Islamic Civilisation - what came of it?

[Blitzkrieg]

Re: Islamic Civilisation - what came of it?

@LastOfTheDinosaurs

Sir, Blitz, I have quoted this from Arnald Toyanbee’s “Civilization on Trial” or from the abridged volume of his “History of Civilization”; I don’t remeber from which these two books but anyhow will try to have the exact text quoted here.

That constantinople was the capital of Ottomon Empire?

YOu do know the orgini of the word (“Constantine” as in Emperor Constantine of the Eastern Roman Empire which organized and made chrisitianity its state religion while the western empire washed away..).

[LastOfTheDinosaurs]

Re: Islamic Civilisation - what came of it?

@Blitzkrieg

Ottomon empire with a capital called costantinople?

What you are saying doesn’t make sense here as when the siege and ultimate capture of the city happened, the greeks (greek orthodox to which russians and slavs are part of as well) got out and moved westward (to kiev?) which is why you see their hatred of Islam (russia’s consequent conquests of central asia and wars with Turks) with a crescent being crushed by a cross as their religious symbol.

Turks conquered Constantinople in 1453. But it remained the center of Byzantinian Church till 1589 when the . Toyanbee’s “Civilization on Trail” page 176, chapter “Russia’s Byzantine Heritage” states:

“Faced with this grievious choice, the medieval Greek Orthodox Christians passionately rejected the yoke of their schismatic Western fellow christians and with open eyes elected, as the lesser evil, the yoke of the Muslim Turks. They would rather behold in Constantinople then turban of Mohammad than the Pope’s tiara or a cardinal hat”

Earlier on page 169, Toyanbee writes:

“In 1472 the Grand Duke of Moscow, Ivan III, married Zoe Palaelogos, a neice of the last Greek wearer, at Canstantinopl, of the East Roman Emperial Crown. In 1547 Ivan IV had himself crowned Czar or Eastern Roman Emperor, and, though the office was vacant, his assumption of it was audacious considering that, in the past, Russian princes had been ecclesiastical subjects of a Metropolitan of Kiev or Moscow who had been a subordinate of the Oecumincal Patriach of Canstantinople-a prelate who in turn was a political subject of the the Greek Emperor at Canstantinople, whose style, title, and prerogatives were now being assumed by the Muscovite Grand Duke Ivan. The last and the decisive step was taken in 1589, when the reigning Oecumenical Patriach of Constantinople, now a servant of the Turks was induced or coerced to raise his former subordinate the Metropolitan of Moscow to the status of independent Patriach…Although the Greek Oecaumenical Patriach has continued down to this day…”