Re: Liberal Muslim countries
seriously, bad time to score points.
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very reasonable question. Here is the answer.
Pick up a book and read. Once done.
Enlighten us.
Pakistan in essence is very balanced and healthy society, which was screwed by on dictator to make it too tight. And the next one came and screwed it over on turkey model.
No thank you!
As a result country went bezerk, and pushed back.
So when left alone its not a bad society. Where happy and healthy women make babies and raise families.
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Exactly. Goes both ways.
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ok
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Please stop. Thread may be locked to remove objectable and derogatory content. Let’s keep to our own opinion in a respectful manner and allow others to post theirs; a locked thread may no longer benefit others who want to share their points of view.
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^Yikes what an oversimplified view!
So, what are you so frustrated about, OP? The fact that you can’t wear a mini skirt in Pakistan without being gawked at? Or that your family won’t approve of you baring shoulders, legs and belly? Is that what you’re “missing out” on? Is baat pe mari jaa rahi ho? Seriously?
People get judged by their clothes all the frickin time. Not just by their clothes, but by their accessories, makeup as well. Yes, even in the West…tattoos and piercings are considered trashy…the hijab is considered oppressive even if worn out of choice…and I have heard phrases such as “hoochi mama” used for tight, revealing clothing. Why is it that even high schools in the liberal West implement a dress code in middle and high schools…where girls aren’t supposed to wear skirts under a certain length? Despite the fact that many schools don’t have a uniform, these measures are there for protection. It’s because the administration and even some parents (GASP…yes, Goray parents, too) realize that clothes send messages…they have an impact. Ever heard of the saying that “Clothes make the man”…? You are not only wrong, but naive in your argument that at the end of the day it’s just clothes and nothing more. If that were true…YOU wouldn’t put much thought into to what you wear for the work place and for other occasions and that in itself proves that there is judgment associated with clothes and physical appearance.
Why is it that tolerance and open-mindedness and being maadran must begin with the mass approval of nanga-pan for you? Why does it depend on the shedding of clothes for you? We need tolerance in other more profound societal issues. So, I gotta ask…how old are you? It doesn’t matter what the lifestyle in Turkey or Dubai or India or wherever is like. That doesn’t change the fairly unanimous teaching/principal in Islam that women are to cover their awrah. Speaking of India…take a look at the Bollywood item songs. It’s the tight n skimpy clothes that the raunchy lyrics address…not the abayas and modest apparel. Yet even in India, you have people who argue that such picturization …which includes both lyrics and clothing …send detrimental messages to society. Why am I giving you this example? It’s to show you that you that you are naive in thinking that clothes are just clothes at the end of the day. Clothes come with judgment regardless of location and they send messages. It ain’t as “trivial” as you believe it to be.
So those who follow this are following their deen and a higher authority. Those that don’t are aping Western trends…which ironically…as someone mentioned up above that at one point even in the west it was considered indecent to expose skin. So, it’s up to you. Where do your priorities lie? With aping trends or following a higher authority. And if you’re gonna bring the “don’t judge” argument…save it. We all judge irrespective of background. And the Quran and Sunnah provide a criterion for what is right n wrong…and criterion is a judgment. Everyone judges. So is your beef with judgment or is it with people adhering to their religion?
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As usual, people are confusing culture with religion.
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Please visit Muslim minority areas in India and try to dress the way you choose.
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I can’t respect phony people…it would be dishonest on my part. Just like you don’t sound respectful towards conservative people…I wouldn’t ask you to do something you can’t.
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Thank you kid.
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Not a problem kiddo. I’m glad to see such little kids are also on this forum. Good to see 
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I agree. I would hate it if you have to act like a normal, open minded human being for once kiddo.
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It would be dishonest on your part? NO. It would be phony on your part. It’s people like you who are phony and look for a reason to call other people phony for a pathetic reason…such as their hair color or what brand their bag is. Seriously, I feel sorry for people like you
I was pretty bored on a Sunday night, thanks for providing the entertainment kiddo.
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My hair color is mostly white
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This is basically the gist of it, well put! This is what I was trying to get my head around, that we are not scoring high on moral grounds as a nation, everyone has a lot to complain about, we admit we are not the epitome of goodness, the way we keep Islam so close to us, we should be amongst the most truthful nations. So why arn’t we because we are picking and choosing, like you said. We have become more rasmi musalmaan (muslim looking, not talking about the pillars) rather then internalizing the qualities that Islam requires of us to be a good human, leading to a great nation.
We complain of treachery, dishonest amongst us, double standards if I was asking about that majority of us doing that. Even businesses that opened here in the UK by apnay have so much ghapla and keep ur payment or delay it, so if you say look what the Quran says about not paying the labourer on time, they’ll look at you like you need help. Because that’s not where we have emphasized our values, rather we were required to wear head scarf at the tills/counters because it was a halal store (this is my friends experience, shes a sweet person but has decided not to work for apnay as a temp just because its so common that they will never pay u minimum amount and have a hostile environment, with guys gawking at you, common in such places). I digress.
These issues need to be dealt with, with the same conviction that libaas is dealt with, if they open the book let them read all of it and not pick and choose.
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It’s not about my approval but do the masses have a choice? What if some people want to wear skirts to knee-lenght can they do it without being harassed, stared at? I am not planning on wearing it, but it’s always nice to have an option. However, my main comparison was amongst other muslim countries and our practices. We don’t wear maadran clothes in female only parties either, but literally all parties I’ve been to or seen on facebook I am surprised to see the openess of other muslims. It’s just fascinating to see that they pray, are approachable (friendly) and enjoy life too. Our conservatism runs deep, that’s why most are so non-smily (generally unhappy) and judge others to vend their frustrations.
P.S take a trip to Istanbul, there are 3000 non judging mosques and when you’re out wear a nice flowy summer dress, take some pictures, eat kebap and still feel Muslim at the end of the day.
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Mosque selfies are a thing now? 
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disgusting.
by the way in my little time on earth I find the hijabians & burkha-clad ninjas more sex starved & morally worst then animals !
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Wow..
Is it because they ignore the wolf whistles? -_^
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lol…excellent display of tolerance by fascist liberals…admit it, you guys ain’t any better than Taliban.