Israeli terrorists kill schoolkids! / 13-year old girl [Merged]

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This thread is not about darfur so please stick to the topic. There was other thread about darfur, so you can go there rant about it.
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You are right about this not being the Darfur thread - however pointing out about Darfur (in the Darfur thread) would not be "ranting", far from it.

Back to this thread - the zionist ethnic cleansing will continue, with the blessing of the US regimes. Unfortunately the Muslim leaders don't give a hoot about this genocide, otherwise the solution is pretty straight forward - boycott, seriously, US goods and services. Malaysia did that against the Brits, cancelling defence contracts etc. and after six months the Brits came back on their knees asking to be forgiven etc.

When islamic terrorists are multipying; when muslim countries cant control their people; when sunni muslims kill shia muslims; when muslims support the murder of innocents by muslims; when muslims cant read; when not one muslim country has a clean record with amnesty int...Israel's a lovely scapegoat.

Oh I see, then please enlighten us who really did kill the school children? I guess all those reports got it wrong. :hehe:

Keep it up, shabaash, you’ll get a green card sooner or later for your exhaustive efforts.

Maybe OG knows more about the IDF operations than the Israeilis themselves. Following are some excerpts from an Israeli newspaper, not muslim/arab/etc.

Killing children is no longer a big deal
By Gideon Levy

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More than 30 Palestinian children were killed in the first two weeks of Operation Days of Penitence in the Gaza Strip. It’s no wonder that many people term such wholesale killing of children “terror.” Whereas in the overall count of all the victims of the intifada the ratio is three Palestinians killed for every Israeli killed, when it comes to children the ratio is 5:1. According to B’Tselem, the human rights organization, even before the current operation in Gaza, 557 Palestinian minors (below the age of 18) were killed, compared to 110 Israeli minors.

With horrific statistics like this, the question of who is a terrorist should have long since become very burdensome for every Israeli. Yet it is not on the public agenda. Child killers are always the Palestinians, the soldiers always only defend us and themselves, and the hell with the statistics.

The plain fact, which must be stated clearly, is that the blood of hundreds of Palestinian children is on our hands. No tortuous explanation by the IDF Spokesman’s Office or by the military correspondents about the dangers posed to soldiers by the children, and no dubious excuse by the public relations people in the Foreign Ministry about how the Palestinians are making use of children will change that fact. An army that kills so many children is an army with no restraints, an army that has lost its moral code.

As MK Ahmed Tibi (Hadash) said, in a particularly emotional speech in the Knesset, it is no longer possible to claim that all these children were killed by mistake. An army doesn’t make more than 500 day-to-day mistakes of identity. No, this is not a mistake but the disastrous result of a policy driven mainly by an appallingly light trigger finger and by the dehumanization of the Palestinians. Shooting at everything that moves, including children, has become normative behavior.

At least in some of these cases it was clear to the soldiers that they were shooting at children, but that didn’t stop them. Palestinian children have no refuge: mortal danger lurks for them in their homes, in their schools and on their streets. Not one of the hundreds of children who have been killed deserved to die, and the responsibility for their killing cannot remain anonymous. Thus the message is conveyed to the soldiers: it’s no tragedy to kill children and none of you is guilty.

The public indifference that accompanies this pageant of unrelieved suffering makes all Israelis accomplices to a crime. Even parents, who understand what anxiety for a child’s fate means, turn away and don’t want to hear about the anxiety harbored by the parent on the other side of the fence. Who would have believed that Israeli soldiers would kill hundreds of children and that the majority of Israelis would remain silent? Even the Palestinian children have become part of the dehumanization campaign: killing hundreds of them is no longer a big deal.

13 year old girl shot by cannibals of israel

i missed this news, but when i read this article, i swear to Allah tears came to my eyes. how do i even word it? is IDF staffed by humans or some amazon canibal tribe runs the selection board? they will be better than the IDF soldiers.

