Interesting find that James Cameron claims are remains of Easa (ES) and his Family, puts new light on Christianity and Islam. Even if the Jews and Christians can some how accept this, I doubt Muslims will ever do so.
Any Comments?
http://www.filmstalker.co.uk/archives/2007/02/james_cameron_reveals_remains.html
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James Cameron](James Cameron - IMDb)* might just have set himself up for a big controversy as he announces that he’s found the remains of Jesus, Mary and Mary Magdalene. He’s announced a press conference in New York where he will allegedly be revealing their coffins which still hold their remains.*
Wow! You have to wonder if this is some kind of publicity stunt, or if he really has found the remains as part of his documentary that delves into the claims that Jesus wasn’t resurrected and actually died, like a real human, and that he aired a son with Mary Magdelene. Oh some people are going to be mad.
The story from Time’s Middle Eastern Blog](TIME | Current & Breaking News | National & World Updates) through *AICN](Has James Cameron Discovered The Final Resting Place of Jesus Christ?).*
Let’s go back 27 years, when Israeli construction workers were gouging out the foundations for a new building in the industrial park in the Talpiyot, a Jerusalem suburb. of Jerusalem. The earth gave way, revealing a 2,000 year old cave with 10 stone caskets. Archologists were summoned, and the stone caskets carted away for examination. It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs. They were: Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua.**That’s how it all started, but even then the coffins weren’t connected with the bible as there were so many inconsistencies with the biblical stories. However the makers of the documentary, Narrator Cameron and director *Simcha Jacobovici](Simcha Jacobovici - IMDb), claim that the coffins found belong to Jesus and his family.*
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What exactly do you doubt from Muslims in this matter? 
Or do you mean, what is Islam’s answer (according to the textual sources) to these ‘new’ findings?
Just as a starting point:
“That they said (in boast) “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of Allah”; but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who diffet therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power Wise.”
The Holy Qur’an, Surah an-Nisaa (4), Ruku 22, Ayat 157-8
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^ Right, which is why if these findings are true (which I don't think they'll ever be able to proove - I don't get what DNA tests they want to do - what are they going to compare the DNA against?), then it poses a problem for muslims too. Because we also believe that he was taken up to heaven, in bodily form, and that he's still up there waiting to come down again. And if he really did marry Marry Magdelane (which Islam doesn't even mention her), then it also poses a problem because muslims believe he wasn't married, and that he'll marry once he comes back to Earth.
Personally, I think this thing is a big hoax.
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do muslims believe that he was not married or is there no information on it?
from a DNA perspective I suppose they compared the DNA to the other remains to establish that this indeed was a family. And if this was a family with those names and those relationships then that is probably the basis of their arguments.
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Interestingly, one of the commentators was arguing on CNN yesterday that even if they were to proove that this was a family, etc, it still doesn't mean anything. Primarily because the names Mary, Joseph, Jesus, Mary Magdelane etc were common. And its not a far fetch of a fantasy that a family might have existed who were such fans of Jesus that they decided to name their kids, so that their family resembled that of the holy family.
As for Jesus' marriage status, I think there are hadith's that predict his marriage when he comes back to earth.
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PCG if they can caron date it to that period, and depending on how specific they are it could prove a little bit of a timing dilemma because obviously you cant have people with the same names at the same time and of the same age group if they were indeed fans of the family. but then what do I know, I am just a corporate BS artist and not an archeologist or a scientist
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The Mystery can easily be solved, a match of DNA with Easa's (ES) Mother Mary who I think is located somewhere in the vicinity. can remove all doubt.............. Waallah ho Aalam!
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Regardless of it being a hoax or not, the Quran is clear:
“Innee Mutawaffeka wa Raafi’uka ilaeeya” translates to “I (not the Jews/Romans) brought you DEATH (TAWAFFA-WAFAAT-WFF) and EXALTED (RAAFIU’-RAFA’NA-RFA’) you to Me (not necessarily physically - RAFA’A is not necessarily a physical ascension)” same was stated as “wa rafa’naa laka zikraka” “And We EXALTED your Renown (O Prophet!)” …
I am pretty sure that finding a jackpot of 10 odd ossuaries is highly improbable, but what today’s muslims believe about Jesus (and his alleged ascent) through tradition is not necessarily true either.
regards
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Its totally possible Fraudia and sindagar. I'm interested in seeing how this all turns out. And now I'm beginning to look at that Quranic verse again. It just says that Jesus wasn't killed on the cross, as people think he was. (which is why we don't believe in the whole Easter deal).
But it doesn't say that he was taken up in bodily form either. It just says that God took him up. That could be a natural death too - I mean, God takes us all up? Am I mixing up the Islamic beliefs with Christian beliefs? If anyone can explain this better, I'd be obliged.
