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i 100 % agree with you.....
the effects of persians is """"'shiaism"""" and "wahdul wajood " of some sufia like mansoor hallaj and others.....
bro, affect of Persians is Shiaism AND Sunniism... The wonderful Deen (System of life) was broken down to Mazhab (Religion) by these folk, with lots of help from Jews and the Byzantines...
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:) dear brother, following the message of the Quran and implementing it in constitution form, establishing an upright life, remembering God day and right, humbling yourself (raka'a) and submitting to the will of God in adoration and not in fear (sajada) IS IQAMAT-IS SALAAT (establishment of the following/system) This was the "system" I have spoken of in my earlier post on this thread. Ritual namaaz is a "fast food" version invented by the so-called "learning centers" of Persians, and is very close to the Zoroastrian Gah/Bandagi (and is even performed on the same times - go ask a Magi Dastoor about this to confirm). Ritual salaat is not prescribed in te Quran. Hazrat Maryam was told "was Judee, war Ka'ee ma'a raaki'een" ... how many Christians/Copts/Agnostics do physical suk'u and sujood? Did Jesus or his family leave behind no such rituals? But again, I guess I am only banging my head against a brick wall... there is no cure for al-af_idah unless one wills from the inside.
do you know how jesus[AS] prayed? .....he prayed almost like muslims do today.
the christians have gone astray........they left praying like jesus[AS].
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do you know how jesus[AS] prayed? .....he prayed almost like muslims do today.
the christians have gone astray........they left praying like jesus[AS].
Hareem01, I'll repeat the last line of my earlier post: There is no cure for al-af_idah unless one wills from the inside
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Hareem01, I'll repeat the last line of my earlier post: There is no cure for al-af_idah unless one wills from the inside
so what do you think about saum[fasting].
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By the way Hareem01, you’re going to teach Hadith science to someone who has completed 8 years of Dars-e Nizami? Ok, I guess there is a first time for everything 
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so what do you think about saum[fasting].
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يَايُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءامَنُوا كُتِبَ عَلَيْكُمْ الصِّيَامُ كَمَا كُتِبَ عَلَى الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ
O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-
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So clearly it is for training purposes:
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ايَّامًا مَعْدُودَتٍ فَمَنْ كَانَ مِنْكُمْ مَرِيضًا اوْ عَلَى سَفَرٍ فَعِدَّةٌ مِنْ ايَّامٍ اُخَرَ وَعَلَى الَّذِينَ يُطِيقُونَهُ فِدْيَةٌ طَعَامُ مِسْكِينٍ فَمَنْ تَطَوَّعَ خَيْرًا فَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَهُ وَانْ تَصُومُوا خَيْرٌ لَكُمْ اِنْ كُنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ
Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. God intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.
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When to do is also given...
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اُحِلَّ لَكُمْ لَيْلَةَ الصِّيَامِ الرَّفَثُ اِلَى نِسَايْكُمْ هُنَّ لِبَاسٌ لَكُمْ وَانْتُمْ لِبَاسٌ لَهُنَّ عَلِمَ اللَّهُ انَّكُمْ كُنتُمْ تَخْتَانُونَ انفُسَكُمْ فَتَابَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَعَفَا عَنْكُمْ فَالءنَ بَشِرُوهُنَّ وَابْتَغُوا مَا كَتَبَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ وَكُلُوا وَاشْرَبُوا حَتَّى يَتَبَيَّنَ لَكُمْ الْخَيْطُ الْابْيَضُ مِنْ الْخَيْطِ الْاسْوَدِ مِنْ الْفَجْرِ ثُمَّ اتِمُّوا الصِّيَامَ اِلَى الَّيْلِ وَلَا تُبَشِرُوهُنَّ وَانْتُمْ عَكِفُونَ فِي الْمَسَجِد¯ِ تِلْكَ حُدُودُ اللَّهِ فَلَا تَقْرَبُوهَا كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ ءايَتِهِ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَّقُونَ
Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. God knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what God Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) God: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth God make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.**
Saum is for daytime and what not to do is described...
CLEARLY DEFINED in the QURAN... your question?
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By the way Hareem01, you're going to teach Hadith science to someone who has completed 8 years of Dars-e Nizami? Ok, I guess there is a first time for everything :)
so Dars e Nizami ne aap ka kuch nahi sunwara............then what anybody else can do for you..............may Allah show you the right path.
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hahahaha .....aray bahna naraz ho gai ......Sis was there anyway left for Pakistan except to help USA.....i am not saying that USA is right...but the people 2000 or 3000 killed in WTC were directly responsible for what Israel is doing in Palestanians...if not ...then does islam allow us to kill anyone...not involved in something wrong....many muslims...manty also died there....on whose neck...there blood is .....!!!!!
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so Dars e Nizami ne aap ka kuch nahi sunwara............then what anybody else can do for you..............may Allah show you the right path.
Dear Hareem01, I have similar sentiments for you.