A schoolgirl riddled with bullets. And no one is to blame

Questions remain after Israeli unit commander is cleared of Palestinian pupil’s death

Chris McGreal in Rafah
Thursday October 21, 2004
The Guardian

The undisputed facts are these: it was broad daylight, 13-year-old Iman al-Hams was wearing her school uniform, and when she walked into the Israeli army’s “forbidden zone” at the bottom of her street she was carrying her satchel. A few minutes later the short, slight child was pumped with bullets. Doctors counted at least 17 wounds and said much of her head was destroyed.
Beyond that there is little agreement between the army top brass and Palestinian witnesses as to how Iman came to die last week, or even among members of the military unit responsible for killing the child in Gaza’s Rafah refugee camp.

Palestinian witnesses described the shooting as cold-blooded. They say soldiers could not have failed to see they were firing at a child, and she was killed as she already lay wounded and helpless.

“Some soldiers were lying on the ground and shooting very heavily toward her,” said Basim Breaka, who saw the killing from her living room. “Then one of the soldiers walked to her and emptied his clip into her. For sure she died on the second or third bullet. I could see her lying on the ground, not moving. I can’t imagine why that soldier wanted to shoot her after she was dead.”

This week an army investigation cleared the unit’s commander after some of his own soldiers accused him of giving the order to shoot knowing the target was a young girl, and of then emptying the clip of his automatic rifle into her.

On the day she died, Iman left home shortly before 7am for the short walk to school in Rafah’s Tal al-Sultan neighbourhood. The school, facing the heavily militarised border with Egypt, is under the shadow of a towering camouflaged Israeli gunpost.

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Like almost every other building in the area, Iman’s school is pockmarked by bullets. Last year, a 13-year-old boy was shot dead by the army outside the school. This year, two pupils and a teacher were wounded by bullets inside the grounds.

Iman walked past her school with her satchel over her shoulder, crossed the road and climbed down a small sandy bank to an area that was an olive and citrus orchard until the army’s bulldozers flattened it in April. She had entered the “forbidden zone” next to the watchtower where any Palestinian risks being shot.

The schoolgirl kept on walking toward the tower but was still several hundred metres away when two shots caught her in the leg. She dropped her bag, turned, tried to hobble away, and fell.

Four or five soldiers emerged from the army post and shot at her from a distance. Palestinian witnesses and some Israeli soldiers say that the platoon commander moved in closer to put two bullets in the child’s head. They say that he then walked away, turned back and fired a stream of bullets into her body.

Iman’s corpse was taken to Rafah’s hospital and inspected by Dr Mohammed al-Hams. “She has at least 17 bullets in several parts of the body, all along the chest, hands, arms, legs,” he said. “The bullets were large and shot from a close distance. The most serious injuries were to her head. She had three bullets in the head. One bullet was shot from the right side of the face beside the ear. It had a big impact on the whole face. Another bullet went from the neck to the face and damaged the area under the mouth.”

The doctor said that the nature of the wounds suggested that Iman was already dead when some of the bullets hit her. The army swiftly blamed Iman for her own death by entering the forbidden zone. At first, the military said soldiers suspected the girl was carrying a bomb in her satchel. When it turned out there was no bomb, it said she was being used by Palestinian combatants to lure troops from their post.

But some soldiers in the unit responsible, the Shaked battalion, were outraged at what they saw as a cover-up. One told Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper that a soldier in the watchtower had told the company commander that he was about to shoot a child: “Don’t shoot, it’s a little girl”.

“The company commander approached her, shot two bullets into her, walked back towards the force, turned back to her, switched his weapon to automatic and emptied his entire magazine into her. We were in shock. We couldn’t believe what he was doing. Our hearts ached for her. Just a girl of 13,” a soldier told the newspaper.

Other soldiers said that if the company commander was not dismissed they would refuse to serve under him: “It is a disgrace that he is still in his position. We want him kicked out.”

The accounts of Palestinian witnesses back the claims of the protesting soldiers.

Fuad Zourob was working at a small brick factory overlooking the area where Iman was shot. "The girl was walking in the sand. She was shot from the army post. She was hit in the leg and she was crawling.

“Then she stood up and started to try and run and then she fell. The shooting went on. The soldiers arrived by foot. One came close to the girl and started to shoot. He walked away, turned back and then shot her some more,” he said.

Yousef Breaka watched from the balcony of his second floor flat. He owns the 12 acres of bulldozed land beside the building which Iman crossed minutes before she was shot.

“The first shot came from the army post. It hit her in the leg. She was starting to walk on and then fell. She dropped her bag. They were firing, heavy shooting. I am sure she died before the two soldiers came and shot her bag and then her,” he said.