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PyariCgudia
You can read my post on that…
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Yes, the Qur'an says Jesus wasn't killed by Romans and Allah caused his death and traditional Muslim belief is wrong BUT this is just a Cameron stunt for ratings.. he didn't stumble upon anything.. Israelis are well known for their dubious revisionist archaelogical findings.. ...the gospel of Juda Isacriot comes to mind.
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does not make a difference to me...
because the person was cruicified and buried but was not Jesus though people thought he was Jesus so they would have buried him with that name...
does not shake my faith at all... The start was wrong to begin with :-)
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^ My view is similar to AQ, but my take is a bit different.
Regardless of who actually got crucified at the end, there is a possibility that Hazrat Isa's physical body could still be around. In my mind that doesn't contradict any thing in the Quran or my faith. So essentially its a non-issue.
From an academic stand point, I would have preferred if this "discovery" had come from a reputed scholar or archaeologist rather than a Hollywood movie producer; however thats neither here nor there. Far more interesting for me is the expected ping-pong and publicity whore-mongering that will go on now between people paddling to prove who is right; especially where it concerns the role of Mary Magdalene. Ever since Da Vinci Code came about, I now notice the attitudes of Christianity today towards Magdalene; and how a possible marriage between the two can have a seismic impact on some very fundamental Christian beliefs towards Jesus as well as towards women in general.
This may all be very interesting in days to come.
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no, they are saying that in this one place you hve the coffins of Mary (mariam), Mary (mary Magdalene), Jesus, Judah (son of jesus) etc. so i dont know if Mary can be buried in two places at the same time..
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because the person was cruicified and buried but was not Jesus though people thought he was Jesus so they would have buried him with that name...
does not shake my faith at all... The start was wrong to begin with :-)
i would like to ask u some follow up questions on this.
If somone who luked like Jusus was crucified, then can u blame the jews for not believing in him? According to their scriptures, a person who died on the cross was considered cursed from God and the whole reason jews were in favour of crucifying Jesus was to prove he was not a massenger of God.
When they see a person who luked so much like Jesus that even his own deciples were not able to differentiate between the two, could they be blamed for not believing him. Remember they did not know it wasnt jesus per ur theory.
Could the jews on the day of judgement not say to God, we didn't believe in jesus because we saw him dying on the cross? The millions of jews who have since lived and considered jesus to be a liar, have been the victim of some trick according to u?
why couldn't God prevent Jesus from being put on the cross, instead of coming up with this trick?
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If somone who luked like Jusus was crucified, then can u blame the jews for not believing in him? According to their scriptures, a person who died on the cross was considered cursed from God and the whole reason jews were in favour of crucifying Jesus was to prove he was not a massenger of God. When they see a person who luked so much like Jesus that even his own deciples were not able to differentiate between the two, could they be blamed for not believing him. Remember they did not know it wasnt jesus per ur theory.
Could the jews on the day of judgement not say to God, we didn't believe in jesus because we saw him dying on the cross? The millions of jews who have since lived and considered jesus to be a liar, have been the victim of some trick according to u?
why couldn't God prevent Jesus from being put on the cross, instead of coming up with this trick?
Jews wanted to crucify him after rejecting him already... when he had come with clear signs... Your argument is faulty to begin with... They rejected him after he told them about the teachings... Whole different topic...
by the way, does this finding shake the qadiyani belief of Jesus being burried in Kashmir?
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by the way, does this finding shake the qadiyani belief of Jesus being burried in Kashmir?
once they crucified him, they were proven right in their rejection weren't they?
and wot about the millions who were born later? they didn't see those signs, instead they heard from their elders that Jesus was crucified, therefore he wasn't a true massenger.
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Hence the coming of Prophet Muhammad:saw:
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Pls help me understand... what kind of scripture is that? Is it in Torah? I never heard of this before.
Secondly, this is a fairly circular argument. If jews' "scripture" said that a false messanger will come and the proof he is false is that he will be crucified; and so they crucify a person. Then you go and tell them that errrr.... you did not crucify the right person, and the real messanger was not crucified, so that is proof that he was the real deal. And they say, no if we were fooled by the resemblance then he WAS crucified and we WERE right. What kinda balooney hypotheticals are we talking about here??
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I saw the Larry King episode on this issue on cnn. Well thats what it come down to Hazrat Isa being used to make money, publicity ... its the height of materialism. He has done what he wanted --- gathered a huge audience for his movie.
Atleast Mel Gibson passionately believed the events protrayed in The Passion of the Christ.. this guy is just pathetic.
One thing I don't get ... why is the finding of bones so important? Why will that disprove his resurrection or ascension? I don't think finding bones proves anything even if they are Hazrat Isa's real bones which I don't think they will ever find. Plus his marrying to Mary Magdalene who is not mentioned anywhere in Quran/hadith is just plain absurd.
Quran just mentions he was raised and not crucified - thats it. There are other ayats which mention Jesus, his teachings, people calling him son of God (which by the way the notion did not originate with him), his asking god to send down food (Al-Imraan if I'm not wrong) etc.