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If the above statement was true, there will be no rape here in US. Besides consentual sex may not promote rape but it does not do anything to stop it either. How many times have you heard where the girl claims that she changed her mind and said no at the last second…where do you rank those? Do those cases fall in between i.e. consentual rape?
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Well it is quite disturbing. But you know bullying is an issue mostly common in school aged children. So this is surprising - but not shocking. Young teens (mostly confused and who come from disrupted families ) are known to get themselves into thick troubles.
Your concerns may be legitimate but here you are talking about a society where sex is considered normal healthy activity for young boys and girls. And being virgin beyond a certain age is considered embarassing mostly.
Code red, thats completely different. If they are willingly involved in physical relationships, thats fine. But come on they can do that at home. It should not be tolerated in schools. Kissing necking - whatever is their business- although I get annoyed with them licking each other in the halls. But sex- thats not for school. And rape - that should never happen in schools. Schools are for education. And I cant imagine how its possible for a kid to get raped at school, and nobody knows of it. It boggles my mind.
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If the above statement was true, there will be no rape here in US. Besides consentual sex may not promote rape but it does not do anything to stop it either. How many times have you heard where the girl claims that she changed her mind and said no at the last second...where do you rank those? Do those cases fall in between i.e. consentual rape?
A society that ALLOWS premarital CONSENTUAL sex is not a society that PROMOTES rape. Take note of the words in caps.
If my statement is true, then there could still be rape in the US. So your statement is actually wrong. If rape and consentual sex are two totally different topics, which they are, then allowing or not allowing consentual sex will have no effect on the rape stats. Rape stats will be high where you have high rape factors. Like for example a society where rape punishments are not executed well, where rapists are not caught and punished, where the female is blamed often and that makes many females hide the crime so the rapist knows he wont get punished, etc.
Oh wait, that description fits Pakistan. Whaddya know.
Cases in which the girl changes her mind and says no last minute are classifed as rape in America. If actual Islamic law were being implemented, which I think is what you're trying to get at, then both the guy and the girl would be punished. I think even then the guy would be considered a rapist. 1. She's not his wife, so she is not obligated to have sex with him. 2. He is still forcing her and hurting her - which Islamically is not permitted and that is classifed as rape.
However, whereas in America no blame would be placed on the female, in an Islamic scenario, she would be held blameable as a temptress.
However, this tidbit does not support your claim that a society that allows consentual sex actually PROMOTES rape. I think what you're saying is that by allowing consentual sex, the girl got herself in this position in the first place, and is basically asking for the rape. However, I think you're wrong there. Because there are many cases where the girl says no last minute and the guy does respect that and backs off. And such cases do happen in a society where consentual sex is allowed.
Note, I'm not condoning consentual premarital sex - I dont engage in it and don't plan on doing it. But its not related to rape. I'm amazed at how many people here confuse the two!
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Minah_pa ,, It's always a duanting task to have collective sumary on matters such as 'Child abuse' or crime againts women in general. We all agree that such crimes are not specific to a region, race or a country.
Your red flag might go up if you immediatly recognize an issue to your area of residence where as to others it might soud like a fairy tale. I think its far from it and such crimes do have their serious impplications to a society.
Help me here,, I wanted to give an example of an Uzbeck town/city where its alright to rape women it will or force a marriage onto. My info is not handy at this mom to give a source link. But I did lots of matrial on this news in the past.
To recognize an area of trouble and its causes
Ways and means to irradicate such a menace or its root cause
Educate and provide aids to such affectees & give them confidence that they are not alone in this fight.
NGO's efforts and networking are few others means that could be affective are the positive tools in our hands.
We can talk in zillion words with out converging on a single point. So its better that the thread header becomes a "Question in the spot light" while us the posters do recognize the issue and spill out our thoughts on its solution,, that how I see it,,, what you say?? sorry too many typso here,,:D
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I beleive the topic here is Kids raping kids And not general sexual abuse of women…
My point here is that, free consensual sex among kids is a far bigger problem/issue than kids raping kids, and society/govt. sees not harm in it.
Kids mostly engage in consensual sex … older people rape kids !
