Jamaat

[STA]

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^^I don't like being part of one sect or jamaat either but in Islam at some point you come across certain issues where you have to go with one school of thought or another.

agreed. it is good to follow one.

[STA]

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actually they never issue fatwas. I never heard them claiming that they are aalims. You are right about their purpose and they stick to the basics of this deen.

Yup, you are right.
but most people thinks that they are expert in fiqah or deen.

[Niksik]

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My friend said that he is going to 3 days for Jamaat. I know that someone thinks its "brainwash" and someone thinks its for good. I dont know almost anything about Jamaat so could someone tell me what that basically is and is it for good? And do u think my friend will change after that..?

I thin kyou've got enough replies for the first part of your thread. The second part about whether your friend will change or not really depends on your friend. Is he going there because he's being forced to, or is he there because he wants to make some changes in his life?

[DiTzY]

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Firenze, contrary to your extreme opinion probably derived from watching youtube videos of random people, I have personally interacted with many families where husbands are very active in tableegh jamaat activities. This is what I have to say:

1. These men are not extremists. Their goal is to remind the muslims of our basic fardh. it is NOT wrong to do that unlike the progessive muslims today who believe in the philosophy of "to each their own." It is fardh upon us to remind each other if we see someone going astray. We will be questioned about this on the day of judgement. So what they are doing is actually a very noble service to the muslim ummah.
2. They learn perserverance. All tableeghi men I know are self sufficient. They are more relaxed at home and learn to appreciate their wives better because they are reminded of their responsibilities as muslim men over and over again. Also, the fact that you do indeed get influenced by the company you keep comes into effect here as a tableeghi guy learns how other men deal with situations from the Islamic standpoint.

What I have issues with is when these men go on extended jamaats, sometimes they do not care about their primary sources of income. I know one brother who's lost his job 2 times because wanted to gp for the 40 day jamaat and his company had to let him go as he did not have sufficient vacation time. The other thing is sometimes, these folks do not consider the problems their families might face when they are gone for so long, especially if the wife cannot drive, etc.

Now I have a problem with that, but ask the wives of these jamaatis...they are some of the happiest women I have seen. Content and secure.

I couldn't have said it any better! especially the last line.

[diwana]

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@firenze

A fanatic in the making, stay away from him - one day he will explode or start championing his rights to beats women & kids with a danda which should not be more then half and inch thick (according to some religious text which he will quote while beating off course)

As far major changing concerns, well first he will starting to have darhi & shalwar up (gangsta style), in the meantime if he have any business & job that will be lost but he will call it the will of Allah - then he will start telling you to wear burkha, and don’t talk over the phone with na-mehram guys except him. With-in next six months as he have no job and no money in pocket, so well here is the turning point either he will become a walking zombie and explode or full extremist … and then he probably will forcibly marriage underage or under 20 girl and have fun and a kid in next 9 months but wait… first he will make sure of the ketchup on wedding night.. … then the life is continue .. and instead of working hard he will blame everything on the government and want Shariaah (as per his own understanding) and .. either kill someone or waiting for the time to receive orders from cave monkeys to start imposing dandey-wala-Islam in surrounding areas.

excerpt from the “a goat-lover in the making” by firenze.

Are you showing you are good in writing absolute rubbish? OR You seem to have a biased mind? Sure. It is proven.

Admittedly, few things may not be agreed upon by some people about them, but Tablighi Jammat has nothing to do with the absurdities you mentioned.

And I know you might come back with an example or two of incidences, still Tablighi Jamaat methods have been far from taking any danda in their hands, let alone suicide or killing acts.

P.S. Have not read the whole thread yet.

[Aceones]

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My experience with people who are part of Jamaat (that is, Tablighi Jamat in full, not to confuse it with Jamaat-e-islami or Jamiyat) has always been good. They are the coolest people I've always come across, always there to help you, encourage you in everything good. And non of them actually failed in their professions, they always excelled. except the case where the profession itself is not good as per Islam.

[CM]

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I still give our old driver a hard time because he went to he Jammat a few years ago. But there is no man I would trust my family with more. He is honest, trustworthy and doing very in his life. If only I had the power to do what he has done.

[Vari]

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i think its sort of get-together

[Jaanwar]

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Not everyone who is close to religion is a nutjob. Most of the tableeghi jamaat people I have come across are very friendly, cooperative, learned and honest. Quite a few of them travel around the globe, and influence people with their good behaviour, morals and conduct and actually manage to convert many people to islam.

