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**"You call yourself a Muslim by defending animals who rape, kill children mothers..fathers..etc."
-->Give me examples
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There were no Jews other than Sephardic Jews in Palestine. So since Ottomans somehow expelled them (where is the proof?) let them return to Palestine, and throw out all other Jews from around the world.
The fact is simple. Israel was founded on the racist ideology of Zionism, and this could not have been achieved withouth first expelling the original inhabitants of the area.
What does “mercenary” mean, mercenary2k?
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When did they arrive in Palestine?
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This could be a good read about Zionism 
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A little history on how Jewish “majority” was formed in Palestine:
http://www.zionism-israel.com/zionism_history.htm
The third Aliya - The third aliya consisted mostly of Eastern European and Russian Jews including some who had left or been expelled by the Turks during the war. This immigration began about 1919 when Palestine was still under British military rule and is considered to have ended about 1923. Perhaps 35,000- 40,000 Jews came to Palestine in this period.
The fourth Aliya - After the institution of the mandate, immigration quotas were established, and applicants had to prove that they had some capital with which to begin life in Palestine. The fourth Aliya lasted from 1924 to 1929 or 1932 and consisted in large part of Polish Jews who were motivated to come to Palestine by the anti-Zionist regime and the new immigration quotas imposed in the United States. The fourth Aliya is generally considered to have ended in 1929, after Arab riots in Jerusalem seemed to show that settlement in Palestine was not a safe solution for Jews, or in 1932, after which immigrants began coming from Nazi Germany in large numbers. About 60,000-70,000 Jewish immigrants came to Palestine in this period.
The fifth Aliya - The fifth Aliya lasted from 1929 or 1933 to 1939, when the British White Paper closed the gates of Palestine to Jewish immigration due to the Arab revolt and international Arab pressure on Great Britain. About 200,000- 250,000 Jews arrived in this period; 174,000 of them came between 1933 and 1936, when severe quotas were first introduced. Many of them were German Jews fleeing Nazism. The Germans allowed the Jews to leave in part because of the “hesder” or “ha’avara” agreement under which the property Jews took with them was treated as “export goods” in return for a ransom paid to the Reich.
You Zionists, is this how you justify the enforcement of a racial regime? Is this what MAJORITY means? Under the occupation (British) you settle people from all over the world in a few decades, and then consider it ok for them to establish a racist state of their own? What right did those settlers had for such a state?
This mass settlement was not an accident. Zionists were dreaming of a state for long.
Herzl’s plan for creating a Jewish State, arrived at after contemplating other solutions as well, provided the practical program of Zionism, and led to the first Zionist Congress in Basle, Switzerland, in August, 1897.
After the first Basle Congress, Herzl wrote in his diary, “Were I to sum up the Basle Congress in a word- which I shall guard against pronouncing publicly- it would be this: ‘At Basle, I founded the Jewish State. If I said this out loud today, I would be answered by universal laughter. If not in 5 years, certainly in 50, everyone will know it.’”
So Jewish immigration to Palestine was a planned event, which ultimately was to lead up to the creation of a regime. And it was natural for this regime to result in conflict, because such a regime could not have been formed without first expelling and forcing the original people of that land.
Zionists alone are responsible for start of this conflict.
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You can quote all the history you want to..
But that doesnt change the fact that the Jews who immigrated to Israel settled in Jewish areas, Jewish farm areas.
Arabs lived in cities and build up areas around the West Bank...
Why do you use such strong language anyways?
Do you really think by saying butchers, murderes, massacares, enough times that I will actually beleive you?
Arabs are responsible for this conflict, not the Zionists
they came in peace, immigrated to areas where there were already Jews living there and wanted to build their lives
Arabs attacked them in trying to destroy them
Jews did not expel anyone
Arabs left at their own fruitiion after the arab propoganda broadcasted on Arab radio scared the palestinians into leaving after defeat after defeat for the arab armies send them retreating
they retreated with army
just as when in 1975 the NVA launched attacks in South Vietnam, the population fled with the Army
and this is the result
whether, u Prince Abbas like it or not
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Why did you delete first, and second Aliya?
What were Arabs doing during first and second Aliyas?
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I will do this. I have found 4 inconsistancies in your posts in this thread. Where you flip flop. I give you the chance now for you to go ahead and edit your posts to make them consistant. After that I you are minced meat.
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go right ahead
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Right then. Three issues to cover.
- Your own inconsistancies in your posts.
- The UN vote
- The 1967 war.
Which would you prefer doing first? I prefer working with the UN vote first.
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To mercenary
there is no one on this forum who can convince you.........you're acting like American Government.
The weopons in the whole world are labeled as made in usa,uk,france or china.....but who are the terrorists?Muslims!.......False reasoning given by American government.
