The Quaid in his speech broadcast on 13, November 1939 said, “Man has indeed been called God’s Caliph in the Quran and if that description of man is to be of any significance it imposes upon us a duty to follow the Quran, to behave towards others as God behaves towards his mankind.” In the same speech he further said, “All social regeneration and political freedom must finally depend on something that has deeper meaning in life. And that, if you allow me to say so, is Islam and Islamic spirit.” The Quaid when asked by the students to give a message said, “You have asked me to give you a message. What message can I give you? We have got the greatest message in the Quran for our guidance and enlightenment.”
I sense a different type of sectarian view point present here !!!
Sectarian? Nope man, I can't do that even if I wanted to because I've not studied Islamic history per se, I study history strictly from a secular point of view (secular here meaning "not related to religion" for all hypocrites here who might try to twist my words)
^How you define secularim also matters. In your opinion it will not work but in mine it will. The latter part of your previous post is exactly what secularism will bring to pakistan.
Like I said before, Islam is not a personal religion, it is the way of life for a muslim. There's a reason why Sharia law has never worked. I am not bashing Islam here but sharia law is wayyy too harsh and just impossible to implement in reality.Secularism has nothing in common with sharia law, so which extreme law would you rather see implemented?
Secularism has a proven track, even if anecdotal. Usually, countries that are secular tend to boast of doing better in a general sense, and are more harmonious...
Can any Islamic state make a similar boast?
The Quaid in his speech broadcast on 13, November 1939 said, “Man has indeed been called God’s Caliph in the Quran and if that description of man is to be of any significance it imposes upon us a duty to follow the Quran,** to behave towards others as God behaves towards his mankind.**”
The Quaid, being humane himself, promotes humanity.
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All social regeneration and political freedom must finally depend on something that has deeper meaning in life. And that, if you allow me to say so, is Islam and Islamic spirit.” The Quaid when asked by the students to give a message said, “You have asked me to give you a message. What message can I give you? We have got the greatest message in the Quran for our guidance and enlightenment.”
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That is indeed the truth. However, you have failed in showing me where the Quaid explicitly said that he wanted Pakistan to be based on Shariah.
Secularism has a proven track, even if anecdotal. Usually, countries that are secular tend to boast of doing better in a general sense, and are more harmonious...
Can any Islamic state make a similar boast?
The Quaid in his speech broadcast on 13, November 1939 said, “Man has indeed been called God’s Caliph in the Quran and if that description of man is to be of any significance it imposes upon us a duty to follow the Quran, to behave towards others as God behaves towards his mankind.” In the same speech he further said, “All social regeneration and political freedom must finally depend on something that has deeper meaning in life. And that, if you allow me to say so, is Islam and Islamic spirit.” The Quaid when asked by the students to give a message said, “You have asked me to give you a message. What message can I give you? We have got the greatest message in the Quran for our guidance and enlightenment.”
He was speaking of Islam in terms of a personal religion. How it guides people on a personal level.
He even eluded to this in his 1947 speech, by saying, "Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State. "
He does not in any way imply that this personal faith be used to govern a nation!
This entire passage is vague, in that its open to interpretation. However, there is no confusion in the DIRECT statement proclaiming that RELIGION IS NOT THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE. That is in itself a clear endorsement of secularism.
Secularism has a proven track, even if anecdotal. Usually, countries that are secular tend to boast of doing better in a general sense, and are more harmonious...
Can any Islamic state make a similar boast?
Only true Islamic Countries can survive in the world this corrupt secular system is a failure and nothing else
August 11, 1947 speech to the Constituent assembly of Pakistan.
Even in that speech he didn't used the world secular and but their are many speeches after that speech in which he has many times said Pakistan Law will be based on Quran and Sunnah second term which he used most of the time was Islamic Law and Principals
He was speaking of Islam in terms of a personal religion. How it guides people on a personal level.
He even eluded to this in his 1947 speech, by saying, "Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State. "
He does not in any way imply that this personal faith be used to govern a nation!
This entire passage is vague, in that its open to interpretation. However, there is no confusion in the DIRECT statement proclaiming that RELIGION IS NOT THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE. That is in itself a clear endorsement of secularism.
Sir if some is so afraid of Truth I can do nothing about it
Only true Islamic Countries can survive in the world this corrupt secular system is a failure and nothing else
Prove your statement.
The two "true" Islamic (true as per your thinking, in fact they are far away from Islam) are Saudi Arabia and Iran and by God, they are among the most perverted nations in existence.
Then there is Turkey, the jewel among the Muslim nations.
Even in that speech he didn't used the world secular and but their are many speeches after that speech in which he has many times said Pakistan Law will be based on Quran and Sunnah second term which he used most of the time was Islamic Law and Principals
I've been asking you this question for days now. WHEN AND WHERE does he say that?
So Quaid-e-Azam went ahead founded a country for MUSLIMS but want the same country to be Secular, then why the hell He actually bothered, India was there, constitutionally it is Secular state, so why need a separate state any way...
1, I can't really read Urdu so I don't understand what the guy is trying to say. Just something about Islamic principles being valid or something.
2: Give me a real source, not some Kalim Ullah's blog. I can just as easily make my own blog and cover it with senseless propaganda.
Mr when ever you visit Karachi go to Karachi Bar and ask their for the speech of Jinnah which he made their you will know it and the statement which I said includes English I think if you can write english you can also read it
*"Arguing about the country ( Pakistan) and can't really read Urdu... says alot "
*Do people have to speak URDU to prove they are pakistanis??. do you also doubt the Punjabi speaking population of Pakistan. Or sindis, baloch etc.
In India there are over 2 dozen official languages
The whole of south India does not speak in Hindi, does that make them less Indian. No way!!
India's progress is mainly due to south India.