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hahahaha .....aray bahna naraz ho gai ......Sis was there anyway left for Pakistan except to help USA.....i am not saying that USA is right...but the people 2000 or 3000 killed in WTC were directly responsible for what Israel is doing in Palestanians...if not ...then does islam allow us to kill anyone...not involved in something wrong....many muslims...manty also died there....on whose neck...there blood is .....!!!!!
ok brother whatever..........i'm not naraz. but i disagree. i don't believe that any muslim was involved in 9 11.
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then brother...why did Prophet(pbuh) did salat practically as according to you..just humbling is equal to rakhoo and we knowprophet(pbuh) was most humble thn anyones else...
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i know you are reffering to the film on internet or GEO also showed that...whatsoever...whatsoever...MOSAD planned it or USA ....this thing is 100 % sure....muslims hijackers did this...i do not know they also planned this...but they are used to blow WTC.....this is not 100% correct...but 200 % correct...nobody can deny that...
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then brother...why did Prophet(pbuh) did salat practically as according to you..just humbling is equal to rakhoo and we knowprophet(pbuh) was most humble thn anyones else...
Dear bro, for the descriptions of this "practical" (I call it impractical) namaaz, you are relying on the "documented" history that I commented on...
The prophet indeed was most humble servant of God and submitted in adoration to his Lord. He was an ideal messenger (the final one - no one else is coming) who delivered a complete and blessed message to mankind. But that is where it ends... he was mortal, but the message he delivered is zikru l-li l-'aalameen (reminder for all times)
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i know you are reffering to the film on internet or GEO also showed that...whatsoever...whatsoever...MOSAD planned it or USA ....this thing is 100 % sure....muslims hijackers did this...i do not know they also planned this...but they are used to blow WTC.....this is not 100% correct...but 200 % correct...nobody can deny that...
I can .....And I am denying it.
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Dear sister, for the descriptions of this "practical" (I call it impractical) namaaz, you are relying on the "documented" history that I commented on...
The prophet indeed was most humble servant of God and submitted in adoration to his Lord. He was an ideal messenger (the final one - no one else is coming) who delivered a complete and blessed message to mankind. But that is where it ends... he was mortal, but the message he delivered is zikru l-li l-'aalameen (reminder for all times)
it includes Quran and Sunnah.
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sure 
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“These are the verses of Allah (God) which we rehearse to you with truth. Then in what Hadith (saying - and this includes all mortals) will they believe after Allah and His verses? (Quran 45:6).”
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**Actually **
**45:**6. Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?
(Yusuf Ali)
you are taking this verse out of context…there is no one who is rejecting Allah and His verses. you always minipulate the translation.
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*Actually *
45:6. Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in Truth; then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs? (Yusuf Ali)
you are taking this verse out of context...........there is no one who is rejecting Allah and His verses. you always minipulate the translation.
I think it is you who is taking words out of context by not translating the word "Hadith" (saying) correctly... ايَتِهِ of the second segment is point back to حَدِيثٍ and not the other way around... so the correct rendition is who's words are truthful and to be followed...
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I think it is you who is taking words out of context by not translating the word "Hadith" (saying) correctly... ايَتِهِ of the second segment is point back to حَدِيثٍ and not the other way around... so the correct rendition is who's words are truthful and to be followed...
Hadith here means just speech and not speech of Prophet Muhammad(SAW).
Now read the ayahs with the context.
(6. These are the Ayat of Allah, which We recite to you with truth. Then in which speech after Allah and His Ayat will they believe) (7. Woe to every sinful liar.) (8. Who hears the Ayat of Allah Tutla (recited) to him, yet persists with pride as if he heard them not. So announce to him a painful torment!) (9. And when he learns something of Our Ayat, he makes them a jest. For such there will be a humiliating torment.) (10. In front of them there is Hell. And that which they have earned will be of no profit to them, nor those whom they have taken as protective friends besides Allah. And theirs will be a great torment.) (11. This is guidance. And those who disbelieve in the Ayat of their Lord, for them there is a painful torment of Rijz.)
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Br. Hypnotix
About the Salah, here is something for you to ponder upon. Let us assume that the Salah (as you have refered to ritual Salah), is a tainted form of the original Salah that the Prophet SAW performed. Now this innovation was injected into Islam as per your thoughts through the introduction of ahadith. In this very thread you had stated that ahadith were written some 200 years after the Prophert SAW demise.
So during that interval how did the muslims pray? Ofcourse the hadith collections cannot be widely spread in times like those, they were more like research projects of certain individuals. It is pretty unreasonable to think that the ahadith collected became widespread like a jungle fire and everyone changed the way they used to pray.
The first civil war among muslims was for the murder of Uthman RA, I can't imagine someone came along and changed the way in which the Arabs prayed and there is no recorded event in history that shows us it was not rebelled against. A fundamental change like this could not have gone un-noticed in this history of muslims. Take a parallel from Christian history, the Nicea council, marks the doctrinal change in the teachings of Jesus PBUH, and that is much older history.
Sr. Hareem
It would be much more interesting debating with you if you would not cut and paste articles. I like to have discussions based on genuine reason that comes from a persons thoughts and true understanding of what is being read or studied.