Re: Israel and Pakistan: Natural Allies
Millions of Muslims in Pakistan do want to have diplomatic relations with Tel Aviv. However some UK residents of aloo stores are hell bent on following Arab rhetoric.
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ya i know...
People who hate Jews and Israel don't know anything about them but the stereotypes, or some propoganda, or some rhetoric or some convulated history of these countries...
Not one educated Arab calls for the destruction of Israel but rather Israel pull back to the 1967 borders, etc....
and yet its only the un-educated masses who calls for the destruction of Israel
Sad, when the uneducated masses of the world dictate our fate
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actually i find your logic flawed, Israel and its neighbors are different countries, Waziristan is "part" of Pakistan.
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Its because they have given up hopes of getting their land back, probably admitting the weakness of nation(s) in one way, hence showing satisfaction for 1967 border.
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and yet its only the un-educated masses who calls for the destruction of Israel
Sad, when the uneducated masses of the world dictate our fate
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and really sad that the so-called education removes logic and thinking from someone making them undeclared slaves.
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hopes of getting their land back
it was never their's to begin with
thats like hindus wanting Pakistan back...
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Can you provide a reliable source from which you derived this figure 'Millions of Muslims?
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It was never theirs to begin with? 
So you are saying that Jews in Israel have always lived throughout 2000 years in that area and over-grew Palestinians hence they had to move out and now are being stupid by demanding the land?
Again your comparison of Hindus is out of different world, apples vs oranges. Pakistanis in Pakistan have always lived there, there was big population movement after the division, but again they were part of one of the two divided units. While in case of Israel there was only a minute part of Jews while rest were flown from all parts of world to populate the land of Israel.
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I think you are confusing each claimant, the ones IN ALOO stores are the ones demanding Pakistan alliance with Israel so they get to sell more aloos, while Millions of Pakistan inside and outside Pakistan are against the alliance thats why NONE of the governments could do this no matter how much pressure from rest of the world.
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"It was never theirs to begin with? So you are saying that Jews in Israel have always lived throughout 2000 years in that area and over-grew Palestinians hence they had to move out and now are being stupid by demanding the land?"
-->I am not saying the Palestinians dont deserve a country of their own. I am saying Jews have lived in Palestine for 2000 years. Jerusalem and other parts of historic Palestine always had a Jewish population that numbered in around 20% of the total population. When the UN divided Palestine between Jews and Muslims, the area for the Jews were those areas where they were a majority like Tel Aviv, Haifa, and West Jerusalem. Just like Pakistan, where in all areas which had a Muslim population became Pakistan.
"Again your comparison of Hindus is out of different world, apples vs oranges. Pakistanis in Pakistan have always lived there, there was big population movement after the division, but again they were part of one of the two divided units. While in case of Israel there was only a minute part of Jews while rest were flown from all parts of world to populate the land of Israel."
-->Again you are wrong. Read some books, read books by Arab authors, there was always a historic population of Jews living in Palestine. Now let me explain where this has been muddled. After Israel was created for the Jews, the Arabs attacked it in order to destroy it. The Arabs failed, and Israel took over more land. The Palestine population fled due to propoganda stories told by Arabs about the Jews. So Israel took over more land. And it stopped at the 1967 borders. Jordanian army remained in West Bank and the Egyptian Army remained in Gaza. In 1949, the Arabs expelled 1 million Jews from their countries. And the population of Israel went from 100,000 to 1.1 million in 1 year.
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I have not read this thread since beginging but here is all I wanna say.
There is no power on EARTH that can stop Israel from becoming a ruling state on Earth. This is not a matter of centuries. It is a matter of years now. Their destined end is rigt around the corner. Those who will support or side with Israel, will meet the same fate as Jews.
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And along with that, we will not see anything on the map of Earth by the name of USA anymore..... It will disintegrate and retreat to one small pice of land in north American continent like the British are confined to a small Island called UK.
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Do I see some retreat or what? Now we are talking. Why was that part of the world broken into pieces and not the Germany (which by and by was the largest threat, destroyer, force in that war)? Hitler killed the Jews, in response UN breaks mid-East into pieces so the victims get a country , pathetic actually. Pakistan was created by the demand of LOCAL population not outside populations. Pakistan was not created as result of 3rd country’s invasion of 4th country.
1.1 million Jews flying out just from Arab countries? I don’t think so, a major chunk of those 1 million was flown in from Europe. So you agree that UN created a country for just 100,000 people?
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it was never their's to begin with
thats like hindus wanting Pakistan back...
Right said. :)
And neither Jews nor Hindoos will get Palastine or Pakistan back. It is their wet dream. Destiny ppoints to some other outcome which is out of their sight because both are delusioned by their false perceptions.
