Re: Islamic Civilisation - what came of it?
THey were not that advanced. What Islamic civilization was was cosmopolitan, and knowledge from previous and contemporary civilizations were combiend and progress was definitely made. For example, the concept of a cheque started during Islamic times.
This nonsense that Muslims accomplished nothing and it was everyone before them is wishful thinking.
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Thanks for everyone's input, although it has left me a bit confused! From what I understand the downfall began after the Mongol invasion - they managed to destroy entire cities. After that, King Suleyman was not able to expand his empire beyond present-day Turkey. His attempt to get into Europe was a failure (Vienna). Concurrently, the Shia sects were intent on spreading Shiism in the East, whilst Sunni Muslims were more focused on spreading Islam - the infighting was not expected by the Sunnis - seperatism and infighting was a major downfall in the progression of science and tech. in the Muslim world.
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Actually european rulers said that the safavid empire was a blessing in disguise as it prevented turkish advance to europe (safavids engaging turks on eastern front) hence british and russians decided to make contacts with Safavids to promote their "interests".
Jerusalem was also lost to crusaders when it was under Fatmid (ismaeli) rule (after they attacked and weakened the local authorities).
Not implying anything harsh here but facts are facts..
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OG .. Muslim is not necessarily equal to Arab.. . .only Jews and their online shills are fascinated by this connection..
if anyone wants to know why those great empires fell.. consider this.. when the Mongols were about to invade, hottest topic of discussion within the 'Ulema' of Islam was whether eating horse was 'halal' or 'makroh'..
as u can see.. not much has changed since then..
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^ you and my father would get along so well. Only he thinks the main issue of contention is the unchay of the shalwaar.
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PA, what about the Khachhar?
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What is unchay?
Does it relate to girls or boys as well? 
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The length of the shalwaar Blitzy. I didnt know how to spell 'oonchai' in Roman Urdu.
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paaynchay of shalwar
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Oh thaat !!
If even conservative PTV is anything to go by, shouldn’t that be a smaller issue than going sleeveless 
Or is it that pant and sleeve length have different levels of tolerance? 
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What Islamic Civilization? There is no such thing as Islamic Civilization. It was Arab Civilization or Turkish Civilizarion or Persian Civilization or Hindustani Muslim Civilization. Arabs called non-Arab Muslims as "Mawalis", meaning client/servant.
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^ you are forgetting Berber, Spanish, Afghan..etc the abbassids were not an arab dynasty in a real sense the arabs were ousted from power in the 9th century
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That is why he is the last of the dinosaurs.
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And you are a cat and that also a "she-cat" lot inferior to dinosaurs physically and mentally, so what's special about you?
Anyhow, civilization is independent of religion, e.g. like Persian Civilization, a unique civilization that adopted Zorostrianism, Manoism, Paganism, Islamism, etc. over time as it evolved. What would you say about Hindustani Civilization? Didn't a great variety of religions like Hinduism, Bhuddism, Jainism, Sikhism, Islam, etc. contributed to the formation of Hindustani Civilization? How can you associate an entire civilization with a particular religion?
Moreover, at the basis of every civilization lies something more encompassing, more fundamental, which is called culture. And religion is one of the many components of culture. An entire culture or civilization cannot be equated to just one religion. Civilization is a very complex phenomenon irreducible to a specific religion neither religion forms a distinctive feature of a religion.
As to Zaak, it is false impression that Abbasyaids were not Arabs. They were as much Arab nationalists as the four Kalifs, Ummayads, or the present Khadimul Harfain Sharifain who used, and are still using, religion for cultural and political imperialism. See how Arab Haroon-ur-Rashid destroyed Persian Al-Baramkas. At most you can say that Ummayds represented the interests of Quraishaid nobility of Najad in particular of Arab Banu-Abad Mannaf and Abbasaids represented the interests of Arab Bannu Hashim. It was a struggle internal to Arab Nationalism at that time just like the clash between the Arab Nationalism of Jammal Abdu-Nasir and that of Shah Faisal and Al-Saud family in contemporary times, one wearing the garb of secularism and the other of Islam. Afghans, Barbars, etc. were tribal communities who found in Islam a justification for empire building.
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lagta hay “cat” ne “dinosaur” ki dum pe paon rakh diya aur dinosaur takleef se tilmila gayee/gayaa 
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I disagree once again..the Ottoman Empire had leaders who may have spoke Turkish..but the belief in the Empire meant they had little interest in the average Turk ...their Ministers were of everything from Greek to Jewish Spaniard..the same can be said for the Abbassids..the eclipse of the Quraysh by the ouster of the Ummayads was a reflection of the general decline of the Arab components asabiyah and the rapid development of the Seljuks led to their eventual capture of power..you would be hard pressed to find a single Arab leader with genuiane power in Baghdad or elsewhere post 10th century..
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An Empire has two divisions both in the sense of ethnicity and geography. There is a dominent ethnicity coming from the "core of the empire" holding the highest militray, economic, and political power. Then there are dominated ethnicities inhabiting the peripheries of the the empire and having a peripheral/secondary status. The dominent ethnicity exploits the resources of the peripheries and spend them on the development of the core (of the empire).
In British Empire, England in particular and Britian in general were the core and the colonies were the peripheries. True that an ordinary British or English didn't benefit as much from imperialism as English/British elite, still he/she was free and benefited from the empire.
Otoman Empire was an empire of the Turks and in it Turks were the dominent/core ethnicity. The rest were peripheral ethinicities. Few non-Turk ministers doesn't make a difference. That is why Arabs resented Turkish imperialism and revolted against it. That is also why Iranians didn't submit to Ottoman Empire.
As for Abbasyads, true their Arab character was somewhat diluted, still it was Arab in the core and remained as that till the last Abbasayid Kalif. Ottoman Turks grabbed power in 14th Century. At first they were not interested in Kalifat because they couldn't perceive the political clout associated with the institution of Khilafat but later when they realized it, they then acquired it and never gave it up.
At one point, the Ottoman capital of Constantanpole served as the center of spiritual and temporal authority for Orthodox Christianity of Southern Europe. This is one evidence of the fact that the only things Turks were interested in were their imperialism and empire wether Isam ensured that or Christianity.
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Ottomon empire with a capital called costantinople?
What you are saying doesn’t make sense here as when the siege and ultimate capture of the city happened, the greeks (greek orthodox to which russians and slavs are part of as well) got out and moved westward (to kiev?) which is why you see their hatred of Islam (russia’s consequent conquests of central asia and wars with Turks) with a crescent being crushed by a cross as their religious symbol.
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Sir, Blitz, I have quoted this from Arnald Toyanbee's "Civilization on Trail" or from the abridged volume of his "A Study of History"; I don't remeber from which these two books but anyhow will try to have the exact text quoted here.This was in the initial years of the establishment Ottoman Empire.