Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
Islam also included in it! Same fairy tales as other religions! All limited to the Palestine and Arabia! Nothing from the Americas, Australia, Japan, China etc
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
Mostar scientists cannot prove where they came from i.e. evolution or creation. how can they prove religion wrong?
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
imranjaff bhai, you are following a sect which is outside the fold of our beautiful Islam, this sect beautifies the Quran and says many good things but their beliefs are not the beliefs of Sunni Islam.
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
which sect he is following which is outside the fold of Islam? i believe that only Qadyanies have this status and he does not seem to me as one of them
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
You can see the ghamdi's student's website.
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
well i went to it and it did not strike to me as appealing but neither absurd like some are. His view that it is not necessary to blindly follow an Imam is correct but where they stay away from Ahadith is i think they leave the track. you simply cannot brush them aside.
By the way i want to know the name of this sect.
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
Where and How does he stay away from Ahadith? The last i heard him on TV his point of view was that some Ahadith can mean different if looked into independently. Hence his point of view was that Ahadith should always be interpreted and explained under the guidance from Quran.
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
So all the poius predecessors and the students of Sahbas didnt understand those Hadees in a correct way but so called Doctors like Javed Ghamdi have understood those hadees under the guidance from the Quran. This mentality is the cause of all new fitnas today.
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
Not exactly, listen Students of Sahabas lived in those times and their interpretations were according to those times, the context has changed now and we may require a research of the intended meanings. They understood the meanings according to their times and we may according to our times
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
Islam is for all the times, you cant just change the meaning as you wish. Same way some people say Zakaat was only for the time of Prophet s.a.w and its not faraz anymore. People use this excuse for different things. There are certain beliefs/aqaaid which are not to be intrepreted in every century, they stay the same. Samething for anything there is Ijma on.
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
Allahhu Akbar, another person who lost his sense and misguiding other people. These kinds of people very easily find other people who wants alternate ways to get out of the islamic obligations.
Look what the student og gahmidi said:
give me a break, ahadith are part of Islamic faith. may Allah Ta’ala guide this muslim ummah and guides us on to the straight path…Ameen.
another lame and looser comments! where did you come from? and where did your brothers scientists come from? big-bang? Who created that big-bang? Where did that rock come from? Please give me a break!
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
Bhai i never meant about Zakat or basic tenet's of Islam, off course you are right. What i am against is your last line, The Ijma!!! Imam Abu Hanfia was a scholar of his time but he did not have a status of Prophet or Sahabas, His interpretation for something may be faulty, you can debate on it. What was the agreed chain of inference in Islam in the hadith where Hazrat Muhammad (p.b.u.h) asked Muaz Bin Jabbal, Quran, Hadith & Ijtehad. Where did Ijma came from. Ijma was for that time, do not kill the door of Ijtehad. That is where the degenration of Islam started.
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
Please correct yourself by reading my post above, i have said what muslims have been saying for centuries but our bigoted Mullahs do not want to listen. They have expanded Islam's base from Quran & Hadith to Ijma. Why should believing on interpretation of any scholar of old times in contemporary world be a part of my emaan. Why should his interpretation be termed as fundameltal tenet of islam. A scholar of today should have the right to go back to the original sources i.e. Quran & Hadith and have an Ijtehad. He is no lesser than any Imam if he is well learned.
All this debate about Hudood ordinance is about the faulty interpretation by our imams. I am a sunni and i respect all the imams but i have a right to differ from there opinion in some cases and a right to accept their opinions, why not, Is it part of Islam to blindly follow what these Imams have said who could not even unite on smallest issues.
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
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Bigoted Mullahs? Sad how you refer to them but against its among one of the signs of the Qiyamat. They are experts of their field.
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They have expanded Islam's base from Quran & Hadith to Ijma. Why should believing on interpretation of any scholar of old times in contemporary world be a part of my emaan. Why should his interpretation be termed as fundameltal tenet of islam. A scholar of today should have the right to go back to the original sources i.e. Quran & Hadith and have an Ijtehad. He is no lesser than any Imam if he is well learned.
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Anything that was taught to the Sahabas by the Prophet s.a.w and passed down to their student, anything contradictioy to it baatil and false and wont be accepted. That is one of the main difference between Ahl Sunnah and other sects. First of all there are no mujtahid e mutalaq anymore. But if a new problem arise, then a scholrs who is expert in that field can do ijtihad using Quran, Sunnah, and the rules set by the Imam of his school of taught. Not every Tom and Haarry can play with Sharia in the name of ijtihad. There is no ijtihad on things there is ijma on, or on matters Imams have already one ijtihad.
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i have a right to differ from there opinion in some cases and a right to accept their opinions, why not, Is it part of Islam to blindly follow what these Imams have said who could not even unite on smallest issues.
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You dont have the right to differ, only a mujtahid can differ from a mujtahid. As far as the differences among the Imams, thats because those difference were also in the Sahabas. If Sahabas agreed on something, there was no difference among the Imams.
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
i think you people were talking on A non believer Ghamdi who is misleading muslims
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
Bigoted Mullahs? Sad how you refer to them but against its among one of the signs of the Qiyamat. They are experts of their field. .
Whom do you consider expert, all or any particular.
Anything that was taught to the Sahabas by the Prophet s.a.w and passed down to their student, anything contradictioy to it baatil and false and wont be accepted. .
true, but do not mix things up, i am talking about ijtehad which means something which does not have a clear injunction in Quran or hadith.
simply wrong, this is the reason of degeneration. who ordered there would be no mujtahids after some time, Quran or Hadith, quote please.
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Who is imam to set the rules, why are you mixing imams with Quran and Sunnah.
Not every Tom and Haarry can play with Sharia in the name of ijtihad. There is no ijtihad on things there is ijma on, or on matters Imams have already one ijtihad. .
Who said this, Prove me anywhere from Quran or Hadith that Ijma is valid for all the times. i mean after ijma you cannot reopen the case.
No where i am talking about sahabas, all these ijmas were done much after sahabas. Why should ijma for four imams be binding on us, why cannot we reopen the case. where in Quran or Hadith Ijma has been declared binding on times to come. can you quote please.
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
Aslam Alikum Warhmatulla .
Any thing which is against Quran and Sunnah is a great sin. The "Ulema" who seels Ayats of Allaah for money are the worst of kinds .
Ghamdi is another example of such kind who also believes that " Prostitution" is also allowed .You can witness his TV show on Geo along with Kamran Lashari .
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
i am not favoring Ghamadi, from my side he can go to hell, why some people mix up personalities with issues.
Now the issue under discussion is about Ijtehad and status of Ijma. My question is that who declared that Ijma's cannot be re-opened. Can anyone quote a single Ayat or Hadith. I mean from where this Ijma came?
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
All I can say is that cricketplaya, Khanbax, and co get a life!! Learn to respect someone else's point of view, and someone else's understanding of Islam. If you can't do that, then don't force us to believe what you believe. You might not like Ghamdi, but I think he's a very smart person with a very good knowledge about our religion. I've heard him many times on Geo...never heard him say anything wrong. If you think he's wrong, keep it to yourself buddy, and I'll keep my thoughts about him to myself?
Re: Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
okey then you will also be a non muslim like him no problem:)
and there are rights of non muslims in a muslim country and we will give you your rights okey so be happy and try to live like a good non muslim