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"Do I see some retreat or what? Now we are talking. Why was that part of the world broken into pieces and not the Germany (which by and by was the largest threat, destroyer, force in that war)? Hitler killed the Jews, in response UN breaks mid-East into pieces so the victims get a country , pathetic actually. Pakistan was created by the demand of LOCAL population not outside populations. Pakistan was not created as result of 3rd country's invasion of 4th country"
-->Not a retreat, but just the clarification of my viewpoint. Muslims are the masters of assumption of things without proper facts. Hitler did indeed kill Jews but after WWII, UK was de-colonizing its empire. As such different minorities and ethnic groups througout the empire wanted seperate countries. The Hashimites got their country of Jordan, same with Syria, christian arabs got Lebanon and Jewish Arabs got Israel. Please read some history before you make some bombastic statements like that. When Israel was created it did not possess the Negev desert, it only had Tel Aviv, Haifa and West Jerusalem, all traditional Jewish majority areas. There were 100,000 Jews in Palestine in May 1948, when it became a nation of Israel.
"1.1 million Jews flying out just from Arab countries? I don't think so, a major chunk of those 1 million was flown in from Europe. So you agree that UN created a country for just 100,000 people?"
-->1.1 million Jews were kicked out from Arab countries. I do think so. Every Arab leader has acknowledged this. Shaul Mofaz, Ehud Barak, the current leader of the Labor party are all Jews kicked out from Arab countries. Read any demographic studies about Israel. But I suspect you have 3rd rate knowledge about Israel to begin with. LOL on the comment on the majority of Jews were flown from Europe. Perhaps you have forgotten about the Berlin Air-lift in 1947 when the Soviet Union blocked all roads going into West Berlin prompting the Allies to fly supplies to Berlin via planes. Since every available plane was used to fly goods to Berlin I doubt they had any means to transport Jews to Israel. 2nd of All, There were 8 million Jews in Europe in 1939. When the Wannese conference was held in January 1942 when Reinhard Heydrich authorized the Final Solution. Of those 8 million, 1 million had fled to England and USA. So there were 7 million left, and of those 7 million, 6 million were killed. And the remaining million or migrated to USA, UK and Austrlia. In 1950, there were only 500,000 Jews left in Europe.
After the horrors of the Holocaust in which 6 million Jews were brutally murdererd. The UN created a safe haven for the Jews in Israel, it was their historical homeland. And Palestine was partitioned along religious and demographic lines. All areas with a Jewish majority is Israel and rest is Palestine. The UN created a country where the Jews can be a majority, can practice their religion free from presecution and bigots.
"And along with that, we will not see anything on the map of Earth by the name of USA anymore..... It will disintegrate and retreat to one small pice of land in north American continent like the British are confined to a small Island called UK."
-->Maybe thats why so many Pakistanis are trying to immigrate to USA and UK.
"And neither Jews nor Hindoos will get Palastine or Pakistan back. It is their wet dream. Destiny ppoints to some other outcome which is out of their sight because both are delusioned by their false perceptions."
-->I doubt the Hindus want Pakistan back since incorporating the Muslim population into India will make Hindus a minority in 20 years. Israel will continue to exist because of the massive threats surrounding it. It is surrounded by enemies, defeated them in numerous wars, the vile propoganda spewing from these countries like Iran, etc... make the Jewish believe strongly in their faith. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.
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Any decent human-being with any sense of justice will not support the state of Israel. Even the right-minded Jews do not support this illegitimate state.
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but their voices are not loud in the media…we allways hear about zionists, and how “legitimate” Isreal is…all nations support it a way or another cause they all want $$$$, and USA will not allow any gvt to say something against ISrael…
money rules the world..and power people (those who can get into gvt 
) are ready to lick any a$$ to get some more $$$
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-->1.1 million Jews were kicked out from Arab countries. I do think so. Every Arab leader has acknowledged this. Shaul Mofaz, Ehud Barak, the current leader of the Labor party are all Jews kicked out from Arab countries. Read any demographic studies about Israel. But I suspect you have 3rd rate knowledge about Israel to begin with. LOL on the comment on the majority of Jews were flown from Europe. Perhaps you have forgotten about the Berlin Air-lift in 1947 when the Soviet Union blocked all roads going into West Berlin prompting the Allies to fly supplies to Berlin via planes.
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I see you wanted to prove yourself a "Muslim", since I have only "3rd rate" knowledge so I'll let an expert like yourself talk to yourself here.
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Well, then there is no point in having all these discussions. Right? After all, if people want to support Israel just because they need American money then there is no point justifying Israel’s occupation of Palestinian people and Baitul Muqaddas.
If this is true then people should stop trying to convince us that Israel and Pakistan are natural allies, because if anything, what is common between Israel and their “ideal” Pakistan, is America’s aid, and not the support of what is right.
Also, if all that is needed is America’s endorsement then these Jews against Zionism are MUCH better than those so-called Pakistan “muslims” who have forgotten the true teachings of Islam about righteousness.
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being muslim is better…but when some muslims accept the killing of other muslims (in irak, afghanistan or israel) just for a bunch of $$$ i have serious doubts about their faith:bummer: