Israeli forces kill 12 Palestinians in Gaza raid

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Re: Israeli forces kill 12 Palestinians in Gaza raid

@Matrubhoomi

One important and the simplest point which is ignored by Ummah brigade is this --

Hamas, Hezbollah and other terror outfits should acknowledge that "Israel has a** right to exist"**

And these groups are NOT even ready to agree on this.....they openly call for destruction of Israel.

Forget Israel, How can any sovereign nation in the world will talk "peace" with such radical groups who do not care to accept that the other side has a right to co-exist?

And then ummah goes frenzy, crying that it's Israel, destroying "peace" . Bloody Hypocrites.

Read the above post you bloddy genius! Why should anyone accept Israels "right" to exist... Its has no such right unless it earns it. Stealing others land and kicking them out of their homeland doesnt entitle you to anyones sympathy.

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@hareem01

So you don't condemn the killing of a 12 years old boy either.......Why? Because he's a muslim? I can clearly see the hatred of some non-muslims for muslims here. And Israili terrorists not gonna stop these killings even after we accept them. Stay away from this thread and start another thread if you want where you can parchaar your hateful biassed views. We are good without your advice. Kaafir.

Yeah, yeah, this rice eating Kaafir has already been warned for using that magical word "bloody".

But still you or anyone else here can't reply in straight and simple words that why Israelis don't have a right to exist??
Is this such a difficult question to answer.

And why I used the word Ummah is that you people are repeatedly saying "we accept them".
We means what? Palestinians?....so why you are using we....isn't it Ummah thing?

[Matrubhoomi]

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@PaKpatriot1

Read the above post you bloddy genius! Why should anyone accept Israels "right" to exist... Its has no such right unless it earns it. Stealing others land and kicking them out of their homeland doesnt entitle you to anyones sympathy.

So what is solution according to you.

Talking "peace" or blowing-up each other.

And still any neutral person will consider this as a radical extremist view that 'Israelis donot have right to exist, they have to earn it from Ummah"

I thought all humans in every nation have a right to exist, irrespective of their dispute with neighbors.

Disputes can be resolved, without neglecting "right to exist".

Again, this word "right to exist" has much deeper meaning, it can only be realized when one sincerely thinks out of "Muslim brotherhood" kind of ideology.

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Re: Israeli forces kill 12 Palestinians in Gaza raid

the israellis are always at it. the official reason and training doctrine is they kill to highlight their struggle.

they plan to kill
they aim to kill

those with those aims may get killed. israel is its own enemy

[Seminole]

Re: Israeli forces kill 12 Palestinians in Gaza raid

20 found beheaded along the banks of the Tigris today. Another 20 dead at a bus station in Bahgdad.

But let’s keep saying prayers for this 12 year old in Gaza since he was killed by a Jew. Apparantely we don’t give a rats ass about these Muslims being killed at the hand ofs other Muslims.

Sorry, folks. I just find this selective outrage appallingly hypocritical.

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@Matrubhoomi

Yeah, yeah, this rice eating Kaafir has already been warned for using that magical word "bloody".

good

@Matrubhoomi

But still you or anyone else here can't reply in straight and simple words that why Israelis don't have a right to exist?? Is this such a difficult question to answer.

Your question has been answered in picoico and Prince Abbas's posts. If you want to discuss more about that issue you can open a new thread.

@Matrubhoomi

And why I used the word Ummah is that you people are repeatedly saying "we accept them". We means what? Palestinians?....so why you are using we....isn't it Ummah thing?

You can use word Ummah, I didn't object, or did I? We means muslims.(at least when I say we, I mean muslims):)

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@Seminole

20 found beheaded along the banks of the Tigris today. Another 20 dead at a bus station in Bahgdad.

MgarMuch kay Aansoo

@Seminole

But let’s keep saying prayers for this 12 year old in Gaza since he was killed by a Jew.** Apparantely we don’t give a rats ass about these Muslims being killed at the hand ofs other Muslims.**

Sorry, folks. I just find this selective outrage appallingly hypocritical.

Why are you saying this? And that 12 years old was killed by an Israili terrorist and not by a Jew or Christian. Understand?

Let me tell you what is hypocritical: (your words)**Almost as sad, but obviously not worthy of any threads, condemnation or prayers on gupshup. **

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@hareem01

MgarMuch kay Aansoo

Yaar Hareem u sound like a Bari Amma here …

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@Seminole

20 found beheaded along the banks of the Tigris today. Another 20 dead at a bus station in Bahgdad.

But let’s keep saying prayers for this 12 year old in Gaza since he was killed by a Jew. Apparantely we don’t give a rats ass about these Muslims being killed at the hand ofs other Muslims.

Sorry, folks. I just find this selective outrage appallingly hypocritical.

Semi I know you can read very well. Did you not read the title of this thread?

[Seminole]

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I sure did, and all the off topic responses that followed that try to explain why Israel has no right to exist. I also read the thread harrem01 started in response to my 'selective outrage' post where she implies it is America's fault (or actions) that are causing Muslims to behead each other and to blow up each others' wives and children at bus stops.

If we can talk about the 3000 year history of the Holy Land in a thread about a boy dying while Israel was defending itself against terrorists, surely I can question why this outrage and sadness is only reserved for Muslims killed by Jews. Do you know how many scores of Palestinians were killed by other Palestinians this past month? Do you care? Why is it such a stretch for me to wonder aloud why this same passion isn't applied?

There are scores of Muslims killed by Muslims every day in Iraq. Are those deaths less tragic? What if Israelis starting beheading Palestinians, or randomly killing them at bus stops, would we start ignoring those Muslim deaths too?

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@Seminole

I sure did, and all the off topic responses that followed that try to explain why Israel has no right to exist. I also read the thread harrem01 started in response to my ‘selective outrage’ post** where she implies it is America’s fault (or actions) that are causing Muslims to behead each other and to blow up each others’ wives and children at bus stops**.

Who told you that muslims are beheading and blowing up each other?

@Seminole

If we can talk about the 3000 year history of the Holy Land in a thread about a boy dying while Israel was defending itself against terrorists, surely I can question why this outrage and sadness is only reserved for Muslims killed by Jews. Do you know how many scores of Palestinians were killed by other Palestinians this past month? Do you care? Why is it such a stretch for me to wonder aloud why this same passion isn’t applied?

There are scores of Muslims killed by Muslims every day in Iraq. Are those deaths less tragic? What if Israelis starting beheading Palestinians, or randomly killing them at bus stops, would we start ignoring those Muslim deaths too?

Yes, If any muslim gets hurt in any part of the world, I feel his/her pain. If you feel more pain of dying muslims then you should also start some threads about them, instead of complaining.:halo:

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@USResident

Yaar Hareem u sound like a Bari Amma here …

Yaar? I’m not a male.

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@Seminole

I sure did, and all the off topic responses that followed that try to explain why Israel has no right to exist. I also read the thread harrem01 started in response to my 'selective outrage' post where she implies it is America's fault (or actions) that are causing Muslims to behead each other and to blow up each others' wives and children at bus stops.

If we can talk about the 3000 year history of the Holy Land in a thread about a boy dying while Israel was defending itself against terrorists, surely I can question why this outrage and sadness is only reserved for Muslims killed by Jews. Do you know how many scores of Palestinians were killed by other Palestinians this past month? Do you care? Why is it such a stretch for me to wonder aloud why this same passion isn't applied?

There are scores of Muslims killed by Muslims every day in Iraq. Are those deaths less tragic? What if Israelis starting beheading Palestinians, or randomly killing them at bus stops, would we start ignoring those Muslim deaths too?

So you follow the crowd. You know I would expect experienced guppies like you to help contain the discussion relevant to the thread than add another tangent to it.

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@hareem01

Yaar? I’m not a male.

Larki, yaar is gender neutral … oops ur not Larki either. Khaatoon.

[Seminole]

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@hareem01

Who told you that muslims are beheading and blowing up each other?

You yourself opened a thread on this, so I guess I could say you. Surely you are not implying it’s Americans or Jews doing this?

Yes, If any muslim gets hurt in any part of the world, I feel his/her pain. If you feel more pain of dying muslims then you should also start some threads about them, instead of complaining.:halo:

The difference with me is that I don’t take a person’s religion into consideration on whether or not I feel their pain. It appears that you also consider the religion of those inflicting the pain on whether or not you feel their pain. My religion doesn’t allow me to be so biased and arbitrary in my compassion for others.

@USResident

So you follow the crowd. You know I would expect experienced guppies like you to help contain the discussion relevant to the thread than add another tangent to it.

Sorry, but it is very relevant unless I want to open a thread entitled “Why are Muslims that are killed by other Muslims ignored?” and I’m not much of a thread starter. Besides I would have to repeat that thread every so often since it is demonstrated in thread after threa.

BTW, if I was following the crowd, I’d be blaming the Jews for everything including the price of tea in China.

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@Seminole

Sorry, but it is very relevant unless I want to open a thread entitled "Why are Muslims that are killed by other Muslims ignored?" and I'm not much of a thread starter. Besides I would have to repeat that thread every so often since it is demonstrated in thread after threa.

BTW, if I was following the crowd, I'd be blaming the Jews for everything including the price of tea in China.

Well I guess your following the wrong crowd. Just a matter of relative opinion. You can't right the wrongs of the Israelis by wronging the rights of muslims and the wrongs of muslims do not make the wrongs of Israelis right either.

[Seminole]

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I agree. I don't pretend anything regarding the Israeli/Palestinian justifies the killing of Muslims by Muslims in Iraq. What I'm saying is the compassion, anger and indignation over the suffering of one group far outweighs that of the other group. I just want to know why.

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@Seminole

I agree. I don't pretend anything regarding the Israeli/Palestinian justifies the killing of Muslims by Muslims in Iraq. What I'm saying is the compassion, anger and indignation over the suffering of one group far outweighs that of the other group. I just want to know why.

Because the suffering of Palestinians far outweighs that of Israelis..
Israel is better of economicaly, it recieves more support and sympathy then any other nation.
Israel has a powerful lobby which voices the Israeli POV and influences decisions in Israels favor, while the Palestinians, have no way of airing similar grievances.
In fact, Democracy, the apple of America and Europes eye, and the true measure of the peoples needs, is denied in Palestine when the rightfuly elected representatives of Paletine are pressurized to step down.
Israel terrorizes and traumitizes Palestinains from the day they are born... The check points are the cruelest cut. How would you react to hearing a woman being forced to give birth at a check point because some Israeli soldier refused to allow her across...
The Israeli settlements, illegal by all accounts and yet these people live exceptionaly comfortable lives compared to the refugees outside their windows..
There are villages where there is hardly a drop of water and inside the sttlement they have rose gardens and green lawns! What could be worse then hording water in the Middle East.
We have all seen picture of cruel Israeli soldiers beating Palestinians, remember the film of the three soldiers breaking the arms of the Palestinian man with a rock?
Imagine how much we dont see.
The fact that people like you who claim to be non biased, are so vehmently pro Israel speaks volumes...
Israel doesnt need our support, they have people like you and millions of dollars to spend on propaganda to put foward there zionist totalitarian beliefs.
Stil wondering WHY Israel has a Right to exist... I know its become cliche, but what gives them that right? Because they won a war?

AND NO ONE IS BLAMING THE JEWS FOR THE PRICE OF TEA IN CHINA... Typical propagandist bs... Any kind of resentment or criricsm of Israel is automaticaly labeled as Anti semetic.
Its the defens of every Israeli supporter... Israel can get away with anything and anyone who disagree's is anti semetic..
I wish Pakistan were so clever.. The next time an Indian critisizes it m we can claim they are anti Muslims aswell!

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Re: Israeli forces kill 12 Palestinians in Gaza raid

@Matrubhoomi

So what is solution according to you.

Talking "peace" or blowing-up each other.

And still any neutral person will consider this as a radical extremist view that 'Israelis donot have right to exist, they have to earn it from Ummah"

I thought all humans in every nation have a right to exist, irrespective of their dispute with neighbors.

Disputes can be resolved, without neglecting "right to exist".

Again, this word "right to exist" has much deeper meaning, it can only be realized when one sincerely thinks out of "Muslim brotherhood" kind of ideology.

Peace means finding a solution that works for everyone... And that means not being biased against Palestinians.

And no, im not an extremist, but I am wondering WHY they should exist.. There is no such concept as the RIGHT to exist.
If a country has a right to exist, its because it has earned that right... Israel has earned no such right.
Another example of this ridiculous notion that anyone who is against ISRAEL is an extermist... You speak volumes for your own extemists views.

Peace means we TOLERATE Israel, Israel only has the right to be TOLERATED! But we dont need to give it some vague title od a state with the RIGHT to exist...

Read the above article to understand why Palestinaisn or anyone else, should recognize this so called right.

I am not an extremist, but I am someone who like to examine things without the being influenced by propaganda... The extemist is you, who are so vehmently one sided and so painfuly eager to appear openi minded that you completly ignore the other side. Try to understand the concept here buddy...
The RIGHT TO EXIST does have a deepr notion which you completely missed, and if you would look outside your pseudo intelectual box, you would understand why...
AGAIN BEFORE RANTING AND RAVING... READ THAT ARTICLE.

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For Matrubhomi and others who have the words "right to exist" implaneted into their genetic structure...

"There is an enormous difference between "recognizing Israel's existence" and "recognizing Israel's right to exist." From a Palestinian perspective, the difference is in the same league as the difference between asking a Jew to acknowledge that the Holocaust happened and asking him to concede that the Holocaust was morally justified. For Palestinians to acknowledge the occurrence of the Nakba – the expulsion of the great majority of Palestinians from their homeland between 1947 and 1949 – is one thing. For them to publicly concede that it was "right" for the Nakba to have happened would be something else entirely. For the Jewish and Palestinian peoples, the Holocaust and the Nakba, respectively, represent catastrophes and injustices on an unimaginable scale that can neither be forgotten nor forgiven.

To demand that Palestinians recognize "Israel's right to exist" is to demand that a people who have been treated as subhumans unworthy of basic human rights publicly proclaim that they are subhumans. It would imply Palestinians' acceptance that they deserve what has been done and continues to be done to them. Even 19th-century US governments did not require the surviving native Americans to publicly proclaim the "rightness" of their ethnic cleansing by European colonists as a condition precedent to even discussing what sort of land reservation they might receive. Nor did native Americans have to live under economic blockade and threat of starvation until they shed whatever pride they had left and conceded the point. "

So heck no, we should never give credibility to the zionist state by recognizing some vague concept as the "right to exist"