Kia Hamai'n Zalemeen, Kazebeen or Munafeqeen Par Lanat Bhaijni Chahiay?

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sub say pehli baat to yeh keh iss aayah mubarikah mai'n Allah paak nay "misal" ka lafz istamal kia hay ahl-e-eeman kay baray mai'n takeh tum bhi "ahl-e-eeman" ki zalemeen say baizari ko daikh kar apnaa sako...

doosri baat yeh keh iss aayah mubarikah kay mutabiq ahl-e-eeman hay hi woh jo zalimo'n say baizari ka izhar karay.

teesri baat jo iss aayah mubarika ki roshni mai'n bilkul wazeh hay woh yeh hay keh "ahl-e-eeman" or "zalim", 2 alag alag cheezai'n hai'n. ya yehee baat iss tarah keh lai'n keh koi bhi "ahl-e-eeman" "zulm" ka raastah apnaa kar kisi waqt bhi "ahl-e-eeman" say kharij ho sakta hay or "ahl-e-eeman" ki baizari ka nishana banta hay na keh mohabbat ka.

ab farmaiyay keh fidvi kis tarah quran paak ki iss ayat-e-mubarikah ki mojood'gi kay bawajood aap ki paish kardah "khilaf-e-quran" kisi baat ko tasleem kar sakta hay?

zalimo'n say baizari baqol quran "ahl-e-eeman" ka kaam hay to bhala aap kay kehnay say mai'n kis tarah yeh maan loo'n keh "ahl-e-eeman" ka kaam kisi say baizari nahee'n hay?

kia aap iss ayat ki tan'seekh paish kar chukay hai'n?

mazeed idhar udhar waqt zaaya karnay say behtar hay keh aap sirf iss ayah mubarikah kay hawalay say fidvi ko koi tasalli bakhsh jawab marehmat farmaa dai'n to shaaed aap ko bhi kisi bhat'kay hooay ko raastah dikhlanay par sawab-e-jaaryah mil jaay.

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Bhai NadeemZaidi

Mujhe nahein patta ke aap meri baat kyon nahein samaj paare. Wo ayat jo aapne pesh kiye hai naahie hukm hai ke hum logon par laanat bhejen naahee saboot ke humare dilon mein un logon ke liye koi rahm ya "sabr" nahein ho ne chahiye. Wo misal moi'minon ke liye hai ke hum koshish karen ke hum alag ho jaen un zalimon se, wo jo sare aam zalim hein, jey se key firaun aur us ki kaum, jo sare aam shirk karte hein. Firaun ki bivi un par laanat to nahien behj raheen balke pana mang rahee haein ke un logon mein se na hon. Wo firaun ki bivi thien. Isse taran humme cheye hai ke hum bhi issi tarah ki du'a mangen apne hifazat ke liye "not for the destruction of others, but for the saving of ourselves"

Meree baat Khilaf-e-Quran nahein balke khilaf-e-NadeemZaidi ki samaj se.

Zalimon se baizari izhar karna ya na karna meri baat nahien hein. Yaqeenan apne rabb ke samne humare dillon mein zaroor baizari ho na chaiye hai lekin sirf un logon ke saat jo sare aam zulm kar rahe hein aur (in general) "zulm" se. Aur kistara baizari izhar karna bhi is baat mein koi "evidence" nahein apne hifaz ki du'a ke ilawa. Yanae laanat nahein un logon par behji jaari.

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aray yeh aap say kis nay keh dia keh iss ayat mai'n aap kay liay koi hukam hay keh aap kisi say baizari ikhtyar karai'n?

*iss ayat-e-mubarikah mai'n to misaal paish ki hay Allah Paak nay "Ahl-e-Eeman" ki. or jo "ahl-e-eeman" mai'n shumar hona chahay sirf uss kay liay hay yeh misal..... *

psyah aap kay liay iss ayat mai'n waqa'ee koi hukam ya misaal mojood nahee'n.

jahaa'n tak baat hay saboot ya "evidence" ki to mohtarim yeh bhi ham bakhoobi jaan'tay hai'n keh ahl-e-sunnah wal jamaat kay saaray saboot yaa to sirf zubani kalami (bato'n bato'n mai'n) hotay hai'n ya phir 256 hijri or uss kay baad ki "khud saakhtah" "sahi" kitabo'n mai'n, quran mai'n nahee'n.

or ayaat-e-quran ki nisbat quran say mutasadam rawayat ziada qabil-e-ait'baar ho'n to is ka kia elaj?

lanat, baizari, bara'at aik hi cheez kay mukhtalif naam hai'n .

lanat bar zalemeeen, bay shumar.

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Salam Alikum Brother.

