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sis...if there is is one ummah means.56 countries ...united having no boundaries..no visa..no passport ...single army..single currency...then it will happen....
but still...is in any muslim country...the army is so professional and larger as Pakistan has...
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sis... the hadees is the Khna Kaba is less holier than the blood of a muslim...but here i am not comparing blood but lands...which are just peices of earth...so its mean there is no such kind of "nationalism" as you are thinking about in a particular context....we love our country..everyone loves...but it should be il limits and when preference comes...then lands of pieces become useless
yes, agree.
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.... but still...is in any muslim country...the army is so professional and larger as Pakistan has...
Yes, pak army is brilliant and professional and etc etc. But it has nothing to do with Islam. Pak army is here to serve its country not Islam or muslim ummah.
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now see..just 30 years back...its seemed that the whole world is going t be directly or indirectly under communism...the half world was already Communist...wwhen russia invaded afghanistan...so it seemed that now the "hot waters" were not far from Red Army nd finally Makran Coast and itself Pakistan .....but then can you imagine..Pakistan could fight with with the world super power ...even greater thanUSA...but Gen. Zia -ul-Haq...whatever the personal flaws but nobody can negate his credit..that he dared to have iron hands with the super power ...for 2 years ..nobody helped him...afterwards when USA saw hat Russia could not crush the brave Afghanis..then he gave aid....
ISI fought the biggest Guerilla War of human history....the russia which was not defeated by Napoleon and Hitler... Gen.Akhtar Abdur Rahman crushed Russia into 26 pieces at last...(the pioneer was general latter many factors like eastern europe raised because of pakistan bold attempt)......and the pride of Super Power bowed in front of just one agency of pakistan...virtually not a single army men of pakistan fought with Russia,...but not a single bullet or missile fired in Afghanistan without the planning of ISI...USA and European think tanks and Strategic planers and experts dazed for a moment when they heard that a small and poor country....with all muhajideens of arabs and muslims countries...united under the one flag of Jihad agaist communism....started such a war which is seen 500 years ago in Turks period or early islamic wars only.....the tanks and planes ...the atomic bombs and missiles...who helped Russia...!!!!!!!
the whole world astonnished at the moment....it was the greatest miracle of world warfare history...Saudis opened the mouth of thier wealth....arabian youth left luxurious lives to have jihad......and all underthe leadership of Pakistan army...united ..to start such a war never seen in Guerilla History.....
sis...your father is an ex-army officer still you are against Pak Army....strange....
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and you know ...Gen. Zia-ul-Haq became some controversial due to uniform and beaking democratic government but when he shaeed in plane accident...and when his funeral prayers called...15 lakh people from all over the world gathered in Islamabad to pay tribute to this man who after 600 years fought and conquered such a war never to be seen before.....in the human history ...15 lakh people never gathered ...neither on an individual ...nor on any leader funeral ..
first time in history....he was given the Honourary Degree of Doctratre from Jamia Al-Azhar ...for the first time in histort of 1000 years of this great university...first time....
His funeral prayers also held in Khana Kaaba after 1200 years ....before 1200 years...only one prayer was held at Khana Kabaq.....and the name of that person was Muhammad Idrees Shafai......of Makkah..... yes ...one of the greatest Faqeeh and leader of school of thought.....
after Shafai...1200 years of gap....Pakistan Army Chief funeral prayer held at Khana Kaba....and headed by Khamai-Harmanai Shareefain Shah Fahd(late)......
thousnads of people did umra for him...and other shaeeds of planes....millions of quran people recited and issal-e-sawab to him.....
sis...this is the same love and respect of the Sipa Salara-e-Azam of Muslim ummah which people gave him...
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Sister...then how can Pak Army should do for ummah and Islam.....Was it not Generl Musharraf..despite of many polices we opposed him...but yet in last month visited himself 11 countries in just one week as the Sipa Salar-e-azam of muslim ummah...to resolve Palestanians and other muslims issues...he went to Saudia..recieved personally by Shah Abdullah ...first time...then went to Egypt...then Syria...then Jordan...then UAE....then Iran...then Malysia ..then Indonesia ...in just a week.....thats why in Arab Conference...he was invited as a special guset of Khadmanai Harmainai Shareefain....
what else we can do......
is any other muslim army and leader is also doing this.....!!!!!
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nobody support us on Kashmir issue...do you know...all arabs countries not support us...they have a friendly relations with india...iran has a very friendly relations with india...Saddam and Yasir Arafat never supported Pakistan ....yet we support all muslim ummah to the best ...despite that they never supported us...sister is this justice ?
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what else we can do for ummah ???????????
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Well like I said, you can choose to believe what you will... there are always two faces to a coin. It is doubdful that Persian learning was the only thing that had it's impact and not Persian belief system: Zoroastrianism. Same goes with Christian and Jewish subjects of the Islamic Empire of the Umayyad age...
yes..brother..you are right...but see this is because...Persian Civilization from thousands ofyears be the super-power and exceeded in litreature and poetry...remeber when Haris went to persia and brought the Dastans of Rustam -o-suhrab so that people would not listen to Muhammd (pbuh) min streets of Makkah(as in sura Luqman )...so Persians were already very used to writing and learning...while in Makkah only ..i think 17 were adhere to writing thats include umar(ra) also...alll they did it listen to poetry of Amraul qais and others ...fight...tribal conflicts...wars of 100 years...khana badosh....poor also..etc etc...do not compare them with the 2500 years of greatest and beautiful civilizations of Persia....tahts why after islam...Kufa ..Basra...Naisha Pur...Khurasan...Gialan...became the centres of learning..science and philosohy...its just because of thier old historical traces....but its totally wrong to say that Arabs did nothing....one of the greatest iamm of all times...Imam Malik of Madina and his Mauta (as said by US RESident) is the early and very authoritative work of hadees)...similarly the other greatest imam ...Imam Muhammad Idrees-us -Shaafai of Makkah is the greatest imam of fiqah.....Imam Ozai who did 70,000 problems of Fiqah was also rabian....Imam Zohri was also arabian...Imam Sufyan Sori...was also arabian...etc...regarding what Ibne Ishaque was ....he was very early age ...and if someone in his relatives was jew..whats strange...that his grandson was jew ......he was the oldest seerat nigar of prophet(pbuh) ...i think died in 91 higri...i think ..not sure..
