ismaili/aga khani

see this is what pisses me off...there's absolutely no truth in what the person told you.. we cut it just like other muslims.. facing towards kaaba, saying Bismillahi Allahu-Akbar, and cutting the throat.. the very reason why i opened this thread was to clearify nonsense like this... thanx for askin..:)

yea, that man is allama nasiruddin hunzai... we strictily disown his actions or whatever that he does..

why is it hard to believe?? we believe in that man (of God) not in that woman my friend.. shias say hazrat ayesha was enemy of imam Ali (A.S) yet Prophet (S.A.W) married her.. so He (S.A.W) was (nauzobillah) not the Hujjat of Allah?? :bummer: and non-muslims ask us why our Prophet (S.A.W) married hazrat ayesha when she was only 9 or 11??? does that mean he (S.A.W) is not the Hujjat of Allah??do u hav an answer for that?? Hazrat Hassan (A.S) married a woman who later poisoned him.. didn’t he know that?? does that mean he (A.S) is not the Hujjat of Allah?? for me, it’s the noor of Allah that the Prophet or imam of the time possesses.. PERIOD..

first of all, i'm happy for u that u your forefathers accepted a faith that gave happiness to their souls.. secondly, it's natural for any convert to criticize the faith they were previously in.. thirdly, about salam, atleast i or ppl in my family and all ismailis i know (thousands of them) say salam and ya ali madad all the time.. if khoja ismailis don't say salam then there's somethin wrong wid your khoja community my friend ..;) so u said my imam(A.S) is munafiq (nauzobillah).. if that's what u believe then u don't follow the basic teaching of islam that tells us not to judge the fellow muslims..i don't know what "BABUL ILM"u r talkin about but i believe in Ali (A.S) and his true descendants that still lead the faithful to this day..

i mostly know hunzai ismaili n few khoja .im talking abt all ismaili whether they belong to hunzai, khoja, katyawaar or wht ever.they dont obey the basics teaching of islam .n that is the duty of imam to conveince thm n to bring thm on rite path but for this imam must be mutaqi n obey all the rules law of islam n i hardly see the qualities of mutaqi in ur imam.munafiq means teaching something n doing something else.u must be know that a woman in islam must not allowed to reveal her skin thn wht abt above pic .if she's a wife of ur imam thn she must portrayed her self like imam's wife must do hijab or atleast cover all the parts which is not allowed to show in islam .thats why i called munafiq.coz teaching of islam doesnt match the teaching of ur imam is given .even we can call any body a noor n hujaatullah but beside having noor that person must have qualities of mutaqi n parhaizgar.i suggest u to open ur eyes n dont act like pigeon.islam teaches us to kill ur nafasani kuwaishat.ur desire which is harmfull for us n the society we r living in .but ismaili teachings is adverse thn this as far as i can see..why dont u call ur imam n ask him to debate wid sunni n shia scholar n let see who is on da rite path ???? or why dont u allow all muslims to come in ur jammat khana n see ur practices through thr own eyes .why thr is no concept of tabligue is thr in ur jammat????

whr it is stated that we must not judge a fellow muslim or ppl around us.imam hussain judged yazeed thats why he didnt gave him baayat .u can find 100's of hadees n quotation from Prophet(SAW) n Ali (AS) who always ask us to judge person b4 trusting him/her or b4 dealing wid thm .even u cannot become a paish imam n cannot give azaan until n unless ppl give u an approval certificate according to quran n sunnah.

Prophet Mohammed (PBUH]
Allah does not look at the value of your faces and nor your wealths, but He looks at your hearts and your practice.

The worst one of the people before Allah is the scholar who does not put his knowledge into practice and does not benefit from it.

Imam Ali (AS)
Beware of Misers and evil, these are the people who do not fear Allah
"The example of the world is like serpent. It is soft to the touch but its inside is full of venom. An ignorant person who has fallen into deceit is attracted towards it but a wise and intelligent man keeps on his guard against

Imam Jafer Sadiq (AS)
He who devotes his heart to this world will be subjected to three conditions: endless grief, unquenchable desire, and futile hope.

BABE ILM means GATE OF EDUACATION.

Don't u remember the saying of Prophet(SAW) "I'm a city of knowledge n Ali is a gate of knowledge" .look how our prophet judge his fellow muslim :)

i myself have wondered about why the wives of my imam(A.S) don't do purdah and etc.. i guess the imam knows better than me.. and besides, about jamatkhanas, i would be delighted to allow u into my jamatkhana but during our prayers, we testify to believe in our imams, would u testify wid us in our jamatkhana??? and u don't hav to teach me what parhaizgar or munafiq are.. i already know.. n i don't know why imam doesn't debate, maybe u should ask him coz u hav doubts about his knowledge.. and when tabligh goes, do u think i will go to home alive after preaching to a sunni or a shia in his house?? i don't think so... but still here i am, dear trulyurs, "will u become a ismaili like me???"

here's where u go wrong.. imam hussein (A.S) didn't judge yazeed, Allah did. and Allah gave order to imam hussein(A.S) to move forward to karbala n not go back.. and hadees of Huzoor(S.A.W) and sayings of Ali(A.S) don't tell us to judge ppl.. "parakhna" doesn't mean judging.. it means to obesrve and if the person has a bad character, stay away from him.. and only Allah can judge so ppl electing a paish imam while luking at quran and sunnah is exactly what i'm sayin.. don't judge by yourself, let Allah judge..

