Re: ismaili/aga khani
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The method of Namaz is only and only that one, which Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) told us.
Question: which way the Ismailis offer Namaz. I have seen an old picture, (not available now) in which they was not performing the rukoo properly.
Which fiqh they follow.?
We don't include the names of Imams IN namaz. I mean we have the Aliyyun Waliullah in azan and sometimes dua during namaz which contains the name but other than that,** sujood, rukoo, everything has nothing**. We only contain Prophet Mohammad (saw) and Allah (swt) in namaz..
i think u misunderstood.. we only include the names of our imams.. we don't do sujood to their names... sujood is only for Allah (S.W.T)..
i asked because you refered to some ismailis as 'gujratis' or 'khojas' so i was wondering how are u different from them?
khojas r gujarati ismailis... actually all gujarati ismailis are called khojas.. the rest of ismailis of pakistan are from northern pakistan.. some are from punjab and a few are makrani balochs..
^^ The method of Namaz is only and only that one, which Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) told us.
Question: which way the Ismailis offer Namaz. I have seen an old picture, (not available now) in which they was not performing the rukoo properly.
Which fiqh they follow.?
i'm not sure what fiqh we follow.. we say our prayers while sitting down.. we also do sujood.. we don't do rukoo but we say tasbih while standing which is done between maghrib n isha..
question: if Huzoor's (S.A.W) way is the only way to perform namaz, then why do u have Aliyyun Waliullah in azan and sometimes dua **during namaz **as mentioned by Jafri.. i'm not objecting, just askin..
question: if Huzoor's (S.A.W) way is the only way to perform namaz, then why do u have Aliyyun Waliullah in azan and sometimes dua **during namaz **as mentioned by Jafri.. i'm not objecting, just askin..
I will make it very simple to understand. I know what do you want me to tell and I will try to answer that.
Answer: In Fiqh (Practice of religion) there are acts which are Furdh(obligatory), there are acts which are Sunnah (practiced by Prophet Muhammad PBUH) there are things which are mustahab (advised to do, if you cant do, no problem).
Each of these acts have different precedence. for example Furdh(wajib) we cant leave, sunnah, if we act on it there will be a great reward and almost the same but a little less rewarding is mustahb etc etc. (i maybe wrong but its like that. )
Now i am coming back to the topic.
The Arkaan (acts of Namaz) there Qayaam, Rukuu, and Sujood are wajib we cant leave. similarly there are some arakaan which are sunnah and there are some which are mustahab which we can act upon or leave. but it will not affect the validity of namaaz.
Imams cant change the act which are Fardh.
Now my Question:
Question: who made changes in Fardh acts of your Namaz. Who removed the qayaam, Rukoo etc ?
khojas r gujarati ismailis... actually all gujarati ismailis are called khojas.. the rest of ismailis of pakistan are from northern pakistan.. some are from punjab and a few are makrani balochs..
Not only Gujrati Ismailis are khojas. A small amount of Sunnis and a bigger amount of Shia are khoja as well.
Not only Gujrati Ismailis are khojas. A small amount of Sunnis and a bigger amount of Shia are khoja as well.
yes, they were ismailis previously. then they converted to shia and sunni..
I will make it very simple to understand. I know what do you want me to tell and I will try to answer that.
Answer: In Fiqh (Practice of religion) there are acts which are Furdh(obligatory), there are acts which are Sunnah (practiced by Prophet Muhammad PBUH) there are things which are mustahab (advised to do, if you cant do, no problem).
Each of these acts have different precedence. for example Furdh(wajib) we cant leave, sunnah, if we act on it there will be a great reward and almost the same but a little less rewarding is mustahb etc etc. (i maybe wrong but its like that. )
Now i am coming back to the topic.
The Arkaan (acts of Namaz) there Qayaam, Rukuu, and Sujood are wajib we cant leave. similarly there are some arakaan which are sunnah and there are some which are mustahab which we can act upon or leave. but it will not affect the validity of namaaz.
Imams cant change the act which are Fardh.
Now my Question:
Question: who made changes in Fardh acts of your Namaz. Who removed the qayaam, Rukoo etc ?
i now understand what fiqh is... can u also explain clearly what qayaam and rukoo are coz i don't really know.. and i also need a source from the holy quran or hadith or sayings of imams that tells us that qayaam and rukoo are also compulsory in namaz so that i can do more research and answer..
SALAT POSITIONS
The Quran gives us the three positions to be observed during the Salat. These are Standing, Bowing and Prostrating. The Salat starts in the standing position:
“You shall consistently observe the Salat (Contact Prayers), especially the middle prayer, and STAND before God in submission.” 2:238
"The angels called to him as he was STANDING praying in the sanctuary: “God gives you good news of John; a believer in the word of God, honorable, moral, and a righteous prophet.” 3:39
“When you are with them, and lead the Salat (Contact Prayer) for them, let a group of them STAND with you and let them hold their weapons, and let them stand behind you as you prostrate. Then, let the other group that has not prayed take their turn praying with you, while the others stand guard and hold their weapons.” 4:102
All the above three verses indicate the standing postion. Verse 4:102 in particular indicates that the Salat starts in the standing position. The words : “When you are with them, and lead the Salat for them, let a group of them STAND with you and let them hold their weapons” indicate the biginning of the salat, that is because it is not feasible to say that the group of believers would join the salat in its middle or near its end! Consequently the words “let a group of them STAND with you” indicate that the salat starts in the standing position.
