Re: Jinnah's Pakistan?
What you have said can be translated into one line:
Quaid-e-Azam was opportunist, who played a role to get what he got? or more precisely he was Munafiq who lied or told half-truth to get people behind him...
I heard that in those times, when Muslims of Subcontinent were looking to form a country of their own, many so-called scholars ( who created great deal of divisions among muslims) declared him Kafir and Agent of Brits.... Somebody calling himself Abu Kalam Azad kind of thing comes to mind...
Not going to argue on that, otherwise discussion will take another route
Is it you think that religious people should not involve in worldly matters or is it your understanding of Islam?
while the scholars are trying to please Allah and not involved in worldly affairs, how come they can consulted and if worldly leaders are going to act according to the advice of the scholars... why then not let the scholars run the show to start with?
So what is sharia'h we are talking about:
1) Fraud and corruption should be dealt as per Shaira?
2) Murderers should not be prosecuted?
3) Thieves and criminals should be set free?
4) Make Adultery legal?
5) Make liquor consumption legal?
6) deny justice?
just want to understand what do you mean by shaira implementation?
Peace hanibal
No I'm not calling Jinnah munafiq - I'm saying that he didn't seem to be too fussed with how the country was going to be run as long as "Muslims had their own state" ... However the people who have a preference of one or the other have used selected parts of his words to justify the authenticity of their claims - that Pakistan was made in this model or that model.
About Abu Kalam Azad I don't know ... you may be right.
Regarding scholars not getting involved in statecraft - there are very detailed wisdoms in this point ... you will find that scholars are often criticised when they are found at the doors of the palaces and yet kings are praised when they are found at the doors of the ulooms. The highest rung on the ladder for scholars is Grand Qadi - and we have something similar in Pakistan - with the Chief Justice ... who is often a Grand Mufti. Otherwise 'auliya are spiritual people and are there to balance the effects of materialism ... Caliphs and Viziers are involved in providing material fairness and implement justice - The awliya are there to provide the tools for people to learn tolerance, patience, mercy and charity. One serves the outward the other the inward and that is the balance of Islam.
The only position which sits on the fence is that of Qadi ... and traditionally only the Prophet and the Khulafah e Rashidoon had political and religious authority ... The reason why the Taliban model fell is because it failed to recognise this need.
Regarding not letting the scholars to run the show ... it is because the best scholars will shy away from leadership ... and they will fear the responsibility more than they will desire the honour ... Scholars also do not necessarily make pragmatic leaders - however some scholars may be multi-talented for sure ... but on the whole they will strongly refuse political leadership. Besides every king has his advisor - and if the advisor is religious then the advice will be just ... to say why not just give rule to the scholars is like saying no need for kings to have advisors just give dominion to the advisors. In order for the best results sometimes it is necessary to use people who have nothing to gain and also nothing to lose ...
Implementing Shari'ah means that decisions for law making and setting penal codes are done in the light of Islam using the methods that will best establish the way forward, through consultation of the best/experts of the areas in question. It is to understand that maximum penalty does not equate to penalty and various forms of sentencing as long as whatever transpires is passed by a shura - would be consdiered Islamic and Shari'ah ... Picking up Shari'ah law from Iraq several hundred years ago may be totally inappropriate today ... so Shari'ah does not mean following verbatim the law as set in the past - but to use the same tools to arrive at region and time specific solutions ...
Confucius said ... "Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought"
Ironically the Taliban (students) sought to follow in the footsteps, but you know what happens if you are walking forward whilst looking down for footsteps? You bash your head !!!
Shari'ah is a framework it is not a set of procedures or processes that prescribe and restrict.
