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well i m surprised, we also have tableeghies on gupshup...lol
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I don't think they have separated deen and duniya. Most tableeghis are professionals working in corporations at good positions. They do drive cars to works and use ATM cards. TV...now we all know how getting deeply involved with watching TV can do so some of these guys have eliminated it from their lives so that there is no chance of getting distracted. It may look like an extreme measure but will you believe it that in a 24 hour time period I watch TV for maybe 20 minutes? I don't miss it or feel the need to have it. If these folks choose not to turn it on, and can live with it, then why not.
What these people are basically doing is using their spare time towards nurturing their own deeni foundation and then spreading it on to others. If I got an opportunity to positively impact the life of even one muslim, I would accrue so many credit points towards my hisaab kitaab on the day of judgement...but how many of us actually even TRY to do that. We have become so politically correct that we hesitate to even mention to a friend who drinks that maybe he should consider quitting...or forget a friend, how many of us tell our own siblings to add one more namaz to their schedule?
So yes, the responsibility is of the entire community but if a group has been formed for that purpose, why are we getting threatened by it?
Regarding extremism, personally I don't know even one person out of the 40 some men we know in tableegh who are "extremists." In fact there are many other very independent wishy washy type, keep to themselves sort of folks who have probably never accomplished anything in their lives who become extremists just so they can belong to a self acclaimed class of martyrs and make a mark regardless of how negative it is.
Well said. Even I don't have a TV at home. I stopped watching it a long time ago and the last time I had a TV, it was just for my gaming consoles. Now I just use the computer monitor for that.
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My point is they are making it another 'jamat' just like jamat-e-islami and others. They are just being good Muslims by preaching Islam - that should not be a criteria of being part a jamat because it's the criteria of becoming a good Muslim for everyone. According to their ideology behind this jamat, they are the 'preachers', so does every muslim has to join the tableeghi jamat to start preaching Islam...?
They never say that you HAVE to join the tableegh to preach Islam. What they do is provide you with a means to preach Islam if you want to do it. You are free to Dawaa on your own, much like Dr. Zakir Naik but not everyone can do that, tableegh is just an easy way for people to fulfill this duty of Islam, it's like a place where like minded people can get together and do the preaching in an organised way, so people call them a jamaat. They stick to the basics and try to spread the religion. Jamat-e-islami is a political party which has nothing to do with the tableeghi jamat.
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I don't think they have separated deen and duniya. Most tableeghis are professionals working in corporations at good positions. They do drive cars to works and use ATM cards. TV...now we all know how getting deeply involved with watching TV can do so some of these guys have eliminated it from their lives so that there is no chance of getting distracted. It may look like an extreme measure but will you believe it that in a 24 hour time period I watch TV for maybe 20 minutes? I don't miss it or feel the need to have it. If these folks choose not to turn it on, and can live with it, then why not.
What these people are basically doing is using their spare time towards nurturing their own deeni foundation and then spreading it on to others. If I got an opportunity to positively impact the life of even one muslim, I would accrue so many credit points towards my hisaab kitaab on the day of judgement...but how many of us actually even TRY to do that. We have become so politically correct that we hesitate to even mention to a friend who drinks that maybe he should consider quitting...or forget a friend, how many of us tell our own siblings to add one more namaz to their schedule?
So yes, the responsibility is of the entire community but if a group has been formed for that purpose, why are we getting threatened by it?
Regarding extremism, personally I don't know even one person out of the 40 some men we know in tableegh who are "extremists." In fact there are many other very independent wishy washy type, keep to themselves sort of folks who have probably never accomplished anything in their lives who become extremists just so they can belong to a self acclaimed class of martyrs and make a mark regardless of how negative it is.
Exactly, I have seen many people involved in tableegh who are just as involved in duniya. Joining a tableegh does not mean you HAVE to give up the comforts of life, I know people who have been to tableegh yet at the same time are not that strict or hardline when it comes to tv, music, their jobs etc.
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I don't think they have separated deen and duniya. Most tableeghis are professionals working in corporations at good positions. They do drive cars to works and use ATM cards. TV...now we all know how getting deeply involved with watching TV can do so some of these guys have eliminated it from their lives so that there is no chance of getting distracted. It may look like an extreme measure but will you believe it that in a 24 hour time period I watch TV for maybe 20 minutes? I don't miss it or feel the need to have it. If these folks choose not to turn it on, and can live with it, then why not.
