Kia Hamai'n Zalemeen, Kazebeen or Munafeqeen Par Lanat Bhaijni Chahiay?

Society Religion & Philosophy
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MaiN nay jin sahaba ka naam liya hay un kay baray maiN batayaiN.. yeh tu mujhay bhi pata hay kay Shia Jin ko Sahabi samjhtay haiN un key buhat respect kertay haiN ( i cannot disagree on this) but yeh alag baat hay kay buhat soo ko yeh log sahabi hi nahi samjthay... So Shia Mazkora Sahaba (RZA kay baray maiN kya raye rakhtay haiN...

jahaaN tak maiN nay kaha kay ref mojood haiN yeh ref. Quran maiN mojood haiN and like i said iam not hafiz... so agr app meray sawal ka saaf jawab daiN gay tu yeh discussion agay barhay gee... tu ref. bhi muhiya ker diya jayain gay.. per app hain kay wohi murghi key eak tang ( again typical shia behaviour)..

Bhai app yes/no keh dain tu baat hi khatam ho jaye.. app tu kahaniyaaN hi shoroo ker daytay haiN...

ab app nay naya dafter khool liya... agr Sahaba key ahmiyat kay hawalay say app key baat maan lee jaye tu Ahadees aur Sunnat tu waisay hi khatam ho jatay haiN.. ( yahaan per khatan ho janay say murad kay un key bhi ahmiyat nahi rehtee.. kyoN kay woh aisay logooN say ho ker puhanchi hay jin key na tu koy credibility hay aur nahi respect... and logically speaking koy b Mo'alim hamesha apnay shagirdooN say pehchana jata hay...

ChalaiN shabash jaldi say batayaiN kay shia Mazkora Sahaba (RZA) ko Sahabi samjhtay haiN kay nahi??? ya un kay baray maiN koy aur raye rakhtay haiN???

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**agar Allah o Rasool s.a.w.a.w., or quran kay sath mil kar aap bhi zalemeen, munafeqeen or kazebeen say baizar rahai'n gay to bhala aap khud kis tarah in mai'n shumar ho saktay hai'n?

agar in say baizari naa ho to mumkin hay keh hamara shumar bhi in mai'n hi ho jaay.

doosray yeh keh bay shakkk ham mai'n say koi bhi ghalati say mubarra nahee'n magar kia quran paak kay usloob ko apnanay say saaf inkar or un say mohabbat ka izhar jin say quran or Allah-o-Rasool s.a.w.a.w., baizar ho'n, ziada bari ghalati nahee'n?

or waisay bhi zahir hay keh jab hamaray dilo'n mai'n zalemeen-o-munafeqeen-o-kazebeen kay liay baizari ka maadah ho ga to yaqeenan ham khud bhi zulm, munafiqat or kazb kay raasto'n say bach'tay rahai'n gay..... or aakhirat mai'n zalemeen, munafeqeen or kazebeen mai'n shumar honay say bhi bach sakai'n gay....**

*hairat hay keh jab quran misal paish kar raha ho keh Allah "Ahl-e-Eeman" mai'n shumar karta hay un ko jo baizar rehtay ho'n un say jin say Allah o Rasool s.a.w.a.w., baizar hai'n to phir aaj ka musalman kis bunyad par zalemeen, munafeqeen or kazebeen say baizari ko tark kar kay apnay aap ko "Ahl-e-Eeman" mai'n shumar kar raha hay?
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fidvi ka dia hooa sabqa jawab jo keh is hi sawal par paish kia gaya.

**ham Shian-e-Haider-e-Karrar a.s., (asna ashari) kay nazdeek hazrat abubakar, hazrat umar, hazrat usman, hazrat khalid bin waleed, hazrat aysha waghair'ham ka bilkul wohi moqam hay jo ahl-e-sunnah wal jamaat kay nazdeek Hazoor s.a.w.a.w., kay walidain or Chacha Hazrat Abu Talib a.s., ka hay.

jab keh yeh baat jaan'nay kay liay aap ko kisi say kuch bhi poochnay ki zaroorat nahee'n honi chahiay keh ahl-e-sunnah wal jamaat Aap s.a.w.a.w., kay walidain or chacha Hazrat Abu Talib a.s., ko (naoozobillah) jahannumi qarar daiti hay.

fidvi nay aap ko jawab dia keh ham shia un logo'n ko bilkul us hi moqam par samajhtay hai'n jis moqam par Ahl-e-sunnat wal jamat Hazoor s.a.w.a.w., kay walidain or chacha Hazrat Abu Talib a.s., ko samajhti hay.

yani ham un ko jahannumi hi samajhtay hai'n.

mazeed yeh keh ham shiaan-e-Haider-e-Karrar a.s., kay eeman kay mutabiq koi "ahl-e-eeman" ya koi sahabi jahannum mai'n dakhil nahee'n ho sakta.

or fidvi kay iss bayan par ab aap chahai'n to "kufr ka fatwa" jari kar saktay hai'n magar iss qisam kay fatway kay istamal say pehlay iss baat ko sabit karna aap kay zimmay hay keh sahabah par eeman "musallemaat-e-deen" yaani "zarooriat-e-deen" ya "wajibat-e-deen" mai'n say hay....

** Kia Hamai'n Zalemeen, Kazebeen or Munafeqeen Par Lanat Bhaijni Chahiay?

yess / no ??????

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Ayee dekhtay haiN kay yeh yahaaN nadeem ziadi kay dawa kay unhooN nay do martaba jawab diya hay Mazkora sahaba kay baray maiN..

Pehla jawab yeh tha, although maiN nay inhay yes/no key option dee thee per like all shia, inhooN nay baat kaheeN say kaheeN puhancha dee...mulahiza ho in ka post kerda reply....

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1) ham Shian-e-Haider-e-Karrar a.s., (asna ashari) kay nazdeek hazrat abubakar, hazrat umar, hazrat usman, hazrat khalid bin waleed, hazrat aysha waghair'ham ka bilkul wohi moqam hay jo ahl-e-sunnah wal jamaat kay nazdeek Hazoor s.a.w.a.w., kay walidain or Chacha Hazrat Abu Talib a.s., ka hay.
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ab in key dosri posts mulahiza hooN

Post # 33, 34 maiN iss baray maiN siray ko baat key hi nahi gayee

Post # 35 maiN hazrat farmatay haiN

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agar woh sahabah kay darjay par hotee'n to aap log Mohammad-o-Aal-e-Mohammad a.s., par darood bhaijtay hooay jab "na haq" kuch logo'n ko darood mai'n shamil kartay hai'n to "wa as'haabehee" kay baad "wa azwajehee" kehnay ki aap ko zaroorat paish naa aati.waisay sorry to say keh aap ka yeh sawal kuch bay waqoofana qisam ka hay. aap ka deen un ko azwaj-e-mutahraat mai'n shumar karta hay, sahabah main to un ka shumar ho hi nahee'n sakta.
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Yahaan per Sirf Hazrat Ayesha (RZA) kay baray maiN baat key gayee, woh bhi gol mol andaaz maiN and end maiN yeh farmaya mr. nadeem ziadi nay

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baqi Insha Allah baad mai'n daikhtay hai'n keh sahabi kon, munafiq kon?
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ab in kay above farmodaat key roshni maiN eak baat tu wazaah kay kay post #35 tak inhooN nay koy wazah jawab nahi diya

ab iss per mosoof ka kehna kay do dafa jawab day chukay haiN... inhay kya sabit kerta hay yeh yehi janaiN...

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App unhay Sahabi Samjhtay haiN yes / no?

eak simple yes or no likhnay key tu jurat hay nahi app maiN ya app nay ham mazhabooN maiN... pata nahi kyoN???

-HUMSAFAR-
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kia poori ahl-e-sunnat wal jamat kay paas fidvi ki paish kardah guzarishat (jin ko Quran ki taa'id bhi hasil hay) ka koi ilmi jawab hay?

ya sirf "hanibal" jaisay logo'n kay hi groh ka naam "ahl-e-sunnat wal jamat" hay jo kisi ko uss kay sawal ka jawab dainay ki to "ahlyat" hi na rakhtay ho'n magar kisi bhi jagah ghair muta'liqah sawalat kay jawabat kay liay pur josh or bazid rahai'n.

ahl-e-sunnah wal jamat ko agar kisi zalim, kazib ya munafiq par lanat bhaijnay say ikhtalaf ya inkar hay to woh fidvi kay paish kardah hawalah jaat ka koi ilmi ya mantaqi jawab day.

or agar jawab dainay ki bajaay ahl-e-sunnat wal jamat kay paas mehez ghair muta'liq bato'n par shor sharaba karna hi behtareen harbah hay to fil waqt ham shio'n kay paas aisay kisi harbay ka koi elaj nahee'n hay.