Mr Breaka’s living room wall is decorated with the holes of nine bullets fired from the Israeli army watchtower two years ago. A tenth bullet killed his 80-year-old mother, Jindiya.

Neither Iman’s father, Samir al-Hams, nor the witnesses know why the girl walked into the forbidden zone.

“I can’t explain why she was there. I’ve asked everyone and no one can explain it. Perhaps she just wanted to walk on the sand. Perhaps she was confused. I don’t know,” said Mr al-Hams.

Mr Zourob was surprised to see Iman walking at the back of his factory. “I was astonished. I didn’t know why she was there. No one goes toward that area. She was alone but some of the schoolchildren were calling her: Iman, why are you there?” he said.

The watchtower sits atop a large hill of sand. It is surrounded by barbed wire and other defences. Even before she was hit in the leg, it would have taken Iman 10 minutes or more to scramble up the hill. Once she was wounded, there was little chance she could have got to the watchtower.

If she was carrying a bomb, it could have harmed Israeli troops had she got close enough to them. But after Iman was shot in the leg she dropped her school bag.

Palestinian witnesses say soldiers pumped it full of bullets, establishing that it was not a bomb, but still went on to shoot the girl.

The Israeli army’s rules of engagement permit soldiers to wound a person who enters a security zone and does not heed warning shots to leave. But once the person is wounded, soldiers are only permitted to kill if there is an imminent threat to their lives. Witnesses say Iman was helpless and posed no such threat.

Her father is a teacher at a primary school neighbouring his daughter’s. “The day Iman was killed, the headmistress of her school called me at 8.15 and asked why she wasn’t at school. I said I had no idea.,” he said.

“I ran to the school. The teachers and headmistress told me the army shot toward a small girl but she was fine, don’t worry. I calmed down a bit when I heard that and thought maybe they shot toward her to make her afraid and arrested her for interrogation and they will release her. But then they declared her dead. That was the worst moment in my life.”

This week, the officer responsible for the Gaza strip, Major General Dan Harel, completed his investigation and pronounced that the company commander had not acted unethically in the shooting of Iman but was being suspended for losing the confidence of his soldiers.

The speed of the investigation has revealed once again the cursory nature of the army’s inquiries into such shootings. A more thorough investigation usually only follows if there is external pressure, such as in the case of three Britons shot dead by Israeli soldiers over the past two years.

The military has quietly dropped an investigation into the killing by an Israeli sniper of a brother and sister, both teenagers, in Rafah in May. The army falsely claimed that the pair were killed by a Palestinian bomb and only began the investigation after journalists found the bodies of the children and reported that both had a single shot to the head.

Under pressure from the revelations of the Shaked battalion soldiers, the military police has launched a separate investigation into the death of Iman al-Hams. The soldiers say they will insist that it is completed

Re: 13 year old girl shot by cannibals of israel

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This week, the officer responsible for the Gaza strip, Major General Dan Harel, completed his investigation and pronounced that **the company commander had not acted unethically in the shooting of Iman
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*...a soldier in the watchtower had told the company commander that he was about to shoot a child: "Don't shoot, it's a little girl".

"The company commander approached her, shot two bullets into her, walked back towards the force, turned back to her, switched his weapon to automatic and emptied his entire magazine into her."*


This is ethical behaviour, Israeli style.

this is typical behaviour from a cowardly bunch of squatters like the israelis.

Emptying a machine gun into a little kid :yukh: :yukh:

the israelis are no different then the barbaric Amerikkkans in iraq they both occupy lands and both butcher innocents!

I still find it deeply disturbing that one human being would say about another that his execution of a wounded child, followed by the mutilation of her body, is not unethical.

It also provides a disturbing insight into the twisted minds of Israel's military leaders, that they would promote 3 times a man who thinks like this.

Ah first, how many threads do w need open on the same subject. Second, try as I might I could find no evidence of cannibalism here. Third, the soldier was indicted by the IDF.

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Ah first, how many threads do w need open on the same subject. Second, try as I might I could find no evidence of cannibalism here. Third, the soldier was indicted by the IDF.
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First, I only see one thread, don't know which forum you're on.
Second, metaphors: look it up.
Third, oh shock horror the guy gets to pay a fine of a few bucks or better yet gets a few days off.