What these people are basically doing is using their spare time towards nurturing their own deeni foundation and then spreading it on to others. If I got an opportunity to positively impact the life of even one muslim, I would accrue so many credit points towards my hisaab kitaab on the day of judgement...but how many of us actually even TRY to do that. We have become so politically correct that we hesitate to even mention to a friend who drinks that maybe he should consider quitting...or forget a friend, how many of us tell our own siblings to add one more namaz to their schedule?
So yes, the responsibility is of the entire community but if a group has been formed for that purpose, why are we getting threatened by it?
Regarding extremism, personally I don't know even one person out of the 40 some men we know in tableegh who are "extremists." In fact there are many other very independent wishy washy type, keep to themselves sort of folks who have probably never accomplished anything in their lives who become extremists just so they can belong to a self acclaimed class of martyrs and make a mark regardless of how negative it is.
I don't call them extremists neither do I find them threatening. They are doing something very good yes, I absolutely agree but according to their founder's agenda, they do not incorporate science and hikmat into their dawah, even if they do in their personal lives. All medical sciences, engineering etc. are the execution of ilm - knowledge. How can you separate the theory and the practical especially when comes to Islam which is an execution of life in itself. That was my point. Every jamat works on a school of thought. The tableeghi's also have an established school of thought - that' what makes them a jamat.
What's the point of doing tableegh when your family has nothing to eat at home - this is a little extreme. I known such tableeghis.
I am against jamats, what does being ahl-e-sunnat mean, that one follows sunnat alone - what about Quran. Preaching, sunnah, hadees are all part of being good Muslims, we should not separate these roles and make groups. At least that's my opinion
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What's the point of doing tableegh when your family has nothing to eat at home - this is a little extreme. I known such tableeghis. I am against jamats, what does being ahl-e-sunnat mean, that one follows sunnat alone - what about Quran. Preaching, sunnah, hadees are all part of being good Muslims, we should not separate these roles and make groups. At least that's my opinion
Yes that is wrong but it's more a case of someone who does not have his priorities right, surely giving time to tableegh while neglecting your family that's in need is wrong and a sin in itself. As for groups I understand what you are trying to say, ahle-sunnat, ahle-hadith etc. these are all groups that identify themselves as different sects. I don't like to consider myself part of any particular sect either but as far as I've seen tableeghi guys don't consider themselves as part of a different group, yes most are Deobandis but jamaat itself is simply a group of people who want to spread Islam that anyone is welcome to join.
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I don't know if it's the same thing, but in my parents area they have a group of guys that knock everyones doors just before asr on weekends and invte the men of the house to pray in a jamaat in the masjid. They have always seemed decent, my dad and bros go with them if they are at home. I think it's quite a noble act although I do think they should knock on the doors of non-muslims and try to engage them also.
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It's a bigger responsibility to lead muslims back to the path of sirat al mustaqeem first before offering dawaah to a non muslim. We muslims are far from being perfect...regarding all these new programs such as ahle hadeeth and sunnah...these aren't really authentic schools of thoughts. At least the tableeghi folks follow the hanafi fiqh as taught by Deobandi ulema. This isn't a new or cute overnight revolutionary program but an authentic school of thought.
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It's a bigger responsibility to lead muslims back to the path of sirat al mustaqeem first before offering dawaah to a non muslim. We muslims are far from being perfect...regarding all these new programs such as ahle hadeeth and sunnah...these aren't really authentic schools of thoughts. At least the tableeghi folks follow the hanafi fiqh as taught by Deobandi ulema. This isn't a new or cute overnight revolutionary program but an authentic school of thought.
All schools of thought believe they are authentic, more authentic then the others.
"Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islamic Monotheism), and became sects, , each sect rejoicing in that which is with it." - Surah Ar-Rum
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It's a bigger responsibility to lead muslims back to the path of sirat al mustaqeem first before offering dawaah to a non muslim.
Well we may aswell never bother trying to spread the word of Islam to the non believers, we are so so so far away from a united ummah.
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It's not that complicated, guys. Dawah is fard on every muslim, as Niks already mentioned, and it is a noble deed.
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Well we may aswell never bother trying to spread the word of Islam to the non believers, we are so so so far away from a united ummah.
It's not that we don't have to bother. If there's an opportunity, then why not, but given that we are in closer association with other muslims, I think it's easier to remind ourselves.
pakwoman, while you are right that all schools of thoughts consider they are "better" you have to look up their lineage to recognize what is really authentic and what isn't.
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It's not that we don't have to bother. If there's an opportunity, then why not, but given that we are in closer association with other muslims, I think it's easier to remind ourselves.