Submission to God should be declared physically and symbolically by first bowing down and prostrating:
"We appointed Abraham to establish the Shrine: “You shall not idolize any other god beside Me, and purify My shrine for those who visit it, those who live near it, and those who BOW and PROSTRATE.” 22:26
“Muhammad-the messenger of God, and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves. You see them BOWING and PROSTRATING, as they seek God’s blessings and approval.” 48:29
The greater majority of Quranic verses speak of bowing and prostrating in that order. This seems the logical progression from the standing position, i.e. standing then bowing then prostrating.
The Salat ends with prostration:
" … then when they have performed their prostration (fa iza sajadu) let them fall to the rear and let another group come that has not worshipped yet and let them worship with you …" 4:102
These three Quranic physical movements (standing, bowing and prostrating) are not required at the times of emergencies, fear, and unusual circumstances (2:239).
“Under unusual circumstances, you may pray while walking or riding. Once you are safe, you shall commemorate God as He taught you what you never knew.” 2:239
There are some links which might help you in your research work.
Islam for Beginners: STARTING POINT OF ISLAM
Islam for Beginners, Holy Qur’an, Allah, the Exalted, The Messenger of Allah, Shahada, Women in Islam, Universality in Islam, Morals and Social Order
How to perform Salat?
www.playandlearn.org
Why combine Namaze Zohr-Asr and Maghrib-Isha?
Why combine Namaz Zuhr-Asr and Maghrib-Isha? Combining Salat (Salah), Salaat (Ritual Prayer), Namaaz
we do sujood (prostration) and we stand up during our prayers.. as far as bowing is concerned, sujood can cover that that but i don't think we do rukoo any time during our prayers.. but we do sujood and we stand up during prayers..
Re: ismaili/aga khani
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I know that you are not sure that which fiqh do you follow. like all 12rs follow the fiqh of Imam Jaffar Sadiq (AS). That is why they are called Jaffari. Similarly Ahle Sunnah of Pakistan and India mostly follow the fiqh of Imam Abu Hanifa (Rahmatullah)
You can not perfom the acts without knowing that from which fiqh you are following. It is obvious that you can say that you are following the Holy Prophet (PBUH). but it must have a proof. and that proof is Fiqh.
So, my question again is which fiqh do you follow. if you are not sure, ask somebody else in your seniors. thx
Re: ismaili/aga khani
i havent read the whole thread but waeva i did read on the first page i liked ur explanation...im a ismaili too n believe in a lot of stuff u said!
Re: ismaili/aga khani
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It means that there is a chance of disagreement between you and a-townboy. You said that you believe in a LOTS OF STUFF. which means that there is some which you dont believe in. what is that?
Re: ismaili/aga khani
hi i have a question
as u said that karim agakhan is walking talking Qran, rite, and in Quran it is cleared that 5 times namaz is farz no matter wht happpens, then y do u ppl pray 3 times a day??
its jus a question, plz dont take it wrong!!
Re: ismaili/aga khani
I think he meant that they combine the namaaz so that it's
Fajr, Zuhr-Asr, Maghrib-Isha.
hi i have a question as u said that karim agakhan is walking talking Qran, rite, and in Quran it is cleared that 5 times namaz is farz no matter wht happpens, then y do u ppl pray 3 times a day??
its jus a question, plz dont take it wrong!!
what i think, in quran only 3 TIMES PRAYER is mentioned. check the submitters websites.
^^ It means that there is a chance of disagreement between you and a-townboy. You said that you believe in a LOTS OF STUFF. which means that there is some which you dont believe in. what is that?
we all have our values we have the brains to think & interpret things differently as off wat all i have read i like his honest truthful xplanation especially clearing the fact that alot of customs tht non aga khani ppl say we do like hair entrance stuff is so bizarre tht i have no idea where it even started from!!
to answer ur question....as to how much i have read i completely agree wid him!
i havent read the whole thread but waeva i did read on the first page i liked ur explanation...im a ismaili too n believe in a lot of stuff u said!
hey CuteGurl.. :D where r u from??
hey CuteGurl.. :D where r u from??
lol dubai & u?
we all have our values we have the brains to think & interpret things differently as off wat all i have read i like his honest truthful xplanation especially clearing the fact that alot of customs tht non aga khani ppl say we do like hair entrance stuff is so bizarre tht i have no idea where it even started from!!
to answer ur question....as to how much i have read i completely agree wid him!
Lol we all know that there will be disagreements and different views on all different issues/topics, it's bound to happen but he's not saying anything bad. He's asking what do you NOT believe that A-town said.