As according to statistcs
– 23% of all sexual offenders were under the age of 18 ( rest are older )
–In Wisconsin, the average age of a sexual assault victim was 15; the average age of a sexual assault offender was 25
–From one-half to two-thirds of teenage mothers were sexually molested prior to their first pregnancy; between 30% and 44% had been the victims of rape or attempted rape
–Teen males only father 29% of babies born to teen mothers. 71% are fathered by adult males over 20 years old. In 20% of the cases, the fathers are at least six years older than the mothers are
Now please note the bellow is * not * What I beleive but half of the teenager believe in US.
–48% of surveyed teens believed that if a girl says yes to sex and then changes her mind and the guy has sex with her anyway, it is not sexual assault.
http://www.wcasa.org/resources/factsheets/teen.html
Now the above stats show that
Most offenders (nearly 80%) are not teenager (kids Not raping kids but having mutually consensual sex)
Teenage pregnancies
Remember the following stats are not about forced sex, but perfectly normal teenage healthy sexual acitivities*
–** Most young people begin having sex in their mid-to-late teens, about 8 years before they marry; more than half of 17-year-olds have had intercourse.**
To make the point more clear, some further stats on teenage pregnancies shows that overwhelming (more than 90%) results from voluntary sex :eek:
– While 93% of teenage women report that their first intercourse was voluntary, one-quarter of these young women report that it was unwanted
So, Highschools provide perfect breeding ground for sex at very young age, most of which is voluntary and normal healthy sex among kids :halo: still there is an alarming number of teenage pregnancies resluting from these.
Society is very much concerned, and they advise CONTRACEPTIVE methods, but do not bar them from this healthy activity…
• 78% of teen pregnancies are unplanned, accounting for about 1/4 of all accidental pregnancies annually
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Code-Red: Open up another thread in which you can discuss the problem about kids having consentual sex. I agree with you, that its a social problem. But that's not the issue here.
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what do u expected form this kids to do , they see sex all the time around them , they grow up in a sexual enviorment, they don’t feel about i t they consider that as fun or chilling 
what do u expected when they don’t discuess anything else in high school/ college but just sex.
not only guys but also girls , i guess new generation can’t control on thier sexual desries :halo:
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insan: Rape is NOT a sexually-MOTIVATED act. Its a sexual act, but the motivation is actually an urge to conduct violence. To hurt someone.
Its quite different from wanting to be in a relationship or wanting to have an intimate moment with someone.
I can't believe desis dont understand this concept.
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Rape and sex are two different things… I wish people would understand that 
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We understand this " RAPE" concept, But this considering this 'free flowing sex among kids as “perfectly normal” and then taking rape as such a big issue is beyond our comprehension …
It is not my problem, Because I do not live there. We have our very own Pandora box of social evil… So we better stick to them 
Coming back to topic, there are some other aspects of this so kid-raping thing..
Hopefully my last post here
Law and judgment goes excessively in favor of girl (supposed victim)
There will be girls who had perfectly normal sex with boy while dating, but once they broke up the girl can blame him sexual assault or Date rape. ( *Ohh ! I changed my mind at the last moment/ I was not ready for it *:halo: )
I remember one episode of Beverly hills 90210 (early 90s, series about high school kids) where, they show that few activists come to school and ask girls to speak up if they have been “date raped” sometime in past. Then few girls who were not raped but were in relationship with guys, thought of taking the revenge from guys ( which they have broken up ) by insulting them publically in front of whole school just because of jealousy.
So If a girl wants to do this the law is very much in favor of her because she is the so-called victim
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insan, I dont think these little boys are raping their classmates because they got the image from some TV show. I think what we're seeing here is possibly an early tendency of evil wrong-doing. Just because they know what rape IS, does not mean that they'll automatically want to do it. In fact, these kids should have rape education along with sex education in the schools. If you're going to teach them what sex is, then also teach them that if a girl says "no", it means "no". And also to teach them that they cannot exercise their violent tendencies against any female.
By the way, these kids are not 5 year olds. They're small adolescents. They're already into initial stages of puberty, so whether or not sex is on the TV or in classroom education, they're going to know what sex is. Its a darn instinct.
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insan - RAPE is not SEX. period. PCG has said it over and over, I have said that over and over, why don't you understand?
Rape has to do with humiliation and power. Not sex.
Rape is an UNWILLING participant. Sex is a tool that rapists use, it is not what they want. In some cases, a rapist will not even have sex with a victim, but will use an object. Sex is not why they rape, it is domination and humiliation. What is more humiliating and demoralizing to a woman than to be forced to allow someone to use their body against their will?
It's that simple.
