Oh trust me, we don't give a dash about what IK and his blind supporters say about PMLN supporters or Punjabis. Keema naan khane wale etc. Lol. We Punjabis are very big hearted to give a damn about a lunatic.
I do agree with liveliness of Punjabis and consider it a positive trait. Other communities and groups also display same traits, when it is done under normal circumstances.
Having said that the situation in Karachi got a background. The establishment of MQM as an ethnic party during 1980s have a history behind it. This ethnic group had to go through incidents like 'Qasba AligarH massacre' and 'Pakka qilla' where involvement of other ethnic groups can't be denied. So definitely, some parties in Karachi do campaign on ethnic lines. But white washing whole city as racist, based on hopelessness which is more due to wrong strategy of new players (Juma Juma aath din aae huwe immature log), is simply unjustified.
Its the same city which voted for PTI, PMLN, PPP, JI, ANP and Independents. How come they get votes, if only ' Jag Muhajir Jag' slogan works in Karachi? Its also wrong notion that only Sindhis of Karachi vote for PPP and all Muhajir votes go to MQM.
As far as Local bodies election are concerned, MQM is the best option for Karachi as they have been tried and tested in past.
Punjab with 36 Districts where PTI wasted 2.5 years for all their campaigns & attacks the result is not a single Mayor in any out of 36 Districts. PTI came at 3rd no in all 36 Districts.In Lahore the so called power-house of PTI & Imran Khan, result is out of 274 Union Council, PMLN 234 while PTI won only 12
Punjab with 36 Districts where PTI wasted 2.5 years for all their campaigns & attacks the result is not a single Mayor in any out of 36 Districts. PTI came at 3rd no in all 36 Districts.In Lahore the so called power-house of PTI & Imran Khan, result is out of 274 Union Council, PMLN 234 while PTI won only 12
PTI lost and did not put much efforts in LB polls as they think that local bodies system is not useful this time with lesser and insignificant powers delegated to mayors. ki faida. main nai khelna :)
Absolutely agree with that, I've never felt offended either. We Punjabis have a lot of sarcastic banter and humour in our every day conversations as well I guess, it just translates to every aspect of life.
I'd say the language lends itself very well to humour and banter. Most of the time, it is unintentional and straight faced humour.
That super duper Mayor of Karachi has cut all his ties with MQM and is hiding. Do the locals question why their own poster boy had said good bye and is hiding from the party? Where is Mustafa Kamal?
If it was PTI, haters would have done million hayee hayeee hundred times thoo thoo, that look even their own Mayor left the party, and is hiding.
Let see how well this Mustafa Kamal chooran works now that Mushy is gone, and Sindh & Punjab LB system effectively passes down no significant powers to the Mayor.
Got to give this to you, I agree with this. PTI due to many different reasons has evoked a multitude of responses from people in the past and indeed, you are correct in saying if it was someone from PTI, everyone would have been quick to lash out.
MQM sweeps Karachi but let's magnify and glorify the "votes" other parties are getting. LOL
Does Karachi consist of 100% Muhajir population that people think MQM would get 100% seats? Of course every party will have "votes" according to ethnic demographics of a diverse city. PPP/ANP have its own ethnic demographics in the city hence get votes. No one is painting Karachi as Nazi Germany where no party will have any "votes".
If tomorrow a new party emerges after PTI and spends 20 years politics, they too will have "votes" in Karachi, but that these votes mean jack when they do not translate into a proper competition to challenge the hold of one single party.
For new parties who are afraid of 'Jag Muhajir Jag' slogan, it is advised that they should concentrate on another slogan written behind rikshaws (mostly driven by Punjabi, Pathan and Saraiki drivers in intolerant and racist city of Karachi). The slogan is 'Mehnat kar, hasad na kar'. :)
For new parties who are afraid of 'Jag Muhajir Jag' slogan, it is advised that they should concentrate on another slogan written behind rikshaws (mostly driven by Punjabi, Pathan and Saraiki drivers in intolerant and racist city of Karachi). The slogan is 'Mehnat kar, hasad na kar'. :)
*Express news is reporting that JI Karachi's president Hafiz Naeem Al-rehman and PTI Karachi's president Ali Zaida, both have lost their seats to MQM. *
After all the campaign against MQM by the establishment/army/rangers proving their leaders and workers as terrorists and target killers, people of Karachi still voted for MQM. saalay chilu bhar paani main ja kar kyon nahin dhoob martay. :)
Got to give this to you, I agree with this. PTI due to many different reasons has evoked a multitude of responses from people in the past and indeed, you are correct in saying if it was someone from PTI, everyone would have been quick to lash out.
