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You should dye them blonde to get aashirwaad from nazis. 
And don’t forget the blue contact lenses.
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This.
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I’m saddened that your experience has been so limited.
Perhaps you should express this sentiment to someone outside of your social circle and ask them to introduce you to the vast majority of “hijabians & burkha-clad ninjas” that are not “morally worst”. Trust me they are out there…
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Just a tiny little question…
do you follow what others are doing or what the Quran has decreed?
is it important to “feel Muslim” or actually “be Muslim”?
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Maybe it is important to just be the best person one can be. One step back, 1.1 steps forward is a realistic goal.
Off topic alert.
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Rihanna started it.
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I absolutely like it when at GS I find things ,which I would not other wise.
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I love this word.
wa kaana amram maqdiyyaa
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My experience. Hehe.
trust me there are very few, very… And those too living some kind a utopian paradigm where they are righteous one and rest are going to hell.
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Coz they want to hear camel twitching… And that I can’t do !
you see everyone have their sweet spot…
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Feeling muslim relates to the imaan that tells us that we are fulfilling our duties as a muslim, which includes, praying on time, respecting others, not commiting kufr.
What I’m gaining from the responses here is that people find dressingly like westernised people challanges your imaan, makes your phony, it’s not just matter of taste - you are have become corrupted.
I know many turks who pray and dress modernly in social gatherings, this is just an example, to figure out how you can incoporat both things. I find it fascinating that this is possible in muslims communities.
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This thread reminds me of this somali? black glamour model who was shown praying in proper attire when asked how she conflate islam and modeling.
Btw, it is one of these CARs, the good ‘ole short skirt wearing good muslims, where girls are kidnapped by the prospects’ family and then the girl is coached by his female and male relatives to give in and marry their ladla..
I’d say that is very liberal. I am against the ISIS, taliban, fazlu type characters, but tolerance and liberalism is much more than clothes except for the fickle mind. It it wasn’t then the minskirted arabs wouldn’t have failed in the pan-arabic socialist gulf when the same liberal values succeeded in the west.
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A woman’s level of clothing should never be seen as a proof to her level of iman (faith). But our role models should be the ones who practise Islam outwardly as well as inwardly.
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You sound like an adolescent. Define dressing modern. If the modern dressing consists of clothes that define the form and reveal skin…then they are not in accordance to Islam’s teachings even if that person is praying on time and fasting.
You know what you’re doing? You’re deflecting or diverting. When people have a “problem” with following an Islamic adjunction, they divert people’s attention either to another sin or to another rule/practice. For example, drinking is a sin. So the person who does not want to give it up will “deflect” from this sin onto another sin by saying something like “At least I don’t gossip like other Muslims do.” Gossiping is a sin too, but bringing it up doesn’t decrease the gravity of the sin of drinking.
Another method is that the person might "divert/deflect one’s focus from his drinking by saying “I still pray 5 times a day and I give zakat and I’m overall a good Muslim.” You might pray and fast and give zakat and be a kind soul…BUT… even those good deeds don’t decrease the gravity of the sin of drinking. You may be following other orders, but you’re still breaking one rule and you cannot use the justification that “Since I follow 10 other rules, I can go easy with one of them.” You can’t dismiss it like that.
And that’s exactly what you’re doing. You’re using the rather weak strategies of deflect/divert.
Um no. Look at your original post. It was not about tackling folks who think that revealing skim makes one phony. Your thread sounds more like a rant…a rant about your own personal frustrations that you cannot freely wear whatever you want. If so, then why don’t you just tell us “I don’t want to follow religious and cultural expectations” as opposed to pointing a finger at religion and Muslims who choose to follow Quran/Sunnah.
****You sound weak when you say “incorporate both things.” A person who prays namaz and drinks as a way to socialize with his coworkers…is ONLY incorporating religion and dunya. He’s not incorporating BOTH religious adjunctions. Out of the two…he’s only incorporating namaz. The drinking is a violation of Islamic rules.
When Islam says to “incorporate deen and dunya”…it means that your dunya practices should also be within Islamic limits. You exercise dunya by shopping for clothes and paying attention to your appearance, but without compromising Islamic rulings to the best of your ability. The type of “incorporation” that you speak of is the kind that dilutes Islam in other areas.
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This is very hard to do. I am susceptible to the viewpoint of the “liberal fascist” side as you would say because I also have seen hijabis and beard hugging, good islamic talking namazis do all sorts of dishonest behaviors let alone ISIS and their one verse explanations of everything.
For me, there is a lot of grey and I would agree with bella on one point that we should be more tolerant of each other.
PS It is a hard one, but isn’t a women’s haya a part of her faith? Sure, it applies to men as well but men have to cover less compared to a believing woman.
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You can’t just pick and choose what rules of the deen you wish to follow (e.g. praying on time, respecting others and not committing kuf) and omit the rest.
Furthermore…when you are “praying on time”…do you wear the same knee-length skirts? Do the Muslim women in Turkey, or any other predominantly Muslim country, pray in this attire?
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When I went to Istanbul I felt that Turkish people were robbed off of their original ottoman cultural heritage and were ripped off of their Islamic identity by the strict secular regimes. Just like Afghans have been put upon the strict wahabi values on them by Taliban.
The Turkish are the nicest of people and they have been always like that. But Westernization and secularisation of a nation is not the guarantee to its progress…the West will never accept them as their own.
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It is hard to do.
No doubt about that.
And yes, we should practice tolerance as a community. But as individuals we should be striving to improve our deen…not convince people that immodest attire should be acceptable. That’s a slippery slope…
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Bella wants everyone to be tolerant to her desires but she herself is not willing to be tolerant the and respectable to the culture and values of a community.
I find the OP’s questioning of the Pakistani or South Asian values and culture by comparing it to countries like Azerbaijan and Turkey who went through Westernization under oppressive conditions highly immature.
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Btw, I don’t wear headscarf so don’t see me as a person defending her personal position. Alright. Peace out.