Now my answer to all of your quotations, what are you trying to prove??? if u think ismailis value wealth more than hearts, then i'm sorry you are totally wrong.. instead of spewing your hate on the internet, go read the farmans of my imam..

and finally i have a question for you: where is your imam and how do u get guidance??

I am not focusing on the wife. Do not bring Aisha into this either, that it a different subject. The thing is, the Hujjat of Allah (swt) is meant to have a specific personality and traits. These pictures I have seen of your so called Imam’s have pretty much ruined your image within other sects of Islam, no beard, no hijab, horse racing?! I doubt that these men have any knowledge at all.

Our Imam is in ghaybat waiting for the true time when we are ready. We are not waiting for him, rather he is waiting for us. Just because there is no Imam at the time does not mean we're going to go astray. For such a huge revolution, the existence of one mere task and leader is not enough.

so how does your imam guide u?? through pious ppl?? could u mention some names??

and also, why is it that we find the name of 12th imam of itnha asharis from only ithna ashari sources?? why don't books of other sects confirm it??

Re: ismaili/aga khani

town-boy dude excellent thread.. aafreen,
I will read it little by little inshallah.

thank you jee :D.. i hope u learned more about ismailis and if u hav any NEW questions then plz do ask.. thank you once again..:)

ok i won’t bring hazrat ayesha into it.. our imam (A.S), who according to us is the Hujjat of Allah has all the traits necessary..

:smack:.. i have answered it probably a dozen times that not keeping a beard or pursuing your favorite hobby doesn’t make u ineligible to become imam.. and where’s it written that my imam(A.S) bets… he runs horses doesn’t necessarily mean he bets.. our imam(A.S) likes skiing, racing horses etc.. so what?? and i believe in Hazir Imam as my leader, NOT his wife.. SIMPLE AS THAT..

i myself have wondered about why the wives of my imam(A.S) don’t do purdah and etc.. i guess the imam knows better than me.. and besides, about jamatkhanas, i would be delighted to allow u into my jamatkhana but during our prayers, we testify to believe in our imams, would u testify wid us in our jamatkhana??? and u don’t hav to teach me what parhaizgar or munafiq are.. i already know.. n i don’t know why imam doesn’t debate, maybe u should ask him coz u hav doubts about his knowledge.. and when tabligh goes, do u think i will go to home alive after preaching to a sunni or a shia in his house?? i don’t think so… but still here i am, dear trulyurs, "will u become a ismaili like me

yeah offcourse why not but that only possible if ur imam have the hujjatullah qualities n he doesnt keep things wid him only but guide it n preach it openly to whole muslim ummah like all imam did n faced hurdles n get killed n poisend after preaching the truth.
The rank of Imamat is actually a reflection of Prophethood and the nature of the Imam has been found to be very close to the nature of the Prophet.

town boy i can’t see any reflection of Prophet(saw) n Ali murtaza(AS) in ur imam.so sorry i’m happy wid my soul at the place i am .but yes the process of seeking knowledge is always thr .its not that i only favours my scholars n my sect.im a gr8 fan of MOULANA ISHAQUE who is sunni scholar n SHEIKH ISLAM TAHIRUL QADRI.becuase they preech islam n prevails true islam they r doing fantabulous job to unite muslim ummah.does ur imam doing all this???this is wht we called tabligue.

here’s where u go wrong.. imam hussein (A.S) didn’t judge yazeed, Allah did. and Allah gave order to imam hussein(A.S) to move forward to karbala n not go back.. and hadees of Huzoor(S.A.W) and sayings of Ali(A.S) don’t tell us to judge ppl.. “parakhna” doesn’t mean judging.. it means to obesrve and if the person has a bad character, stay away from him.. and only Allah can judge so ppl electing a paish imam while luking at quran and sunnah is exactly what i’m sayin.. don’t judge by yourself, let Allah judge..

thats wht we r doing ,we r observing the actions of ur imam n community ppl n asking u Q n giving our assumptions:).after observation one decides to persue n i think thats our judgmenet to keep wid that particular person or not :)))

Now my answer to all of your quotations, what are you trying to prove??? if u think ismailis value wealth more than hearts, then i’m sorry you are totally wrong.. instead of spewing your hate on the internet, go read the farmans of my imam..