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yes/no???

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lanat-ullah-e-alal qomizzalemeen.

lanat-ullah-e-alal kazebeen.

lanat-ullah-e-alal munafeqeen.....

bay shumar...

agar muslim hai'n to inn 3 qisam kay laeeno'n say baizari ikhtayar karai'n, kioo'n keh in say Allah bhi baizar hay or yeh ho nahee'n sakta keh jis say Allah baizar ho uss say Allah ka Rasool s.a.w.a.w., baizar na ho....

Ab jo chahay woh bay shakk zalimo'n or munafiqo'n kay dilo'n ka haal jaan'ta phiray or jo chahay woh quran kay dars ko nazar andaz kar kay zalimo'n or munafiqo'n say mohabbat ko apnay dilo'n mai'n paal'ta rahay....

or jo chahay keh woh bhi Allah, Rasool s.a.w.a.w., or Quran paak kay usloob ko apna kar zalemeen-o-munafeqeen say baizari ka izhar karay to woh aik martabah mairay sath shamil ho kar iss kaynaat kay tamam zalemeen-o-munafeqeen par bay shumar lanat bhaij day........ (maira eeman hay keh har kisi ko "hissah" ba qadar "jussah" pooray insaf kay sath yaqeenan mil jaay ga).

Note: Statement of Muslims: Hamara Quran par poora eeman hay.

*do you believe in Quran or this is just your statement? *

agar sirf "statement" nahee'n hay yaani aap ka quran par poora eeman bhi hay or aap aisi halat mai'n bhi fidvi kay sath zalemeen-o-munafeqeen par lanat bhaijnay mai'n shamil nahee'n to phir quran kay hi kisi hawalay say fidvi ko zalemeen-o-munafeqeen-o-kazebeen say baizari ikhtyar naa karnay ka dars ya hukam dikhlaa dai'n. Fidvi ki rah numaa'e farma dijiay keh deeni nuqta nazar say bhi kisi bhatkay hooay ko raastah dikhlana yaqeenan baais-e-barkat-o-sawab hay. or yaqeenan Allah aap ko is ka ajar bhi (insha Allah) zaroor day ga.

lanat bar zalemeen-o-munafeqeen, bay shumar....

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dear hanibal....

if you can participate within subject then you are most well come otherwise you are jsut ignored here at my end.....

take care...

Numbering on the uniform.
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*lanat bar zalemeen-o-munafeqeen, *

bay shumaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

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I was thinking same about u.. infact my last reply had already conveyed that message..... and like i said.. the Shia religion is just mix of historical bluffing of certian person... in result fails to answer any single question.

Iam ignored by al shias, u r not the first one

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lanat bar zalemeen-o-munafeqeen-o-kazebeen

bay shumarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

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chhaddd daqya noos di shahi koo'n, toheed Allah bach'wa gaay
daqya noos ki shahi ko chor kar Allah ki toheed ko bachwa gaay

hik kutta haa unhaa'n bandyaa'n wich, jeehnda zikar quran ich aa gaay
un logo'n mai'n aik kutta tha jis ka zikar quran mai'n aa gaya.

oohndi aadat haee bass naee'n bhonka, oh sai'n apna bach'wa gaay
uss ki to aadat thi magar woh nahee'n bhonka, woh apnay saayo'n ko bachwa gaya.

kar lanat oss insan uttay, jaitho'n kutta bazi chaa gaay.
uss insan par lanat bhaijo, jiss say kutta bazi jeet gaya.

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Bhai NadeemZaidi

Iss liye to mein ne ye seval aap se poocha hai. Ke, agar hum apne aap ko kazebeen, munafiqeen aur zalimeen mein se samajlen to phir hi hum un cheezon se baaz aa sakte hein. Lekin agar hum ankhen band ker ke ye ghalattee se maanjaein ke hum un "characteristics" se mahfooz hein phir hee wo burraien humare andar aane ka kharta banta hai. Is waja se humen samajna chaihya hai ke Allah ki 'laanat' zarror un logon par hai, lekin saat saat us laanat se bachne ke liye humme aise "treat" karna chahiye hai ke wo ayaten dusre tesre chakhs ke liye nahien balke apne liye nazil kiye gaie hein.

Agar aap hadith mein dekhen beshamaar sahaabi hein jo dharte the ke shaid un mein munafiqon ki nishaashien to nae aa gai ... is dhar ne unne bhachaaliya hai. Jo shakhs kabhi apne aap se nahein poochta ke uss mein koi burraein to nahien ... usshi shakhs mein wo ghalat "characteristics" bantee hein.