Who was spreading weapons in Iraq against Iran.......America
Who attacked Iraq.........America
Where are the weapons of mass destruction ?no one knows.
I hate False reasoning...........false logic
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People in 15th Century Italy beleived that the sun went around the Earth, Gallelio, proved other wise
but the Italian government considered his words blasphemous and put him under house arrest
It takes a few people, enlightened people (like me) from muslims and Islam who will be proven right later on...
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what is your correct context, I dont know how do u say that, Islam says Muslims are not allowed to leave an inch which they have ruled, as every Muslim knows we cant change shariah but if people follow democracy and rulers like Musharraf, Mubarak…and the list goes on…certainly they are going to sell Pakistan and other countries as they have sold kashmir, palestine and many more.
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Enlightened rulers have enlightened followers, Bush have you :), but still no WMDs ? 
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So Prince Abbas disappeared! Here is one of the missing part of his selecive qoutation.
**The "First Aliya" **Jewish History. History of Zionism,Zion, anti-Semitism, Zionism on the Web, Zionism a
The first groups of immigrants who came to the land with the idea of turning the land into a national home for the Jews are known as the "first Aliya." "Aliya" literally means "going up" and it is term Jews have used for a long time for coming to the holy land. Beginning in the 1870s, religious and nonreligious Jews established several study groups and societies for purchasing land in Palestine and settling there. In 1870 the Alliance Israelite, an ostensibly non-Zionist organization, founded the *Miqve Yisrael * agricultural school near Beit Dagan.
So what were Arabs doing to resist the First Aliya of 1870?
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We know today that Americans are the custodians of the illegitimate state of Israel. Some people say Iraq war was about oil, some say it was about "freedom and liberty". But what Iraq war was really about was ISRAEL. Saddam, being a pan-Arab Ba'ath party leader, used to threaten Israel, and so Uncle Sam jumped in to overthrow him. Just like illegitimate creation of the Zionist state, Iraq war was also started on false premises like WMDs.
After Iraq, another country from which Israel feel danger is Iran. And we are seeing Israel daddy intimidating Iran as well.
In exactly the same way, America pushed many nations in the world to support the creation of its Zionist child. Just like today, legitimacy or illegitimacy was not the question.
By this time [November 1947] the United States had emerged as the most aggressive proponent of partition...The United States got the General Assembly to delay a vote 'to gain time to bring certain Latin American republics into line with its own views.'...Some delegates charged U.S. officials with 'diplomatic intimidation.' Without 'terrific pressure' from the United States on 'governments which cannot afford to risk American reprisals,' said an anonymous editorial writer, the resolution 'would never have passed.'" John Quigley, "Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice."
jo zulm pe la'anat na kare aap la'een he
jo jabr ka munkir nahin wo munkir e deen he
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And what are you gonna do about it?
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^ What do you mean?
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I left you a post on the other page care to reply?
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Whoever follows Middle East politics knows the illegitimate Zionist settlements in West Bank and Gaza Strip. Every country in the world recognizes these settlements to be illegal. Yet Israel is bent upon building them. Why? Because the land that Zionist posssess right now still does not match the land they want to occupy in their dreams. And so irrespective of what any conscience human-being thinks, irrespective of the question of legitimacy, they are shamelessly trying to settle as many Zionists in those areas as possible.
The policy is obvious. Even though West Bank and Gaza are unquestionably Palestinian areas, but when these settlements become firm and strong, they will declare them as part of Zionist state as well.
So you see dear friends, this is how these Zionists established their "majority" in Palestinian areas in 1948. The Zionists declared establishment of a racist Jewish state on Palestinian areas in late 1800s. Then in early 1900s they started every Zionist Tom, Zionist Dick, and Zionist Harry to come and settle in British occupied Palestinian areas. And when they had SOME population to boast of, they declared the establishment of the Zionist State of Israel.
There is no change in this policy even today. Anyone with any knowledge of history knows the shameful tricks of Zionists and their supporters.
Now these Zionist supporters try to revise history by claiming that all the Zionist state was created on Jewish majority lands. This mercenary is claiming the same thing here.
But read this about partition plan:
"Arab rejection was...based on the fact that, while the population of the Jewish state was to be [only half] Jewish with the Jews owning less than 10% of the Jewish state land area, the Jews were to be established as the ruling body - a settlement which no self-respecting people would accept without protest, to say the least...The action of the United Nations conflicted with the basic principles for which the world organization was established, namely, to uphold the right of all peoples to self-determination. By denying the Palestine Arabs, who formed the two-thirds majority of the country, the right to decide for themselves, the United Nations had violated its own charter." Sami Hadawi, "Bitter Harvest."
And we know why United Nations violated its own charter. It was Uncle Sam's danda, just like the way Iraq war was started.
jo zulm pe la'anat na kare aap la'een he
jo jabr ka munkir nahin wo munkir e deen he