Jesus Christ!

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Your comments, armughal, are just so silly and unfounded, its not even funny. You're doing nothing more than causing problems and making personal attacks on people who don't agree with your archaic views, as usual. Pathetic.

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I think it was Paul who came up with this doctrine.

This would definetely ruin ur appetite
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^ so u call me silly, and unfounded, and a problem creator, and yet i am the one making personal attacks....

wah re dunya....

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Agree with ravage in post # 2. Basically if there is no curification there is no christianity. Jesus (pbuh) was bonafide jew. and his follower could be no other iff they dont add some mirch masala on their own.

One they agree no matter how many centuries later, that he is the Son and not* the servent* then it is easier to replace the word servent with son. and once this sect grows into a major religion you will find only the word son and any suggestion to degrade this son to servent would be opposed with might.
so Gospel of Barnabascan only find its way into dustbin as it is (supposidly ) muslim propoganda tool for devoted Roman catholics.

Just an example for muslims to understand how different school of thoughts have their own favorite (sometimes “private” )meanings …

Khatimun Nabeeyen as refered to Prophet Muhammad in quran is generally understood amongst muslims as final prophet OR Seal of prophets but in Ahmadiya religion ( they also believe quran to be the word of GOD) it means greatest prophet. So in theory if they Ahmadiya religion grows as big as roman catholics you might find this meaning prevelent and other meanings as exceptions.

Second example is amongst Shia school of thought. Regarding the meaning of Ahl-e-bait. if you know arabic or translate then it simply means people of house ( Ahl-e-khana in urdu) which mean family. But For shia it includes only a “select” few (chosen) people of the family

So you may cling to either side but you can not ignore the role of God Almighty himself (regarding jesus, son of God chapter)

GOd is in no way just an innocent spectator in all this fiasco. He made jesus without father and then rose him upto heavens for no apparent reason ( the belief common in christian and muslim )

^^ the above mentioned fact indicates that God himself wanted people to believe that Jesus is not an ordinary prophet. And I can not think of another title for an extraordinary prophet,

I ask why God made in so extraordinary even though he(God) did not gave him any new law ( Jesus was a jew and follower of Law of Moses, torah )

Jesus = Extraordinary prophet ------ >(?? some title I can not think of ??)----> son of God.

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hmmm very interesting line of thought. Considering the limited knowledge and supstitions of that era very much possible. Fast forward 2000 years and you have people who think that he literaly is son of God.

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According to muslim belief Jesus PBUH was extraordinary because besides being a prophet born of a virgin mother he is also the saviour before the day of judgement. He did not die because he has to return and as far as my knowledge goes Allah SWT never sent back any prophet from the dead to this world.

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First of all it is not a theory... it is stated so in the Quran.

I have not read most of the replies so maybe some one has already listed these as the reasosn.

  1. Due to the nature of the Hazrat Esa's birth/conception. It was easy for the people to make the leap to pronounce him son of God. *]While it is true that politics may have played a part in the corruption of the message, however, more plausible reason (at least in my mind) is that the meassage was misunderstood. There are many examples in our own language where the word has two different meanings and a person who is not familiar with the language may go with the wrong one. The title "son of God" was applied in the Old Testament to persons having any special relationship with God.
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as Kaleem points out the message may just be genuinely misunderstood aided by political reasons. the folks who gathered around Nicene and decreed that "Son" means Son of God as an article of faith were Western christians (those who had been following the Greek translation of the Bible). In translation to Greek the word for Son lost its other meanings (see Icono's post) and therefore confined the Greeks to that meaning. This then became the dominant version.

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Bible was changed only for the Political point.

Jews changed it because they were waiting for a Prophet or a Person whom was supposed to make them ruler of the world. But he started to preach them Islam instead of fulfilling their will. First they made the govt. against him and made him to be hanged (we are told by Allah that Jesus is still alive and was not killed). Then after three days, a Jew scholar came to people and said that Jesus came to me and he was reborn and he said that I am Son of God. Then he showed the manipulated part of Bible.

Actually the original text of Bible is not touched, he added a chapter or two in the Bible. The whole manipulation was done in seperate chapters. But it is not mentioned in Bible that which chapter is written by Jesus or his fellows or the Jews. But you can know by the way of speech.

Now they are trying to take over Palestine only for the sake of ruling the world. As it is written in Torah that the Prophet will give them th rule over world. But they are missing the point of following the Prophet. They just want the rule. Capturing Palestine is one of the syntoms told by Jewish scholars. Then they will demolish Dome of the Rock and Masjid-e Aqsa for this sake. Then they will bring out Anti-Christ as their king who will give them rule over world.

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Source?

Is it your own theory based on some historic evidence.

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Exactly no rationale.

There exists no concrete evidence that the Bible/Torah was “changed”. It is accepted by people who can’t accept the message in the Bible/torah because it clash with their own religios beliefs and scriptures.

There exist minor differences in old manuscripts. In stead of hiding/destroying/ignoring these differences, they are published and their origen, contend, importance, etc. is debated. If the evidence exist that it is more exact than existing, new versions of the Bible include them in it’s translation with footnotes to different “readings” (as done in NIV and other good translations).

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There is so much ignorance about Christianity and people make statements without any concrete proof:

Any proof that the Jews did it? Did the Jews write the New Testament or did they only corrupt the Old Testament? Now they follow themselves their corrupted Old Testament? Really!!!!

Any proof? Paul was stated what was doctrine from Jesus and his disciples and was completely supported in his theology by the disciples that were taught intimately and directly for three years by Jesus. There exist no-one in earth's history that has a better idea what Jesus' teachings were than the 12 disciples.

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It’s her own idea of what happened. I suppose she is entitled to it even if she has no proof.

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Absolutely correct. The crucifiction is essential but even more is the coming alive again. If Jesus did not rise again in a physical sense, then Christianity has no basis as religion.

This argument would hold exept that enough documents exist from the people who knew the disciples and Jesus personally where they also wrote in the same vein. The doctrine was not “formulated” centuries after Jesus but immediately afterwards using even the Old Testament.

The Gospel of Barnabas were clearly written centuries after Jesus as many other documents.

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It was much easier to convince the Greeks and Romans who believed in mythical Gods like Zeus who comes to Earth and takes a human wife and has a Son Appollo, and many other Gods did that hence the doctrine that Jesus(PBUH) was Son of the one true God (NauzubillaH) was the same old Greek Mythology being perpetuated hence adopted by the Emperor of Rome.
And the old Pagan stories of sacrificing the virgin to save others from calamaties was also perpetuated this way.
If the Apostles of Jesus(PBUH) truely believed he was Son of the Almighty, don't you think they would have gladly died to protect him from the Roman soldiers, so out of guilt of not being able to save Jesus(PBUH) the Prophet from the Romans him being sacrificed for all sinners was an easy sell to those who sacrificed virgins.

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^ The Old Man would have more knowledge, but what I heard is its not that disciples were not ready to fight but rather Hz Isa stopped them from violence.

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I have heard according to history that jews crucified jesus and destroyed bible and there was a man named yahuda who was jewish who wrote the bible again.It is a plot as you are talking about and it is made from jews

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and you know christians changed bible also when HAZRAT MOHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) was here because they knew that last prophet has arrived and they got jealous and they changed.may be they have been changing bible since.

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25 Million dollars is not able to produce a single Afghan who would turn in the Al Qaida Leaders, where as Jesus(PBUH) was sold to the Romans for 12 silver coins, that in itself proves He was not the son of any God. and all his followers betrayed him.

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