I feel it's just as important to reach out to non muslims as it to muslims. We are blessed to have been raised as muslims, we are already on the path, we know where to seek further knowledge.
pakwoman, while you are right that all schools of thoughts consider they are "better" you have to look up their lineage to recognize what is really authentic and what isn't.
This is where it gets really hard, 'fringe groups' are cropping up everywhere claiming to practice the purest version of Islam, and even the slight questioning of their motives or beliefs gets you branded a blasphemer, inovator blah blah blah. Everyone believes their school of thought is the best, there is no unity.
Apologies for digressing.
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I feel it's just as important to reach out to non muslims as it to muslims. We are blessed to have been raised as muslims, we are already on the path, we know where to seek further knowledge.
I feel that too, it always feels so good to listen to reverts whose life changed after Islam and they are usually so grateful to whoever pointed them into the right direction. If there is any opportunity to reach out to a non-Muslim we should be doing it. This one british guy at uni converted simply because someone who knew him, gave him a translated english Quran as a gift. he was as far off Islam as one could be, one of those goth types and yet he accepted Islam. Goes to show that even little things we do can have a great effect. If anything reaching out to non-Muslims might be more important because you don't know if they will ever get the opportunity to learn the truth, while with your fellow Muslims you know that they are already aware of Islam.
Guiding one's own muslim brothers is also a duty at the same time but unfortunately we never do it, particularly because there is a fear of offending someone and sometimes because it might feel hypocritical when you yourself are not a model Muslim.
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again, whatever our association or lineage, but we still have a one thing common and that is prayer.
regardless of our school of thoughts, we always gather under one imam at the time of prayer.
so why we are dragging ourselves here and there.
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It's a bigger responsibility to lead muslims back to the path of sirat al mustaqeem first before offering dawaah to a non muslim. We muslims are far from being perfect...regarding all these new programs such as ahle hadeeth and sunnah...these aren't really authentic schools of thoughts. At least the tableeghi folks follow the hanafi fiqh as taught by Deobandi ulema. This isn't a new or cute overnight revolutionary program but an authentic school of thought.
@Niksik: appki to maloomat kafi wasee hai.
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@Niksik. The Hanafi school is one of the four schools of law in jurisprudence (Fiqh) within Sunni Islam, the other three schools of thought being Shafi’i, Maliki, and Hanbali. The Deobandi peers are also considered to be within the confines of *Sunni *Islam.
All of these four Imams are greatly honored by all religious scholars. Their views were a little different from each other but Islamic scholars say in order to understand the Quran better one should read the four books written by these imams. All four of them… not one, thus the international scholars do not give preference to one imam over the other. The Imams obviously never wanted to divide the people into sects.
@stayyabali, I oppose all schools of thoughts and sects. The only authentic way to follow is the way of Islam. The Quran says:-
“Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you.
Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done.” [6:159]
How can I associate or be part of any jamaat or sect after reading that.
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^^I don't like being part of one sect or jamaat either but in Islam at some point you come across certain issues where you have to go with one school of thought or another.
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^^I don't like being part of one sect or jamaat either but in Islam at some point you come across certain issues where you have to go with one school of thought or another.
Or just go by one of the four Imams, it necessarily doesn't have to be a sect... right? For example how to pray, their are minor differences b/w the teachings... you can read and decide for yourself which one seems right to you - if you decide to go by Imam Hanifa's teachings, it doesn't make you a Sunni. The Sunni school of thought says it's okay to say "Ya Allah Ya Muhammad (p.b.u.h)", I don't agree with this because Allah is the only Entity present every where, yet I pray in accordance to the Hanafi teachings. The sectarianism is wrong, we are all Muslims following the teachings of Quran.
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Or just go by one of the four Imams, it necessarily doesn't have to be a sect... right? For example how to pray, their are minor differences b/w the teachings... you can read and decide for yourself which one seems right to you - if you decide to go by Imam Hanifa's teachings, it doesn't make you a Sunni. The Sunni school of thought says it's okay to say "Ya Allah Ya Muhammad (p.b.u.h)", I don't agree with this because Allah is the only Entity present every where, yet I pray in accordance to the Hanafi teachings. The sectarianism is wrong, we are all Muslims following the teachings of Quran.
Yeah I'm also a lot like that, I read Namaz according to the way I've been taught in school, that would the school of thought that Saudis follow but it's what I'm comfortable with now. I don't like to follow just one school of thought, I like to read all viewpoints on a certain issue before I decide what feels right to me. I'm not sure how correct my approach is as people have told me that in Islam you have to pick one school of thought and then stick to it for all matters, I however can't bring myself to do that.