Thanks for seeing the point. PTI at best is largely self destructive at a party level, it can only harm itself. But the kind of hostile criticism it evokes is so disproportionate and dishonest. It's pathetic.
People making excuses for terror mafia which has destroyed Karachi in last 30 years, and having all their guns out at a party for not having a poetic tongue? The kind of reaction PTI is getting from people who don't even support the party, you would think that PTI is MQM and MQM is PTI.....in terms of characters and track record.
If there are areas in Pakistan that do not appreciate political competition, do not want strong runner ups, have xenophobic reservations then that's something PTI will have to learn and accept. Simple as that.
I am honestly really glad PTI had lost from Karachi. I am loving the feeling of being proven right. The myth of urban, educated, diverse commercial centre being held hostage by a violent mafia is broken.
MQM has a massive vote bank despite all their criminality & terror whereas PTI has a serious antipathy for not being bastion of picture perfect first world perfection.
PPP at the peak of its 'national party' days, couldn't challenge MQM in Karachi (their backyard). It got contained in Liyari and Malir- largely Balochi demographic.
Punjabi PMLN with Federal government doesn't even bother contesting there properly.* Mitti pehlaan hi bari paleed ay Punjabiyan di uthey.*
ANP other than violence, couldn't pose a serious electoral challenge. JI is history, and we can also add PTI to the list.
But let's all go hayee hayeee and gang up on PTI for even trying & adding some life and competition in the* campaign*? Let's rip them apart for failing, add to the hatred and antipathy that already exists for them, yet have the gall to say come in and try harder. Try hard in this environment? In a such environment where every Tom, Dick and Harry hates your guts? There is serious antipathy for PTI in Karachi, MQM had been telling PTI this since last 7-8 years.
If veteran political parties have given up on Karachi, I don't see why PTI needs to go out of its way to achieve something which is quite literally impossible. They will never be appreciated and encouraged enough.
But luckily, Pakistan goes a lot beyond Karachi. MQM has nothing other than Karachi, but PTI has effectively left footprints all over the country, they just need to establish their feet somehow.
[RIGHT]میرے سمجھ سے بالاتر ہے کہ جماعت اسلامی اور تحریک انصاف کے راہنما محض ہٹ دھرم ہیں یا جاہل و بے وقوف یا مکمل اندھے۔ جماعت ۳۰ سال سے لگاتار کراچی سے ہار رہی ہے مگر اسکی سمجھ نہیں آتا کہ کیوں ؟ اب تو فوج کی نگرانی میں بھی انتخابات ہوگئے اب کیا کہو گے اور کب تک کہو گے کہ ایم کیو ایم دھاندلی سے جیتتی ہے۔ یاد رکھ لو ایم کیو ایم کبھی نہیں جیتی بلکہ تم ہارتے ہو۔ ایم کیو ایم تو مجبوری ہے۔ لوگ جانتے ہیں کہ ایم کیو ایم قاتل بھی ہے اور بھتہ خور بھی اور منافق بھی مگر جماعت اسلامی اور تحریک انصاف اس سے کئی ہاتھ آگے نکلے ہوئے ہیں۔ کراچی والوں کو بھتہ خوری منظور مگر طالبان و داعش کی دہشتگردی نامنظور۔ امریکہ کے لئے افغانستان میں لڑنے والوں سے کراچی والوں نے خود کو ایک بار پھر محفوظ کر کیا۔ مبارکباد۔ جیو کراچی والوں۔ تم سلامت رہو تم نے ایک بار پھر کراچی بچا لیا۔[/RIGHT]
So after reading hardcore PTIans comments on FB and GS, I concluded one thing
Its not that PTI karachi ke qabil nahi, its Karachi jo PTI ke qabil nahi. Kahaan karachi ke lalloo panjoo, or kahan PTI ke danishwar mahraaj. Ham jaison kee qismat me Altaf nikhattoo hee likhaa hai. I am sure ke Quran main kaheen zaroor likhha hai ke jab tuk Karachi walay apni ghatiya zehinyat nahi change karain ge, Khan sahab jaisa leader Allah oon ko nahi de ga.