Code_red - A girl getting naked with a boy, kissing, hugging and then panicking and saying no is a stupid girl, but one who is raped if the boy just continues on without stopping. Since PCG explained a bit better what an Islamic sense of whose to blame, I now understand a bit more why it is so hard for some to understand.
Statistically, men don't have sex with animals, but you and I know some men have sex with animals. It's the same thing. Statistically kids don't rape, but there are kids that do. It is just a manifestation of bullying, a power play even from a kid.
Unfortunately the law has got to be in favor of the girls, because men don't particularly understand rape. The few that abuse this law are the few, the majority are genuinely raped. And also, if you believe the cops are gung-ho to help rape victims, even kids, think again. Most try to talk the victim out of their accusation and in the case of children being raped by children, they try their best to talk someone out of pressing charges. One of the tactics they use is - do you really want to ruin someone's life over a misunderstanding?
Also, TV shows like beverly Hills 90210 (c'mon, how insipid was that show already) don't dictate reality...
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why dont they just ask politely if they wanna have sex.....im sure the answer wont come no but YES! thats how i had sex 5 times....LOL!
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FrozenFire - a girl who will that easily give in to you will easily give in to many others, I would really get myself tested for STD's if I were you even if you were wearing a condom. Most of the time men don't even know they are carrying anything.
Personally, I think that is sad and a prime example of some of the hypocrisy of the people on this board. From what you have written in religion I would have thought you were a serious kid.
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Interesting,
Rape has as many things to do with Sex as it has to do with action(violent) movies. If some one has watched porn and then he watches a violent movie, he will definitely rape some one that day if he gets chance. Otherwise porn in most cases minimizes the chances of having rape. When you will come up to one chance, you will realize that you already have satisfied your desires just after watching the porn.
Thus, Porn has nothing to do with Rape. Porn minimizes such chances in most cases.
Now, when most boys are at high desires and they get some chance of having sex, they will go for it. Sometimes it might be by legal ways. Sometimes they might accidentally find some lone girl and can easily develop a feeling that she has such desire too. This leads to rape.
In some cases girls are interested in some boys, but can't express themselves easily. They try on meeting, talking,.... For most of the boys, when they find some girl interested in them, they just take it as an opportunity of having sex. Such boys either make their fantasies to enjoy all the time or they start planning actual sex (either by will or by rape). Here action (violent) movies play their role too.
In kids, the rape cases take place every where on this planet. Such cases are not known mostly at the time, as kids feel scared or ashamed for it. There are many things that can minimize such instances but life is so busy that they will never work. So since most of the parents will never have enough time to keep check on their kids.
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Umer - that is ridiculous. The dynamics of a rape are not the same as sex. Sex is two people mutually enjoying something. Both want it to happen, both help it happen, and both do what they can to help make it enjoyable. Rape is one person enjoying the humiliation and demoralization of the other person and the other person does NOT enjoy it. Rape is looking at a woman as an object of degradation instead of a person.
Rape is not the same as sex.
Porn has nothing to do with rape. Nothing. Porn has everything to do with sex, I agree, but NOTHING to do with rape. Maybe porn reinforces that sex with multiple partners is allowable and maybe it objectifies women, but rape? No. See the dynamics above.
Boys must control themselves. Girls have sex drives like guys and they can do it. I have said over and over that unless you wish everyone to believe that a man has less control and morals than a woman, a man can control himself. So can a boy.
Planning sex by rape is a power play not a bid for sex. Violent movies DO NOT contribute to rape. There is something inside a rapist that reacts to violence, yes, and they may watch more violent movies because of the tendencies they have, but the movies contributing to rape? Give me a break. Again, see dynamics above.
Unfortunately many men and, surprisingly women, think as you do thereby minimalizing the man's role in a rape, blaming women, society, porn, and movies rather than a man who forcibly and with violence tears a womens' clothes, usually hits/beats her, and has sex with her against her will throughout crying, pleas, and fighting back. Blaming anything but the man is a cop-out and should make men who can control themselves angrier about this rather than scratching their heads and saying well, it couldn't have been him, it was _____.
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depends on the type of porn.
There is porn out there that de-humanizes a female and abusive behavior towards a female is part of the sex.
Beatings, whips, etc.
In some porn, violence is part of the sex.
I can imagine that it could be the source of some "ideas" that rapists have. Although not sure. The psychology of a rapist is heavily characterized by a desire to "dominate".