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Why muslims are against jews I mean why do we say that we should not recongnize jews as a nation? What jews actually believe in ?

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Muslims aren't against Jews...Judaism is closer to Islam than Christianity. Muslims are against their Zionist policies.

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But what is with it that we should not accept them as a nation n all ?

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i personally have NO problem accepting the reality of Israel as a state. those are nuts who will in the fool's world not to recognize Israel.

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theres a verse in the Quran which says the closest to Islam are some of the christians. i guess it means those who do not ascribe divinity to Prophet Isa AS

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we believe the land should be in the control of Muslims, and less significantly we believe it has been stolen by deception by israel in this current era and i would urge you to not consider the opinion of Muslims as fools as suggested above (although this is not a swipe at kkf) i just disagree on this occasion with him

under our control we would provide jews and christians access to their holy places, provide them safety and enable them to live in the area

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Enmity against jews has existed due to several historical events, such as jews very actively planning to kill prophet Muhammad (saw), breaking their promises and treaties again and again. In the past century or so, this has escalated due to jews' illegal occupation of palestinian land.
However there are several muslim countries that do recognize the state of Israel.

Lets not get carried away with what muslim governments can do for the safety of other's holy places. They can barely keep a shia mosque safe from sunni terrorists and vice versa.

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Islamic system is designed to work with complete control, with a strong leadership. we can assure people of their safety and sustenance under islamic rule. the news is filled with attempts to win small battles, having to fight other ideologies and the like. thats not the same

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This would be true if there was an islamic system or any kind of leadership. Lets hold off till we reach that point. Under current situation, we only seem to be producing dictators

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What Islam says and what so called "islamic country" leaders do are two different things. Like Obaid said we cant even protect or give rights to our own let alone anyone else.

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It is incorrect to equate the differences between Israel and Palestine to differences between Muslims and Jews. The current day conflict is solely territorial. Jews were persecuted by Hitler in the early part of the century, and as compensation, the UN led by western countries unilaterally decided to create a new state for the jews in the area inhabited by palestinians, as that land is historically linked to Prophet Moses AS. In an effort to do that, muslims were eradicated from cities on a broad scale in order to make place for the incoming jews. Those muslims were left homeless, and put in refugee camps. Now the current situation in Palestine and Israel is that of apartheid, with a small minority (jews) occupying most of the land and resources, and the majority (palestinian muslims and christians) made to live in refugee camps.

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we have successful, by the grace of Allah, areas now using the Islamic system. where not only do muslims reside but millions upon millions of hard to keep happy, eager to cause serious harm, non muslim people. both their safety and abundant sustenance has been ongoing. the success may or may not last forever. generally for other areas the system is not a very saleable commodity unless people have a desire to submit to the laws of Allah SWT because materialistically its not guaranteed to be wealthy

'lets hold off' sounds too close to the way of unreccommended people, its a sure goodbye with a mutual wave. one side implying 'we'll come back' other saying 'off they go never to return'. Allah SWT said follow the Believers way

leadership is not a problem either, we have plenty of people even all around us who could lead. under a well laid out and implemented system kingship can be more then sufficient

the original point was that we can assure safety for others, however most 'others' do not want the Islamic system in place so they battle against it. and thats the negatives you are seeing. if we allow Islam its rightful place and we will see the better results

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salam alaikum

i generally agree with you regarding 'country' leaders, but dont you think we can offer a place of comfortable residence if Islam ruled unopposed? we can, even with the physical body of the same leaders. Allah SWT sent us tawheed, which means not just to believe in HIM but also follow his Legistlation in its entirety (ie tawheed).

Allah SWT said Muslims are the best nation raised up for mankind. this is not applicable to us 'cos we were born into Islam, this is applicable to those who believe in Him, his help, his Messengers and those who live his prescribed way (deen)

lets not be defeatist and give up

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This is not about giving up. This is about taking logical steps. The current state of turmoil through which islam is going thru, we need to first clear the name of islam.
A picture is worth a thousand words, and the picture of islam that the so-called muslim countries are portraying ....