I had discussed these matter many times on this forum with senior members as well, I gave up to discuss these matters. It is becuase some people do want to see, hear and feel the truth , via Quran or other scripturs. becuase they have been taught in childhood, not to discuss these matters . ALLAH RAHAM KARE HAM SAB PER.. OR ALLAH INKO RAHE RAST PER PAY AYE.
AMEEN.

I have qout QURANIC VERSE in my first post.. but still some people says, there is nothing in QURAN about (BEZARI or LANNAT) to be on ZALAMEEN.

Take care brother, ALLAH WILL REWARD YOU IF ANY ONE IS GUIDED.

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Alaikassalam, wr, wb.

g bilkul durust farmaya aap nay. asal mai'n musalmano'n ka bunyadi problem hi yeh hay keh inhai'n "childhood" mai'n hi mukammal deen ghar mai'n baithay baithay hi day dia jaata hay or sath hi yeh hadd bhi muqarrar kar di jati hay keh ab tum nay deen kay moaamlaat ko kisi say bhi discuss nahee'n karna. jo kuch tumhai'n day dia gaya woh "kafi" hay.

or phir hairat uss waqt or barh jaati hay jab "discuss say inkari" musalmano'n kay apnay eeman ki batai'n quran kay ahkamat say mukhtalif nikalti hai'n.

Lanat ka tazkirah Quran mai'n mojood hay.

Allah khud bhi lanat bhaijta hay iss baat ka bhi quran khud hi gawah hay.

Allah zalimo'n say baizar rehnay wali Firon ki bivi ko us ki iss baizari ki wajah say "ahl-e-eeman" mai'n shamil karta hay ya aisay keh lai'n keh "ahl-e-eeman" ki aik nishani jo quran hamai'n batata hay woh zalimo'n say baizari bhi hay or iss baat par bhi quran khud hi gawah bhi hay.

ab agar koi yeh kahay keh quran mai'n LANAT/BAIZARI/BARAAT ka tazkirah nahee'n hay to is ka kia elaj?

quran paak say hasil honay walay sawabo'n mai'n say sub say kam darjay ka sawab hay Quran paak ki tilawat karna or musalmano'n kay ulama nay unn ko sirf tilawat tak hi rakha hooa hay or yehee wajah hay keh bay charay musalman nahee'n jaantay keh quran mai'n kahaa'n kia likha hay.

*jab musalman tilawat say aagay barhai'n gay to unn ko Quran paak mai'n likha hooa milay ga keh *

jhooto'n par Allah ki lanat.

zalim qomo'n par Allah ki lanat.

or ham to yeh kahai'n gay keh jo lanat kay haqdaro'n ko lanat say mehroom rakhnay ki koshish karay uss par bhi Allah ki lanat ho bay shumar.

LANAT BAR ZALEMEEN, KAZEBEEN, MUNAFEQEEN, BAY SHUMAR.....

~**~ Tussi Baray ----- Ho ~~~~ ~**~
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^ i think psyah has a valid point. No doubt there were folks who treated the ahl ul bayt with vileness throughout thier lives, but you have two ways of taking this. You can either send lanat, be abusive and disrespectful, or you can deal with how bibi Fatima (as) dealt with it.

After fadak was stolen from her, she was extremely upset and gave a public speech criticising those who did so. The one person who had every right to send lanat that day, refrained from doing so. Infact she (as) remained patient throughout her whole ordeal, and ultimately left it to Allah (swt) to judge between her and them on judgement day.

Read the excerpt from her (as) speech.

''For, Allah witnesses what you do, and soon will the unjust
assailants know what vicissitudes their affairs will take !! And I am
the daughter of a Warner (the Prophet p.b.u.h.) to you against a
severe punishment. So, act and so will we, and wait, and we shall
wait.''

''...Thus, He (Glory be to Him) made clear that which He made share of all
heirs, decreed from the amounts of inheritance, allowed for males and
females, and eradicated all doubts and ambiguities (pertaining to this
issue which existed with the) by gones.

Nay! But your minds have made up a tale (that may pass) with you, but
(for me) patience is most fitting against that which ye assert; it is
Allah (alone) whose help can be sought.''

i believe that is the very stance we should actually be taking.

