put any thought whatsoever in what you decide to wear for uni or work or a funeral or a party…only reinforces the truth that clothes come with judgment and makes an impression about their wearer. Stop trying to dismiss this.

You are fighting with ego. None of us care whether you go about prancing in bare legs or in a sleeveless or without a dupatta. It’s your choice that you want to be inspired by Reham Khan than Quran and Sunnah. You have the freedom of choice as Islam does not condone forcing on anyone. But just as you have the freedom of choice, we have the freedom to judge or form whatever opinion we want. Your choice to shed your clothes ala Reham Khan or your approval of this lifestyle should not come with the demand that other Muslims ignore the sunnah.

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Does not following one practice nullify other deeds? Only Allah knows whether He’ll nullify or accept those other good deeds. But the question is does Allah Himself want us to pick and choose what we follow or does He want us to try or best in implementing Islam consistently in all matters of life? That’s the question you should try to answer. And if your answer is “Allah would want me to practice consistency”…then that should tell you that picking and choosing is wrong. And if it’s wrong…then it doesn’t matter whether other deeds are accepted or what the hell Reham Kham does…these things are irrelevant. What matters is that you try to correct that one “wrong” that you’re committing if it matters enough to you.

Also, sometimes sins can nullify good deeds. For instance gossiping/lying/cheating/not praying are said to detract from a roza and to possibly render it invalid. You made the choice to fast. You also made the choice to skip prayers while fasting. But it’s said that Allah is not in need of such a roza. The point is that instead of worrying about whether your other deeds have been accepted or not, try your honest best to aim for consistency in all matters of life.

I don’t understand why some folks approach life as though they’re still in high school. As if life is a popularity contest and the “cool kids” like Reham Khan and the Kardashians should be followed regardless of whether what they’re doing may be wrong. Depends on whether you wanna follow the world or submit to a higher authority (Allah, prophet, Sunnah, etc).

Op, you need to have the courage to say to yourself, " I am making the choice to disobey Allah" as opposed to pointing fingers at Islam and Pakistan for being narrow-minded. The latter approach is cowardice.

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LMAO! Have you guys been to Algiers, Tunis or Marrakesh? :slight_smile:

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There are plenty of north african arabs where I live in the midlands and you don’t need to visit the places when everyones on facebook these days, natives and expats.

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Good to know you haven’t visited and base your interactions and assessments of countries on economic migrants. Thank you.

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@RV honey you are constantly patronizing me in every post, when I am being very respectful and careful in what I say. I’ll have to ignore you I’m sorry x

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Ignore away sweetie. I suppose it’s more comforting than both facing and admitting the truth. Persist in your ignorance, they say it’s bliss.

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Thanks for posting anyway. May God bless you and give you health, ameen x

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@bella_Rouge

Love your posts and fully agree with them. You shouldn’t waste any more of your time trying to talk some sense into some very ignorant people. Let them live in their isolated bubble of stupidity :slight_smile:

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Moroccans are quite non-judgemental people. I mean I was travelling from Fez to Rabat via train and met this lovely hijabi who was drinking alcohol. That killed me.

A part of me says they’re tolerant, the other part says they’re effed up.

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Still at war with the lady. So got to like the post that liked the post.

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Look no part of me wants the Saudi blogger to get lashes. And I’m sorry if it seemed like I did.

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did you ever bother to study the ottoman cultural from start till end?
few keywords to study: ottoman miniature, classical music, culture of harem ..etc

also the modern armed forces structure first raised by Ottomans and same goes for the Millat (the law of land) which was mostly written by Georgian Christians which i think still a viable option for Muslim countries to adopt to move away from camel riding !

It’s better for the likes of you to come back to senses from Ottoman utopian glory dreams. Even today the Turkish people give more importance to Turkish identity then the religion itself which is evident from their constitution which is silent on blasphemy but give severe punishment for the later.

a good read Turkish Islam & National Identity
Turkish Islam and National Identity | Middle East Research and Information Project