GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli forces killed at least 12 Palestinians, included a 12 years old boy on Wednesday in the deadliest raid in Gaza since Hamas seized the territory, medical workers said.
A 12-year-old lay in the street, his arms twisted at odd angles, near a house in a Gaza City neighborhood where residents and medical workers said a shell fired by an Israeli tank had caused an explosion.
He was pronounced dead in a hospital along with two men, their bodies shredded by shrapnel. Residents said the men were civilians.
A military spokesman in Tel Aviv said a tank shell fired in Gaza City’s Shejaia neighborhood was aimed at a gunman, and he had no information about a house being hit.:halo: …
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Most of the dead were terrorists, nice that they hide behind children isn't it? And Israel gives to shtis about spreading democracy in Gaza, the govt. in charge there has a goal of destroying them. While you may hope Israel sits back while they try and achieve that goal that's not going to be the case.
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Almost as sad as the scores that were killed and war crimes committed ealier this month when Palestinians were killing Palestinians. During which human rights groups reported that hospitals were turned into battlegrounds, ambulances were prevented from reaching the wounded and peace demonstrators were shot dead.
Almost as sad, but obviously not worthy of any threads, condemnation or prayers on gupshup.
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UTD, I know and understand that media and information are powerful tools and Israelis are masters at controlling them. I know there will be no backlash for killing a young boy. It is so convenient to hide behind "they were using them as shields", it is old and has lost its luster. I suggest that masters of spindoctors come up with a new explanation. Do you think that the father of the killed boy would be motivated enough to kill a few soldiers while taking his own life? ...yeah i know you have a label for him already, he will be a terrorist. The day Israel stops human rights abuse and leaves the illegally occupied land, will be the day when the world will rejoice.
BTW: How did you know they were terrorists? Do they carry a special card or do we have to take your and Israel's word on it? I am not inclined to believe either, but go ahead amuse me.
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Self proclaimed Hamas militants or Islamic Jihad members who's stated goal is to destroy Israel. Hamas uses rockets and suicide bombers which target Israeli citizens. How are they not terrorists?
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Self proclaimed Hamas militants or Islamic Jihad members who's stated goal is to destroy Israel. Hamas uses rockets and suicide bombers which target Israeli citizens. How are they not terrorists?
Palestinians have been living under occupation for years... They are a broken people. One can expect this. They hate Israel, it kicked them out of their homes and makes their lives miserable on a regular basis. I dont blame them for wanting to destory Israel.
Israel uses "smart" bombs that kill men women and children, hamas uses less sophisticated means to do the same.
The only difference is that Israel is a state that is supported by a guilt ridden Europe and Biased American adminsitration. Israel has lobbyists and spin doctors who mould World oppinion in there favor.
Give the Palestinians real weapons to defend themselves and perhps then one could say that Hamas is wrong.
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Most of the dead were terrorists, nice that they hide behind children isn't it? And Israel gives to shtis about spreading democracy in Gaza, the govt. in charge there has a goal of destroying them. While you may hope Israel sits back while they try and achieve that goal that's not going to be the case.
So you don't condemn the killing of innocents.....not even the killing of a 12 years old boy?
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Israel has the right to exist, the Arabs rejected that right and lost several wars and land was grabbed from where attacks took place, land has also been returned for the promise of peace.
Israel uses smart bombs to target militants who act against Israels right to exist, the purpose of the bombs are to kill such people and hurt their campaign to destroy Israel, these bombs are not used to target innocents and the destructive power of these weapons and the number of deaths while high is no where even close to what it would be if Israel used such weapons to target innocents. Hamas on the other hand targets Israel citizens, that is there goal, Hamas goal is not to kill militants of IDF soldiers they use violence to kill civilians yet you give them a pass because they don't have the "real weapons" like Israel does. If Hamas had "real weapons" by their own statements they would "push Israel into the sea". It is Israels legal responsibility to it's citizens that no organization be allowed to do this, through peace if possible or through force when necessary.
I find any death of any non-militant regrettable on either side, can you say that and mean it?
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You're suggestion that Israel should have (should?) wiped out it's oppresive Arab neighbors once they had the technology to do so? Afterall trying to destroy a nation multiple times like the Arabs did is rather oppresive way to act towards your neigbour wouldn't you say?
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UTD clearly outlines why the Palestinians are "oppressed", so stop blaming Israel for it. Do you think they get their jollies by having to fight off and occupy her neighbors every so often to fend off attacks against her existence?