Mahira Khan's dress in HUM's Humsafar special.
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**Dear Brother,

aap ko kaisay laga keh mai'n nay fidak ko ghasab karnay walay par lanat bhaiji hay?

hairat uss waqt hoti hay keh jab ham Quran ki aayat ko aam zindagi mai'n dohratay hai'n or uss kay usloob ko apnatay hooay zalimo'n or munafiqo'n par lanat bhaijtay hai'n to kuch logo'n ko aisa kioo'n lagta hay keh ham zalim or munafiq "fulaa'n fulaa'n" ko keh rahay hai'n?

aray bhai jis nay bhi baad az eeman kufr ka raastah apnaya or us hi kufr par mara woh yaqeenan shikar hooa Allah ki, Farishto'n ki or Insano'n ki (sub ki) Lanat ka...... or woh hamaisha iss lanat mai'n giraftar bhi rahai'n gay......

or yehee Allah ka faisla bhi hay.

daikhiay hawalah.....

soorah baqara: ayaat 161, 162.

Agar lanat sirf min janib Allah hi hoti to Allah paak in ayaat mai'n Insano'n ki lanat ka tazkira yaqeenan naa karta......

ghor keejiay or lanat bhaijiay har zalim par......

agar koi mujh par zulm karay to mai'n uss ko maaf karta hoo'n magar jis jis nay bhi Ahl-e-bait a.s., par zulm kia uss lanti ko mai'n lanat say bachanay wala kon?

bulkeh yehee kahoo'n ga keh Ahl-e-Bait a.s., par zulm karnay walay or un say munafiqat karnay walay kisi bhi lanati ko lanat say bachanay walay par bhi Allah ki, Farishto'n ki or Insano'n ki, Sub ki Lanat...... BAY SHUMAR.

KIA AAP KISI LANATI KO LANAT SAY BACHANAY KI KOSHISHO'N MAI'N TO MASROOF NAHEE'N?

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How abt we say,

Zalmemeen Kazebeen or Munafeqeen per Khuda ki Lanat !

And i dunt get this logic, Y didnt ALLAH tell us to do lanat ?? did ALLAH stop us from doing it ?

I mean Y didnt ALLAH mention in the Quranwho will be first caliph After Prophet s.a.w in simple words

U guys r lookin for spoon feeding here, if every thing is given then what wud ur beliefs be tested on !

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**INNAL LAZI NA KAFAROO
bay shak woh log jinho'n nay kufr kia

WAMA TOO WA'HUM KUFFARUNN
or mar ga'ay kafir hi

OOLAA-E-KA ALAI HIM
yehee log hai'n keh hay in par

LANAT-ULLAH-E-WAL MALAA-E-KATE WANNAS-E-AJMA'EEN.
lanat Allah ki or Farishto'n ki or insano'n ki, sub ki.

KHALEDEENA FEEHAA
hamaisha rahai'n gay yeh lanat mai'n

LAA YO'KHAFFAFO AN HOMUL AZABO
na halka kia jaay ga un ka azaab

WALA HUM YUNZAROON.
or na unhai'n mohlat milay gi.**

SOORAH BAQARA: AYAAT 161 & 162.

*Allah paak nay kufr ka raasta ikhtiar karnay walo'n par apni, farishto'n ki or insano'n ki lanat ka tazkirah kia hay or un par honay wala azaab ka zikr bhi kia hay or bataya hay keh woh azab halka bhi naa kia jaay ga or kufr ka raastah ikhtiar karnay walo'n ko mohlat bhi naa di jaay gi.
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*lanat bhaijnay walay insano'n kay baray mai'n kisi azaab ka tazkirah quran mai'n kahaa'n hay keh jis ki bunyad par lanat bhaijnay say ummat-e-muslimah ko roka jaa raha hay?
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**or jaisa keh Quran pak ki in ayaat mai'n zikr hay keh Allah ki, Farishto'n ki or insano'n ki is lanat mai'n kufr ka raastah ikhtiar karnay walay hamaisha rahai'n gay, to iss say yeh baat sabit hay keh un par lanat bhaijna jinho'n nay kufr ka raastah ikhtiar kia, insano'n kay liay bilkul haq or durust raastah hay.

agar kisi kay paas lanat na bhaijnay kay haq mai'n Quran ka koi hawala ya koi daleel hay to woh zaroor paish karay. sirf mulla g kay irshadat ko quran ki ayaat par foqiat daina yaqeenan zulm hi hay.

LANAT BAR ZALEMEEN-O-MUNAFEQEEN, BAY SHUMAR.
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Yaar Nadeem bahi, mainey app ko mana kab kia.. bhejo jis tarah tawala ibadat hai isi tarah meray nazdeeq tabara bhi Ibadat hai.

Waisey app ho kahan sey ?

Wasalam
Aqeel

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Assalam-o-Alaikum wr, wb.

Aaj kaafi arsay kay baad forum ko join kia hay lehaza is ghair haziri par maazrat khoaah hoo'n.

Aqeel brother mai'n lahore ka rehnay wala hoo'n, agar kuch or poochna chahai'n to banda hazir hay.....

wassalam......

wooaaaahhhhhh ... !!!!