now here u took me wrong,look whn u start this kind of thread u ll definatelly get mental thread so dont take it personal .all the quotation i paste here is just for analysing a person b4 keeping any relation wid him .that was my main moto to write these quotaion but if u have any offence thn im sorry .these quotation was meant to judge or in ur word observe ppl b4 indulging in any relation.

i wud love to read farman of ur imam n other religoius litereature of ur sect.i hope u ll fix some links here so that everybody can read n get some knowldege abt ismailies shool of thought.

town boy its healthy sign to argue or answer on behalf of ur community n in im my peronal opinion u r doing fabulous n wonderful job.but lemme tell u while doing this u might have realized that even u r getting something i mean knowledge which u might not have previously.i wud like to suggest u to gain some more basics knowledge abt imamate.

Answering-Ansar.org :: Imamate; Divine guide in Islam.

The Spiritual Reality of Imamate

Answering-Ansar.org :: Imam Mahdi (as)

and finally i have a question for you: where is your imam and how do u get guidance??
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n for ur last Q i wud like u to go through these links.hope u ll get ur answers.i can even narrate it here. but i wud like u to read it ur self widout leaving anything.
Introduction

Answering-Ansar.org :: Imam Mahdi (as)

Qur’anic evidences

Answering-Ansar.org :: Imam Mahdi (as)

Twelve Imams
Answering-Ansar.org :: Imam Mahdi (as)

Imam Mahdi [as] in the light of Prophetic traditions
Answering-Ansar.org :: Imam Mahdi (as)

Imam al-Mahdi (as) and the Ulema of Ahle Sunnah

Answering-Ansar.org :: Imam Mahdi (as)

this link is also the answer to ur Q abt no body beleives imam mehdi beside we 12ers.

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Re: ismaili/aga khani

a-town boy: can you give some information/background of your Imam and his wife..and what their signficance is for the ismaili community - in thier day to day lives.

secondly, I was informed by a khoja-islmaili friend that you may eat any meat (not sure if she also meant pork) as long as you read bismillah over it. She was also slightly laid back on the importance of salah in thier religion... now she was the liberal kind, so maybe youre views are different...but please clarify anyhow.

finally...do you believe in an Imam Mahdi, or the second of coming of hazrat isa?

bro, i’m expecting answers from you.. ok here’s somethin that happened online.. i saw a harsh comment about my imam on a website so i just wrote to the person that who was he to judge n bla bla bla.. then we entered into a discussion and i found out he was a 12er.. so i asked him a question that how can a ghaib imam lead his followers to which he replied that imam is in ghaib but there are ppl who can get his messages like imam khomeini of iran… is there any truth in it??

it's simple.. if u wanna read about their lives, just type Aga Khan IV or begum Inaara on google.. because unfortunately i don't know of any website rite now.. and plz go to some decent website, not the ones that bash every sect and give fatwas of declaring others out of ''islam"...

that might hav been a liberal ismaili.. according to strict ismailis (like my mother), animals that are halal to us have to be slaughtered in an islamic way for them to be halal... chickens killed in an unislamic way are not halal coz they're not slaughtered the right way.. but i personally eat chicken or beef after saying Bismillah... as far as salah (or dua as we call it) cannot be if you are capable of performing it.. our present imam (A.S) has a farman in which he says "nothing makes me more happy than my jamat coming to jamat khana regularly (for saying dua/salah)"

for us, imam mehdi is the imam of any present time.. regarding hazrat isa (A.S), if it's in the quran or authentic hadith of Huzoor (S.A.W) or sayings of any imam(A.S), then we are obliged to believe in it..

u better call me sis :slight_smile: .any ways wht ever u asked me is all thr in those links so better see it throughly though these link is meant for wahabi n nasibi who always oppose teaching of ahlybait n never accepted Moula Ali (AS) as kalifatullah n naib of rasoolallah, n who never accepted the concept of imammate.

http://e-resaneh.com/English/Imam%20MAHDI/Imam%20MAHDI.htm

Re: ismaili/aga khani

is that true that jamaat khana of isamaili have become more like a dating points.

as few of my friends who are agha khani's told me that first time they met their girl friends at the jamaat khana ..............

that shocking!!!!!

all rubbish.. ppl who do it are not my responsibility.. and i have already answered it in length somewhere in this thread already.. so kindly plz go back and read...

Re: ismaili/aga khani

Imam Khomeini did not receive any message from Imam Mahdi to guide us. Some people may have seen Imam Mahdi in a dream and talked with him but in Ghaibat Al Kubra, NOBODY is in connection with the Imam, besides Allah (swt). The Ayatullah's we have interpret the laws through the Qur'aan and ahadith. Just like you said Jamaat khaanas as 'dating points' are rubbish, what you said about Ayatullah Khomeini is rubbish as well.