The people of Sanai aren't oppressed. Could that because they are co-existing in peace w/their neighbors? Not shoting rockets into their territories and blowing up innocents? And they don't have a movement or government whose state goal is the elimination of their neighbor. You give what you get. Ye reap what ye sow.
Why not start asking for Palestinians to be accountable for their actions. When Arafat was alive, he could do no wrong. Now we acknowledge that he led a corrupt government that thrived on the conflict and amassed power and wealth from it so Fatah is no good anymore. Now we back the can't-do-wrong humanitarian angels of Hamas.
A clear mind would see the Palestinians are as much to blame for their occupation as Israel is and if they can't learn to play nice after 60 years of this crap perhaps you should question their 'rights to exist'.
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A clear mind would see the Palestinians are as much to blame for their occupation as Israel is and if they can't learn to play nice after 60 years of this crap perhaps you should question their 'rights to exist'.
You think that you have a clear mind or unbiased opinion on this? Not a chance. You believe what AJC wants you to believe. You only believe what you are told by the biased Israel. If the Israeli's are so innocent as you claim why do they kill journalists from other nations every now and than? Hell, why did they kill US soldiers on USS Liberty? Dont give me th crap that it is old. They will do it again in a heartbeat, they are self serving, genocidal maniacs. They got these traits from their terrorist leader Ben-Gurion who laid the ground work of displacing and fleecing Palestinians from their rightful land.
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Calling Israelis genocidal maniacs really shows how off base you are and your hate. genocidal maniacs typically don't give aid to those they are try to kill nor do they use tactics and spend millions of dollars on weapons that limit civilan casualties but you may know better than I. Afterall I'm sure you know all about the genocidal maniacs in Durfar right? Hence the reason you're throwing that term around.
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You're suggestion that Israel should have (should?) wiped out it's oppresive Arab neighbors once they had the technology to do so? Afterall trying to destroy a nation multiple times like the Arabs did is rather oppresive way to act towards your neigbour wouldn't you say?
Although, your definition of oppression seems a tad distorted (refer to a dictionary please) oppression is deemed oppression, regardless of wether your an arab or an israeli.
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UTD clearly outlines why the Palestinians are "oppressed", so stop blaming Israel for it. Do you think they get their jollies by having to fight off and occupy her neighbors every so often to fend off attacks against her existence?
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The 'why's whats who's where', theres nowt that justifies oppression.
And yes i do believe Isreal gets the 'jollies' from it.... more land grabbing opportunities for jews...heck why wouldnt it give them thrills?
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UTD, I am sure you do not have the answer for the groundowrk Mr. Ben-Gurion laid out for the future generations. Its ok, you can sidestep the important issue. It is the issue that goes to the root of this problem. Displacement of Arabs by the Jews as early as 1911. Just like Seminole points out you reap what you sow.
When you require that all of your male population be trained militarily to possibly aid in the displacement of Palestinians...what do you call that? When you occupy a land illegally and than turn your back on the world community (how many US resolutions has Israel followed), you kill civilians systematically and without impunity. You restrict the livelihood of innocents and try to control their every action. You confine them to refugee camps and then send your bulldozers , tanks and for good measure your rockets... I am not sure about you, but an unbiased person will have to say that its genocide in progress by some maniacs.
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You just described the roots of America Kaleem...
The problem is you guys simply don't recognize Israels right to exist and no right to exist means no right to defend oneself hence everything Israel does is unjustifed and those that oppose it may do so in any way, shape, or violent form.
You have a govt. in Gaza now in charge who's goal is to 'throw Israel into the sea' you don't like Israels reaction to that plan and you call them names like genocidal maniacs or you say that Israel is oppressive. You ignore the fact that Israel is a legal state and was attacked muliple times and through the victory of war they took land away from those who were defeated and you don't care to bring up the fact that they have given back land to the very people who attacked them in exchange for peace.
Main points:
*Is a legal State.
*Has been attacked multiple times by neighbors.
*Took land after winning wars from the defeated attackers.
*Has given land back to those attackers who they defeated in exchange for peace.
*Some neighbors still want them destroyed.
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On the same note…I just don;t see why Pakistani’s are die hard supports of Palestine…they don’t do a **** for pakistan. There are other muslim countries in the arab world…like Kuwait, Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar and UAE which do not support palestine at all.