Punjabi establishment/Trojan horse tag which Allah ke shukar se even PTI has managed to earn in Karachi in NA-246.
Someone from Karachi is already crying about entire Muhajir race being called "zinda laashain" (which is not true at all), so let's not pretend ethnic victimisation and propaganda had played no part.
You are admitting that ethnicity plays a bigger role in elections especially in Karachi, yet accusing me of being in denial?
I can repeat as many times as you want to say PTI has absolutely no chances of breakthrough in whole of Sindh. There is no denial here whatsoever.
Ethnicity/bradhery/khandan plays role in every single constituency of Pakistan (perhaps in many countries of the world)
Yes its plays a bit bigger role in karachi than rest of the Pakistan because there is no more diverse city in Pakistan than Karachi. Its the most ethnically diverse city of Pakistan. You have conveniently ignored the fact thatI said this is ONE of the factor but not the only (and not the main) factor. Most of the PTI supporters are crying that this was the only reason they lost.
...Kahaan karachi ke lalloo panjoo, or kahan PTI ke danishwar mahraaj.
naam-nehad parhey likhey, jahil karachites (as one of my friend posted on FB) :)
So after reading hardcore PTIans comments on FB and GS, I concluded one thing
Its not that PTI karachi ke qabil nahi, its Karachi jo PTI ke qabil nahi. Kahaan karachi ke lalloo panjoo, or kahan PTI ke danishwar mahraaj. Ham jaison kee qismat me Altaf nikhattoo hee likhaa hai. I am sure ke Quran main kaheen zaroor likhha hai ke jab tuk Karachi walay apni ghatiya zehinyat nahi change karain ge, Khan sahab jaisa leader Allah oon ko nahi de ga.
Quran main Khan saab ka ziqar tou nahi he, but yeh zaroor likha he ke jaisee qoum waise hookmaran! Iss baat ko sab maantey hai, nahi?
Ab agar logo ne faisla kar liya he ke Imran Khan Altaf Hussain se bhi zeyada batreen leader he tou Allah waqai kabhi poore Pakistan ko Imran Khan or PTI ke qabil na banaye.
Ethnicity/bradhery/khandan plays role in every single constituency of Pakistan (perhaps in many countries of the world)
Yes its plays a bit bigger role in karachi than rest of the Pakistan because there is no more diverse city in Pakistan than Karachi. Its the most ethnically diverse city of Pakistan. You have conveniently ignored the fact thatI said this is ONE of the factor but not the only (and not the main) factor. Most of the PTI supporters are crying that this was the only reason they lost.
In diverse cities (not divided) ethnically inclusive parties (or largely non ethnic) gets the majority votes. London is diverse hence Labour party gets the votes because it seemingly unites all different communities.
The politically diverse history of both KPK and Punjab clearly suggest that ethnicity factor can be overlooked when there is an attractive ideology or charismatic leaders in place.
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naam-nehad parhey likhey, jahil karachites (as one of my friend posted on FB) :)
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I really blame IK for making such over the top, naive and feel good glorification speech on Karachiites as being so educated with siyaasi shaooor and being some kind of trend setters, and now there's a clear reaction and opposition to that impression created by non other than IK himself.
In democracy, not all votes are for votes, most of the times democracy revolves around against votes. What worries people is that despite high crime rate, violence, mass murdering, target killing, strikes, capital flight, foreign funding, there is actually no real 'against' vote in Karachi for MQM. It's like none of these things matter for the locals, yet every second person only a year ago used to cry about Karachi ke halaaat, Karachi ke halaat, Karachi ke halaat.....I wonder who was responsible for destroying Karachi ke halaat..........aliens?
