Israel and Pakistan: Natural Allies

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  • Let’s say Palestinians (and Ottomans) made a mistake by not resisting the first coming of Jews in Palestine. Even then, I fail to see how can Israelis be absolved of establishment of an illegal state.
  • Like your beloved Zionist website claims, there were not more than 250,000 Jews who came to Palestine. The reason was not that they wanted to create a state of their own, but because they ran out of Russia due to violence against Jews.

jo zulm pe la’anat na kare aap la’een he
jo jabr ka munkir nahin wo munkir e deen he

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That would be interesting. :slight_smile:

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For all those idiots who want think Pakistan and Israel can be compared, please read this, and let us know if Pakistan is also based on racial discrimination.

http://www.btselem.org/English/Settlements/

Israel has established in the Occupied Territories a separation cum discrimination regime, in which it maintains two systems of laws, and a person’s rights are based on his or her national origin. This regime is the only of its kind in the world, and brings to mind dark regimes of the past, such as the Apartheid regime in South Africa.
As part of the regime, Israel has stolen thousands of dunams of land from the Palestinians, on which it established dozens of settlements in which hundreds of thousands of Israeli civilians now live. Israel forbids Palestinian to enter and use these lands, and use the settlements to justify numerous violations of Palestinian rights, such as the right to housing, to gain a living, and freedom of movement. The sharp change changes Israel made to the map of the West Bank makes a viable Palestinian state impossible as part of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination.

sharm tum ko magar nahin aati.

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Grumpy, after reading the following I would say you did expose these Zionists here.

mercenary said earlier:

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"So again why didn't Israel abide by the 4th Geneva convention?"
-->Because what does Israel gain from withdrawing from those lands, hard won in that war? If it gets land for peace, thats fine. But when you have Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, Lebanon, all pledging to destroy Israel. Why should Israel give up that territory. If I am not gonna get nothing in return, then Israel should continue to hold onto that territory. As for the Palestinians, they can negotiate with the Isrealis if they can come to some sort of agreement, but the election of the terrorist group Hamas, thats not likely any time soon.
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Grumpy's reply:

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Now just because Israel does not benefit from the law does that mean they should not implement it? If that is the case then why have International Laws at all?
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For every person who has his/her conscience alive, it did hurt him where it hurts most, hether he acknowledges it or not.

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The Hidden History of Zionism is a great book! It’s online! Free@ http://www.mytalklounge.com/forums/t942-the-hidden-history-of-zionism.html

Read it.

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Utter Crap

but of course, with your extensive background on the subject

I am sure you are able to tell what is real what is written by an 18 year old neo nazi

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Beta mercenary, why don't you reply to Grumpy's offer?

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hehe, nice attempt

as I have said before I have already answered on that subject matter extensively

and I am not gonna waste time typing old answers to the same old questions

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I don't know what Grumpy would have replied, but only read my post no. 164.

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Actually what i wanted was to discuss the matter as you don't seem to get it. But its your choice. I want to continue the discussion. You refuse to. Your choice.

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Mercenary, I posted the argument used by Neumann in the case against Israel. You said it was justified since Israel was created in areas with Jewish majority. Using an Israeli website, I then showed that this "majority" was actually artificially created within a couple of decades through immigration, and with the only aim to create the Zionist state. What is your comment on that?

Secondly, there actually was no Zionist "majority", as there were equal number of Palestinians living in that area, and Zionists occupied not more than 10% of total land. Your comments?

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I will give you your answer shortly...

I got exams and stuff, so I am studying for that

So I havent been as active as I can on these boards

You will hear from me soon

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Sure. At least I can wait for your cr** for sometime.
Have a nice exam.

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I expected as much....

why are you angry at me just because I support Israel?

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It's nothing personal. It's just that you support Zionists, who are the occupiers and murderers of innocent people.
Read again. I did not mention Islam. It's because that struggle is even beyond religious struggle. It's a struggle between truth and falsehood; and Muslim or not, everyone can relate to it.
Of course, our being Muslim makes it more passionate for us.

It's sad that these Jews are living a good life in western countries, yet still they are pushing themselves in and pushing other out of their lands. And it is only because of their lobbying in Washington that Middle East is in all sorts of problems. They are the root-cause of all unrest there.

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I support the creation of the state of Israel where can Jews can live free from persecution.

But it was the Arabs who invaded and caused the whole refugee problem.

The root cause of all problems in the middle east is the Arab incompetence

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No. It is the same problem as Africa. It is colonialism. It is the white man coming and creating countries that did not exist before hand and in the case of Israel, giving land they conquered to others who had not lived there and expelling the local nationals.

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^Well atleast there is one another person who agrees with you.

Nice company you keep

West is on crusade - ‘Bin Laden’

If confirmed it will be Bin Laden’s first message since January

The West’s moves to isolate the new Hamas-led Palestinian government prove it is at war with Islam, a tape attributed to Osama Bin Laden declares.

The tape also described the situation in Iraq and Sudan’s troubled Darfur region as further evidence that a “Zionist-crusader war” was being waged.

The recording was broadcast by Arab satellite TV al-Jazeera on Sunday.

If confirmed, it is the first message from Bin Laden since January 2006, when he threatened more attacks on the US.

Public responsibility

The authenticity of the tape has yet to be independently verified.

The speaker on the tape said that along with their governments, the people of the West bear responsibility for what he called a “Zionist-crusader war against Islam”.

The speaker called on militants to go to Darfur

“The war is a responsibility shared between the people and the governments. The war goes on and the people are renewing their allegiance to its rulers and masters,” he said.

“They send their sons to armies to fight us and they continue their financial and moral support while our countries are burned and our houses are bombed and our people are killed.”

He said that the decision by some Western powers to cut funding to the Palestinian government since the militant group Hamas won elections there was further proof of this anti-Islamic campaign.

“The blockade which the West is imposing on the government of Hamas proves that there is a Zionist-crusader war on Islam,” the tape said.

The speaker also criticised Western involvement in the troubled Darfur region of Sudan saying it was part of the “crusades against Islam” and called for militants to journey there to join the fight.

“I call on mujahideen and their supporters, especially in Sudan and the Arab peninsula, to prepare for long war again the crusader plunderers in Western Sudan,” the voice said. “Our goal is not defending the Khartoum government but to defend Islam, its land and its people.”

Bin Laden was based in Sudan until he was expelled following US pressure on Khartoum.

He then moved to Afghanistan and is now believed to be hiding in the mountains on the Pakistani side of their shared border.

But successive operations involving coalition troops inside Afghanistan and Pakistani forces along their side of the border have so far failed to track down the al-Qaeda leader.