Is waja se hume koi ijazat nahien ke hum doosron ko laanat bhejen ... aur is cheez ke ilawa hum kabhi kache pake musulmanon ko "effective" nasiyat nahien de sakte ... wo kabhi bhi humaree baat nahien manen ge kyon ke hum onki izzat par thappar maar rehe hon ge aur wo humme apne aap mein "charre howe" samaj len ge.

Aap zarroor "tazkiyah" ke baare mein parren ... InshaAllah it will be enlightening. Apologise for my tutee phutee urdu.

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yaani keh musalman, Allah, Rasool s.a.w.a.w., or quran ka usloob apnanay say inkari hai'n ......

yehee to janaab ham kehtay hai'n. :)

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iss liay hi to kehta hoo'n keh aap bhi lanat bhaijai'n zalimo'n, munafiqo'n or kazibo'n par....

sirf aankhai'n band kar kay yeh mat sochai'n keh aap un "characteristics" say mehfooz hai'n or jo zalim, munafiq ya kazib hai'n Allah un ko khud pooch lay ga.

jis jis ko bhi Allah nay poochna hay uss uss say hamdardi kia matlab?

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*zalimo'n, munafiqo'n or kazibo'n ki vikalat kay liay insan kay apnay andar bhi zulm, munafiqat ya jhoot ki ramaq ka hona zaroori hay. or koi lanat bhaijay ya naa bhaijay aisay logo'n par Allah ki lanat ka gawah khud quran hay. *

*or yehee wajah hay keh "lanat kay inkari" logo'n ko bhi maloom hay keh "lanat" bhaijni shuru kar di to phir "lanat" un kay hi aas paas aik doosray ko "un ki izzat par thapparo'n" ki shakal mai'n taqseem hoti rahay gi. *

or shaed iss liay hi woh lanat bhaijnay say inkari bhi rehtay hai'n.

Allah o Akbar.

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Bhai NadeemZaidi

Aap ki baat bilkul ghalat hai … pehle to aapne koi “context” nahien pesh kiya nahi koi “reference”. Aur in cheezon ke ilawa mein ne kab zalimon, ya munafikon ya kaazibon ki vikalat ki hai? Meine to sirf apni vikalat ki hai! Aur agar mein dharta hoon ke shaid mein khud un logon mein se hoon, mein kyon apne upar laanat bhejoon?

Baat humaree do(2) tarf se ho rahee hai. Qur’an mein jo likha howa hai wo “general” baat hai aur humme us baat ko le kar us par ghor karna chahye hai. Doosree baat aap ki hai, ke hum wo “general definition” le kar kya hum “specific” logon ke taraf penkh sakte hein ya nahein. Sahi jawab hai ke hum nahein kar sakte. Wajjat already explain hoee hein.

Allah sahi jaanta hai ke logon ke dil mein kya hai, mein nahein, nahee aap. Ek aur wajja hum nahein lanat bejh sakte.

Bas bhai yaad rakhen kissee aur ke moon par thappar marte marte apne moon par na lag jae!

Now please read this from the Bible:

http://www.bartleby.com/59/1/lethimwhoisw.html
According to the Gospel of John, the Pharisees, in an attempt to discredit Jesus, brought a woman charged with adultery before him. Then they reminded Jesus that adultery was punishable by stoning under Mosaic law and challenged him to judge the woman so that they might then accuse him of disobeying the law. Jesus thought for a moment and then replied, “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.” The people crowded around him were so touched by their own consciences that they departed. When Jesus found himself alone with the woman, he asked her who were her accusers. She replied, “No man, lord.” Jesus then said, “Neither do I condemn thee: go and sin no more.”

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iss baat par mujhay hansna chahiay keh rona? mairi samajh say baala tar hay....

to chor do na woh kaam......
*jin say Allah or Uss ka Rasool s.a.w.a.w., or Quran baizar hai'n *

or chor do unn logo'n ko bhi.....
jin par aisi beemaryo'n ka it'laaq hota ho keh quran mai'n un kay liay Allah ki lanatai'n hi reh jae'n.....

aap agar zalim, jhootay ya munafiq hai'n to yaqeenan Allah ki lanat mai'n aap bhi hissah dar hai'n.....

aap apna yaa kisi ka chehrah daikh kar Allah ki lanat ko Quran kay saf'haat say khurach nahee'n saktay....