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And you don't perform salaat. I don't want to debate with a hadith rejecter.
I reject the alleged sayings and for good reason... they are but alleged sayings. I could have called you a blind follower but I did not. And I already told you that Salaat is to be ESTABLISHED, not performed.
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aray mairai bahi....yai bhi to daikho saalt establishment mai hazoor ka tareeqa kaisai jano gai...i know 4 have differences ....because he performed in different ways,,,so allah almighty preserved the every sunnah of his beloved ...so that all 4 or 3 performed with different so all sunnahs are practicised on face of world....without hadees ..can you do this ?????
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i 100 % agree with you.....
the effects of persians is """"'shiaism"""" and "wahdul wajood " of some sufia like mansoor hallaj and others.....
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so does not mean that rest also polluted with persians ..........
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sis...your father is an ex-army officer still you are against Pak Army....strange....
yes, this might be strange for you.
Re: Islamically can you join a national army...
and you know ...Gen. Zia-ul-Haq became some controversial due to uniform and beaking democratic government but when he shaeed in plane accident...and when his funeral prayers called...15 lakh people from all over the world gathered in Islamabad to pay tribute to this man who after 600 years fought and conquered such a war never to be seen before.....in the human history ...15 lakh people never gathered ...neither on an individual ...nor on any leader funeral ..
first time in history....he was given the Honourary Degree of Doctratre from Jamia Al-Azhar ...for the first time in histort of 1000 years of this great university...first time....
His funeral prayers also held in Khana Kaaba after 1200 years ....before 1200 years...only one prayer was held at Khana Kabaq.....and the name of that person was Muhammad Idrees Shafai......of Makkah..... yes ...one of the greatest Faqeeh and leader of school of thought.....
after Shafai...1200 years of gap....Pakistan Army Chief funeral prayer held at Khana Kaba....and headed by Khamai-Harmanai Shareefain Shah Fahd(late)......
thousnads of people did umra for him...and other shaeeds of planes....millions of quran people recited and issal-e-sawab to him.....
sis...this is the same love and respect of the Sipa Salara-e-Azam of Muslim ummah which people gave him...
you forgot to mention the support of US for afghanistan to break soviat union.
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aray mairai bahi....yai bhi to daikho saalt establishment mai hazoor ka tareeqa kaisai jano gai...i know 4 have differences ....because he performed in different ways,,,so allah almighty preserved the every sunnah of his beloved ...so that all 4 or 3 performed with different so all sunnahs are practicised on face of world....without hadees ..can you do this ?????
:) dear brother, following the message of the Quran and implementing it in constitution form, establishing an upright life, remembering God day and right, humbling yourself (raka'a) and submitting to the will of God in adoration and not in fear (sajada) IS IQAMAT-IS SALAAT (establishment of the following/system) This was the "system" I have spoken of in my earlier post on this thread. Ritual namaaz is a "fast food" version invented by the so-called "learning centers" of Persians, and is very close to the Zoroastrian Gah/Bandagi (and is even performed on the same times - go ask a Magi Dastoor about this to confirm). Ritual salaat is not prescribed in te Quran. Hazrat Maryam was told "was Judee, war Ka'ee ma'a raaki'een" ... how many Christians/Copts/Agnostics do physical suk'u and sujood? Did Jesus or his family leave behind no such rituals? But again, I guess I am only banging my head against a brick wall... there is no cure for al-af_idah unless one wills from the inside.
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Sister...then how can Pak Army should do for ummah and Islam.....Was it not Generl Musharraf..despite of many polices we opposed him...but yet in last month visited himself 11 countries in just one week as the Sipa Salar-e-azam of muslim ummah...to resolve Palestanians and other muslims issues...he went to Saudia..recieved personally by Shah Abdullah ...first time...then went to Egypt...then Syria...then Jordan...then UAE....then Iran...then Malysia ..then Indonesia ...in just a week.....thats why in Arab Conference...he was invited as a special guset of Khadmanai Harmainai Shareefain....
what else we can do...... is any other muslim army and leader is also doing this.....!!!!!
I'm not talking about only pakistan army. All the national armies are not for the benefits of Islam and its Ummah. National armies are just there to support or defend their own countries and now most of the armies(even muslim) are supporting America against muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq and etc.
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nobody support us on Kashmir issue...do you know...all arabs countries not support us...they have a friendly relations with india...iran has a very friendly relations with india...Saddam and Yasir Arafat never supported Pakistan ....yet we support all muslim ummah to the best ...despite that they never supported us...sister is this justice ?
I know no muslim country is supporting each other and this is only bcoz of nationalism.
actually muslim countries are helping non muslim countries to destroy muslim countries.
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what else we can do for ummah ???????????
give all of your bases to America. instead of 4 or 5.
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I reject the alleged sayings and for good reason... they are but alleged sayings. I could have called you a blind follower but I did not. And I already told you that Salaat is to be ESTABLISHED, not performed.
sorry to say but you are misled.