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clear the name of Islam to whom?

so what your saying is lets take a step back to come forward?

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The conflict between Muslims and Jews is contemporary. It's often cast as an ancient one, but that's a bit dramatic. To make a long story short, the conflict between Zionists and Palestinians took on a more cosmic dimension as it was recast in religious terms by both sides. It seems to emote well around the Muslim world as it re-hashes anti-colonialist sentiment. It's also easy to recast this conflict in religions terms because of the conflict between the early Muslims and the Jewish tribes of Arabia.

Now, it's important to point out that there are plenty of Jews who do not support Zionist policies with respect to their treatment of the Palestinians, and there are Muslims who think of the Palestinian conflict as a rather mild fringe conflict that's blown out of proportion, but I'd wager these are few and far between.

Also, there is recognition of Jews as a nation, but their claims to the "holy land" carry no weight in Muslim eyes. It was a land grab, no different from any other colonial venture. Many Jews think of Israel as their historic land, and even though it was not the Arabs who had kicked them out so many thousands of years ago, that it was always rightfully theirs and that the Arabs were trespassing. It doesn't help that many fundamentalist Christians hold the belief that Jews must be in the historic land of Israel as a precursor to the arrival of Christ.

Muslim interest in the land is two fold:
i) According to Islamic jurisprudence, once a land is in our possession it shall always remain so. I don't know if this can be traced to primary sources of Islamic law, but that's not the point. It can be definitely inferred from the war doctrine that evolved in Muslim empires. Double so if it is still populated by Muslims. So, I suppose, in this sense we can say that the contemporary conflict is historic, as Christians and Muslims fought over the land during the Crusader era, and it can be argued that they are still fighting over the land with the modern state of Israel on the Christian side.
ii) Al Aqsa

Solidarity for Palestinians is often a stated reason, but given their abuse by other Arabs, I think that's a bit much, and in some sense the so-called solidarity is more driven by *ideological *attitudes formulated by i) above than actual sympathy for Palestinian Muslim suffering.

So in essence, asking for the acceptance of Israel is akin to asking Muslims to accept defeat, which is traditionally not done. So there are two options I see:
i) Perpetual war.
ii) Quid pro quo, where Israel and the Arabs find a role for the Jewish state in the Middle East. For example, Jews would be the brain trust, and the gulf arabs would be the financiers. The combination is potent.

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There is no intrinsic hatred or disliking between Muslims and Jews.

Muslims have helped Jews whenever they were in trouble and gave them sanctuary from persecution.

Palestinian issue was created recently to cause political rift between Muslims and the Jews.

Jews are considered as religious nation. Quran talks about them as a group a lot.

Jews have been given much more relaxation by God in Quran than any other religious group.

Many of their demands were fulfilled by God...as little as asking for easily available food so they do not have to work hard.

Muslims adapted part of their religion from very early ages.

Musa (Moses) is well respected by Muslims and their Kosher food is accepted by Muslims.

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From my understanding, jews are the closest to Muslims in terms of beliefs. Like diwana said, the palestine and israel issue is more political than anything. Just like muslims have the taliban and al qaeda, they have zionism (although it could be argued that zionism is more of a subculture than belief system because a lot of people who openly practice it have no affiliation with the jewish faith what so ever). Also, correct me if im wrong but muslims are permitted to eat kosher meat?? I have fair amount of jewish friends and there are more parallel beliefs than differing ones by far.

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woww..........................................tomorrow shd be a national holiday!

ek diwany ko aqal aa gayee........

itni aqal wali guftagu....kaya ho gaya diwany bhai!

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There is a joke for you:

There were three guys.

One person told a joke.

Second laughed.

The third one was a little dumb like you.....

He laughed next day! :D

Moral: All my posts have had some good points, you just didn't get them until this one. ;)

P.S. In case you did not get my point, I had to write the moral to this.