Aaah, the deafening silence. Don't expect a shoulder to cry on when what goes around comes around.

The human race has reached to an extremely sad stage.

These kind of stories have become so common, that you read them every now and then and get used to it. And that is really disturbing.

First, you did not look very hard, as usual: "Israeli terrorists kill schoolkids!"

Second, it is an innaccurate metaphor, and moderators used to have enough class to change obviously emotionally charged thread titles.

Third, as discussed in the thread which you cannot find, the IDF commander was turned in by his own soldiers, and faces prison. When the PA does that we will talk...

This is yet another example of the Anti-Isreal hate that is allowed to exist on this site. If I called a Muslim a cannibal, you all would scream bloody murder.

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The human race has reached to an extremely sad stage.

These kind of stories have become so common, that you read them every now and then and get used to it. And that is really disturbing.
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very well said umer.......it is really disturbing that we all are getting used to these news...........some time u dont even know how to react..... A shear hatred prevails your nerves for a second and you want to go and blow all of your enemies.......and the very next second, you are thinking what the hell, this bloodshed will never going to stop no matter how many suicide bombs are expolded, so forget about it.....It is very sad indeed....we have already discussed in detail at this froum that apparently there is no viable soultion to the middle east cancer right now.....But i really hope there will be one......probably not in our lifetimes....

InshaAllah in our lifetimes. Hope for the best.

First, that was a separate incident. Or maybe you think child killings are insignificant and only deserve mention once? God knows how many hostage threads we had.

Second, a metaphor nonetheless. If you have a problem with the thread title, I am sure you are more than welcome to notify the mods.

Third, under your criteria, when the whole army is behind bars then we will talk. Please don’t make me dig up reports of the Israel Army COLLECTIVELY massacring civilians nearly everyday of the week. You talk about this one person as if its one off incident :hehe:

I hate to break it to you, but this is dominantly Pakistani Muslim site, for Pakistani Muslims by Pakistani Muslims. If you wish to call Muslims cannibals I doubt you would be hard pressed to find forums all across the Internet that do just that.

How dare you call Jews are terrorist...

“First, that was a separate incident.”

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You mean that the IDF killed TWO 13 year old children named Iman al-Hams! Learn to read moron.

Second, we could post the same story about unguided rockets killing Israeli kids the day before.

This is a Pakistani web site? I am shocked.

Yep, beat around the bush, poke holes and take potshots, do everything except address the issue on hand. How very predictable of you.

You really want a countdown between civilian deaths inflicted by Israelis and Palestinians? What a mismatch!

"Yep, beat around the bush, poke holes and take potshots, do everything except address the issue on hand. How very predictable of you.

You really want a countdown between civilian deaths inflicted by Israelis and Palestinians? What a mismatch!"

No, this had simply been brought up before.

I am very familiar with the casualty figures. They must not seem that awful to the Palestinians however, as the leadership could call for the end of the Intifada II any day, and the vast majority of the casualties would end in an instant. So somewhere in the heads of the Palestinian leadership is either a hate for the Israeli's more than the love of their own people, or a cold calculation that the casualties are acceptable and work to make them better victims.

Oddly enough, when that wall gets finished this type of thing will largely end. Is that your point?

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as the leadership could call for the end of the Intifada II any day, and the vast majority of the casualties would end in an instant.
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This is such a simplistic view. Do you seriously believe that there is a single person or entity that can call off Intifada II?

I am not even going to the complex issue of having the political will to do it unilaterally, but simply questioning the wisdom of blaming a so-called "Palestinian leadership" when we all know that no one person or group controls all the different factions of Palestinians, and infact most of them are bitter enemies of each other and have political and military aims that are poles apart.

The solution, as hard as it seems, obviously is, to provide some political support to the biggest group of Palestinians (Maybe PLO, maybe someone else) and give some kinda peace roadmap, so this group can convince their own people to stop supporting the violent outfits and bring different brands of saner Palestinian political leadership on a table to formulate a strategy. And at the same time this Palestinian 'government' should be given arms and resources, so they can rein in the violent elements amongst Palestinian groups. Building a wall is not only short-sightedness, but is counter-productive.