Jesus was not a man of violence and anyway, according to Jesus and Christians, Jesus’ death and resurrection were prophesied. No reason why anyone would have liked to prevent the prophecy to occur.
What is interesting about Jesus’ disciples AFTER Jesus’ ascention is that they ALL were prepared to undergo torture and died while proclaiming that what they believed were correct.
A person really have to be absolutely certain of himself if s/he is prepared to die for a lie. Paul wrote in 1Cor.15v12-32 “…if Christ has not been raised (from the dead), our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God…”
It sometimes is better to not just accept every rumour.
Jesus was not involved the direct writing of any scripture. The New Testament are compiled from documents various people wrote who had direct access to Jesus and some who had access to his disciples and apostles. Only those documents were included in the New Testament compendium of scripture.
Unfortunately your reasoning does not prove anything.
SOME of his followers betrayed and left him to save themselves (all his closest disciples) when Jesus was arrested. SOME of his followers followed him all along and was witness to Jesus’ death (mainly the women followers).
SOME of his followers betrayed and left him to save themselves (all his closest disciples) when Jesus was arrested. SOME of his followers followed him all along and was witness to Jesus' death (mainly the women followers).
BTW. It were 30 silver coins not 12 :)
Ok so it was Joseph's brothers who sold Him for 12 coins, and Judas who sold Jesus(PBUH) for 30 coins, and Eve sold all of what was in Paradise for a bite of an Apple.
Jesus was not involved the direct writing of any scripture. The New Testament are compiled from documents various people wrote who had direct access to Jesus and some who had access to his disciples and apostles. Only those documents were included in the New Testament compendium of scripture.
i know you are right it was collected but the person who wrote it was jew and i don't know maulana was telling and in maariful quran as i remembered it was mentionesALLAH KNOWS BEST
Old Man, you appear to be staunch Chrsitian. Can we have an interfaith dialogue here without any mudslinging. I would be willing to participate. The precondition would be whatever we talk regarding Christianity should be brought about from the Bible not the Church doctrine. Bible is your scripture and whatever you believe should be supported through the Bible without any conflicts in it. Since you believe in the Bible it would be fair to debate using the Bible as evidence for what is said, does that sound reasonable?
This debate may go on for days and do not expect it to be instantaneous.
That would be really nice. At least people like me will find out more about Christanity and their beliefs given that the discussion take place without any mudslinging or point fingers at each other. :k:
Um I understand Sindsagar’s quote and he has a point but what is the meaning of your smiley? Is it just you are looking to increase number of posts or you really had something to say?
This debate may go on for days and do not expect it to be instantaneous.
I have no intention of making it an interfaith butcherfest but rather state CHristian beliefs on things that are common between Islam and Christianity. So first we estblish what belief we hold about things then we can debate further.
What I want to start out with is what are the concepts of these things in Christianity:
1 - God (or Allah SWT)
2 - Prophets
3 - Angels
4 - Revealed scriptures
5 - Judgement day
6 - Heaven
7 - Hell
8 - Jesus PBUH
9 - Muhammad PBUH
It is in order. I would suggest that a new thread be opened though. I actually had some discussions with people off the forums in the past.
I normally is no mud-slinger and go out of my way to not be derogatory in any way of Islam on this forum. I am open for new ideas and have some ideas that a lot of Christians will say is even un-Christian.
The biggest problem in a dialogue as proposed by you are the fringe mud-slingers that flock to some discussions. I have no problem in other people joining the dialogue and participate civilly - this is an open forum.
Bringing the thread back to it's original quest....
PyariCgudia actually asked one of the better questions on Christianity in a long time on this forum namely "what was the purpose of changing the bible verses to say that Jesus is the SON of God?".
The question obviously immediately assumes that the Bible was changed on this issue. If the assumption is incorrect, some very serious implications will exist for any non-Christian religion! No-one took up on that.
The assumption also negates the issue of proving that the changes did take place, something not very easy to proof. I accept though that the assumption is necessary in order to start a debate on the issue.
If the Bible was changed in order to incorporate the doctrine that Jesus is the Son of God, then it most definitely should go down as the biggest scam/hoax ever in the history of humankind. Who could benefit from it? I don't know and would personally like to hear more debate on the issue.
you should check this site old man http://www.ahmed-deedat.co.za/frameset.asp
he was a priest before and then he became muslim and he wrote many books on crisianity and jesus
^ ume-zafeerah are you saying Ahmed Deedat was Christian and he converted to Islam later on?
I thought he was a born Muslim and was born in India than moved to S. Africa and thats when he started spreading Islam and had dialogues with Christian. So whats right?
You are telling someone how to interpret their religion? Not everyone believes every spiritual matter was revealed in one book, that is not the necessarily the definition of a Christian.
Besides, there are many, many practices in Islam which Muslims believe are an integral part of practicing the religion that are not in the Quran. So why the double standard?
I thought he was a born Muslim and was born in India than moved to S. Africa and thats when he started spreading Islam and had dialogues with Christian. So whats right?
no he was christian and then he converted but i don't know about location.