I am quite obviously not that religious myself (not that I am proud of it), but at the same time I try not to blindly declare everyone who is inclined towards religion a terrorist/fanatic/extremist etc. While religious extremism is ugly, the redneck level of bias and ignorance is not pretty either. Bigotry is ugly no matter which side of the two extremes you choose to follow.

[Reha]

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The only issue I would have with Jamatis is how their families are left behind to deal with things alone. But as Niksik said, these women do not have any issues with it. One woman I know...let her husband go for 4 months. When you asked her if she ever got upset at his long absences (she has three kids)...she said no. She supports him 110% and will be there when he comes home.

Its amazing.

[fat_spartan]

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The only issue I would have with Jamatis is** how their families are left behind to deal with things alone.** But as Niksik said, these women do not have any issues with it. One woman I know...let her husband go for 4 months. When you asked her if she ever got upset at his long absences (she has three kids)...she said no. She supports him 110% and will be there when he comes home.

Its amazing.

That's hardly a trait exclusive to the TJs though. I've seen people leaving their families for longer periods of time to work or study overseas.

[Reha]

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That's hardly a trait exclusive to the TJs though. I've seen people leaving their families for longer periods of time to work or study overseas.

True but its common amongst them and thats my point. Sometimes its not feasible (even if the money is there) to leave your wife with three kids.

[firenze]

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firenze, do you pray 5 times a day?

Nope 2 or three, but what is the point of asking this ?

[Niksik]

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@Jaanwar

Not everyone who is close to religion is a nutjob. Most of the tableeghi jamaat people I have come across are very friendly, cooperative, learned and honest. Quite a few of them travel around the globe, and influence people with their good behaviour, morals and conduct and actually manage to convert many people to islam.

I am quite obviously not that religious myself (not that I am proud of it), but at the same time I try not to blindly declare everyone who is inclined towards religion a terrorist/fanatic/extremist etc. While religious extremism is ugly, the redneck level of bias and ignorance is not pretty either. Bigotry is ugly no matter which side of the two extremes you choose to follow.

omg, did someone hack into Jaanwar’s account

Like, totally fainting now.

[_RestLess]

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@Jaanwar

Bigotry is ugly no matter which side of the two extremes you choose to follow.

I agree with you dost, we all need to broaden our horizon, one cannot achieve anything with a narrow vision.

p.s. I aint no smoker, this is a emoticon for Chill. I m chillin`

[Crime_Master_GOGO]

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I had only heard about and read about "True sincerity", but when I met these people, I realized that there still are selfless people alive in this world. Never would you see them collecting "chanda" or cursing even the worst people of their time. The courtesy I saw in them is rare to find these days. The list goes on...when we talk of the majority...

May Allah (swt) bless us all with such passion and love for the ways of the Prophet (saw) and Suhaba (r.a).

[fat_spartan]

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I had only heard about and read about "True sincerity", but when I met these people, I realized that there still are selfless people alive in this world. Never would you see them collecting "chanda" or cursing even the worst people of their time. The courtesy I saw in them is rare to find these days. The list goes on...when we talk of the majority...

May Allah (swt) bless us all with such passion and love for the ways of the Prophet (saw) and Suhaba (r.a).

I also wanted to add that they have the best weddings IMO. Nice and simple and that's where I've always had the best food.

[Mirch]

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I had only heard about and read about "True sincerity", but when I met these people, I realized that there still are selfless people alive in this world. Never would you see them collecting "chanda" or cursing even the worst people of their time. The courtesy I saw in them is rare to find these days. The list goes on...when we talk of the majority...

May Allah (swt) bless us all with such passion and love for the ways of the Prophet (saw) and Suhaba (r.a).

Although I do not agree with their philosophy but I will second your impressions. These are my impressions too.

[TLK]

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I agree with the crowd here. Tableeghis are very fine and great people. Very humble, nice and polite.

[Mirch]

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@diwana

Are you showing you are good in writing absolute rubbish? OR You seem to have a biased mind? Sure. It is proven.

Admittedly, few things may not be agreed upon by some people about them, but Tablighi Jammat has nothing to do with the absurdities you mentioned.

And I know you might come back with an example or two of incidences, still Tablighi Jamaat methods have been far from taking any danda in their hands, let alone suicide or killing acts.

P.S. Have not read the whole thread yet.

I second that.