James Cameron reveals remains of Jesus and family?

[mj1982]

Re: James Cameron reveals remains of Jesus and family?

^ given the rubbish posted on this site your post is hardly surprising.

[hareem01]

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is that all you can say in reply....

[hypnotix-2000]

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@Anwaar Qureshi

what was the age of Jesus when the crucification took place?

Who cares?

3:45 اِذْ قَالَتْ الْمَلَئِكَة ُ يَمَرْيَمُ اِ׀†َّ اللَّهَ يُبَشِّرُكِ بِكَلِمَةٍ مِنْهُ اسْمُهُ الْمَسِيԀ€*ُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ وَجِيهًا فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْاءَخِرَةِ وَمِنْ الْمُقَرَّبِينَ
Angels said, “O Mary! Allah gives you the good news through a word from Him. His name would be Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, held in honor in this world and among the ones close to Me in the Hereafter.

3:46 وَيُكَلِّمُ النَّاسَ فِي الْمَهْدِ وَكَهْلًا وَمِنْ الصَّلِحِينَ
Talking to people while very young and in ripe old age in good health.”

[AQ]

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@hypnotix-2000

Who cares?

3:45 اِذْ قَالَتْ الْمَلَئِكَة ُ يَمَرْيَمُ اِ׀†َّ اللَّهَ يُبَشِّرُكِ بِكَلِمَةٍ مِنْهُ اسْمُهُ الْمَسِيԀ€*ُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ وَجِيهًا فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْاءَخِرَةِ وَمِنْ الْمُقَرَّبِينَ Angels said, “O Mary! Allah gives you the good news through a word from Him. His name would be Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, held in honor in this world and among the ones close to Me in the Hereafter.

3:46 وَيُكَلِّمُ النَّاسَ فِي الْمَهْدِ وَكَهْلًا وَمِنْ الصَّلِحِينَ Talking to people while very young and in ripe old age in good health.”

What is the Arabic for "ripe of old age" again:)?

[hypnotix-2000]

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Salam mj1982,
Unfortunately there is no lexical analyzer for Pre-Islamic/Classical Arabic. You might want to try reading the following:

http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm (Arabic Lexicon very close to Lisaan-il Arabiyah)
http://www.beacon2005.com/QXP%202nd%20edition%206-18-03.doc
http://www.quraninstitute.org

This might help…

As for Dajjal, in my opinion, it is a manmade tradition based on Persian and Jewish/Syriac Messianic beliefs, and nothing more. The day muslims realize they THEMSELVES have the power to better themselves and do not need a Mahdi and Maseeh, is the day they will once again become what they were 1400 years ago.

@mj1982

I have no idea how to translate classical arabic - fews words here and there which are obvious like names etc. but not much else. I can read the Quran but I have to read the translation to know what it means.

Where can I find a translation done authentically from Classic Arabic and not modern arabic?

According to my research Yusuf Ali, Picktall and others are from modern Arabic. I could be wrong.

As far a Jesus return is concerned is there any hadith attesting to it? I have deinitely heard one quite a few times…I’m pretty sure you have too.
How do I know it’s authentic?

Given this new knowledge I beginning to suspect about other things as well like the Dajjal saga, Mahdi etc.(events, characters realting to the End Times)

No direct reference in Quran to them anywhere or perhaps I have missed it?

[hypnotix-2000]

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@Anwaar Qureshi

What is the Arabic for “ripe of old age” again:)?

And I ask again, who cares?

[AQ]

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@hypnotix-2000

And I ask again, who cares?

u dun care because Quran gives you a hint of his return right in the word "Kahoola":)

[hypnotix-2000]

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@Anwaar Qureshi

u dun care because Quran gives you a hint of his return right in the word “Kahoola”

It does not hint of his return in any sense of the word…

[AQ]

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@hypnotix-2000

It does not hint of his return in any sense of the word...

it does...

[hypnotix-2000]

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@Anwaar Qureshi

it does…

Well then we agree to disagree… case closed

[AQ]

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@hypnotix-2000

Well then we agree to disagree… case closed

case is not closed… it requires my closing argument:p

you asked for a quranic reference…

Isa:as: was taken to heaven (however u interpret it) at the age of 32-33 and that age is hostorically proven… Quran talks abou KAHOOLA… go check your lexicon arabic classical whatever dictionary and you will find that Kahoola comes at the age of 40

[hypnotix-2000]

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@Anwaar Qureshi

case is not closed… it requires my closing argument:p

you asked for a quranic reference…

Isa:as: was taken to heaven (however u interpret it) at the age of 32-33 and that age is hostorically proven… Quran talks abou KAHOOLA… go check your lexicon arabic classical whatever dictionary and you will find that Kahoola comes at the age of 40

Not closed? Fair enough! Where does it say he was “lifted physically/bodily” and where does it say “he will return” ..

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@PyariCgudia

Interestingly, one of the commentators was arguing on CNN yesterday that even if they were to proove that this was a family, etc, it still doesn't mean anything. (1)Primarily because the names Mary, Joseph, Jesus, Mary Magdelane etc were common. And its not a far fetch of a fantasy that a family might have existed who were such fans of Jesus that they decided to name their kids, so that their family resembled that of the holy family.

As for Jesus' marriage status, I think there are hadith's that predict his marriage when he comes back to earth.

Now these people fall into there own trap. (2)If the names were so common, such as the name of Jesus. Then the Quranic verse

004.157YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";-(3) but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Now matching the bold sentence of PCG and the Quranic verse, which explicitly is told By Allaah it made to Appear so(In the hadith in states that someone by the name of Jesus was up on the cross)

I know this is getting complicated, now let me get 1,2 and 3 together and conclude, I being a Muslim believe that Quran is authentic and the only Truth,
dont we muslims think using Quran as referency that it was someone else in the name of Jesus, who was crucified.

Hence concluding the word of Allaah is the The Truth.

[HallaGulla]

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He died and is buried in Srinagar, Kashmir as claimed by Holger Kirtsten in his book "Jesus Lived in India"

[hareem01]

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ahamadies believe the same.....

[hypnotix-2000]

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@hareem01

ahamadies believe the same…

Informative yet irrelevant…