Islam is beautiful religion.

[hiccup]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@Israeli girl

After studying quran for more than 5 months i have been so far impressed with islam. I haven’t realized and always underestimated KorAN. Islam always been mis-intrpreted in eye of many people and that inculded me. The saying of prophet Mohammad----Al-Hadith..overly impressed me as well as his attitude toward life. Since iam minoring in islamic studies..i’ve begun to go to local mosque and attended dars and friday sermon. I hope it will give me more chance to learn.

At least its official now. Hold the press.

[Lahore_981]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@Israeli girl

@armughalI have read you replies. Simply say, i find your replies very offensive. If Allah can be Al-rakhmann with us why can’t you. I don’t see any human in you..instead you seem to be one of those type who shoot first in the arm and then talk. So far, and i even argue about this to my Jews community that Islam is not what HAMMAS or Islamic jihad preaches. LoOK at islam as any other respectful religion who belives in peace. Peace not among human being but with God as well. And for that peace to be, creator of earth and heavens must have had to be merciful. Atleast i know that as being non-muslim. Why can’t you teach love of God instead of only hellfire hellfire. I hope you learn from it.
regards,
nicole.

Nicole

As far as I can see, armughal is not a hypocrite. He said what was right. He is not writting acceptable manipulated comments to hide the truth.

Since you have joined this forum, I have been trying hard to understand your comments about Hammas and Islamic Jihad. I am stumped…

I believe you being a sensible person are able to undersand that “injustice” makes a human a beast. If you’d do bad to someone, they will respond. I at times fail to understand why you do not metion what Israelis have done so far in the region of Middle East and especially to Palastine? Why Palastinians have been kicked out of their lands and why Israel is illegitimately occupying the Palstinian land by force, deception, KILLING, SHOOTING and then calling Palstinians to the table talks? I do not understand why you write something about Palastinians that Israelis did and do in the first place?

Why you try to show the one sided story and unilaterally declaring Palastinians wrong?

Have you ever tried to think about what is that makes them behave in this manner (the question of Islam does not teaches killing comes later). Your statement is sort of “use the show of the opponet on the opponents head”. Quran does teaches peace but it also teaches to defend our Religion, land, values etc and fight with those who intend to harm it. Islam not that stupid to teach us, “Keep back even if others harm you, so as to avoid killing, because Islam is a peaceful religion” or 'If someone slaps on one side of your face, forward the other" It teaches us to break the hands and legs of those who dare to look at it with dirty eyes but live with peace with those who want to live in peace with us (Muslims)

Are you aware of the deeds of Israel regarding Palastinians and do you accept that Israel is an Illegitimate state?

[Seminole]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@armughal

nicole, be wiser than to judge people on one single post…
if u cant, u will find it hard to learn anything true about a religion that ur own religion and people preach to hate…

likewise it is not wise to not accuse someone’s religion and people of doing the very same as your own. at least she is trying to learn anything about another religion which is more than your posts indicate.

[LuxuryItem]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@Israeli girl

@armughalI have read you replies. Simply say, i find your replies very offensive. If Allah can be Al-rakhmann with us why can’t you.

Yes! :k:

@Israeli girl

I don’t see any human in you..instead you seem to be one of those type who shoot first in the arm and then talk.

You are not alone, many of us Pakistanis feel the same way about ARMughal.

[TheNewWannaBe]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

She mentioned some reference in Quran encouraged killing of jews. I was equally shocked to find that. Left me doubtful.... about the credibility of those people who compiled, translated and put it in the form of a book.

[S02]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@armughal

nicole, be wiser than to judge people on one single post…
if u cant, u will find it hard to learn anything true about a religion that ur own religion and people preach to hate…

What a naive understanding of Judaism.

Israeli Girl – best wishes on your search to understand and learn from Islam. We are all trying to do the same.

[austin]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

is this a true translation?
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ClipMediaID=60227&ak=null

[Lahore_981]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@deedawar

Its intersting to see that after first post, Israeli girl has not posted at all. Its like throwing piece of cake to hungry people.

This puts a big smile on my face, you are fine tuned to certain realities. I am glad to see that. Hope you understand what I mean. If not, PM me.
She didn’t answer my question either.

[Lahore_981]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@TheNewWannaBe

She mentioned some reference in Quran encouraged killing of jews. I was equally shocked to find that. Left me doubtful… about the credibility of those people who compiled, translated and put it in the form of a book.

Don’t be so hasty TNWB. Lets ask for the Ayahs of Quran that say that.

I’d ask her (Israeli Girl) to please quote those Quranic references which say Kill Jews. Then I’ll see what those verses really mean and what is their proper context. I am pretty sure she is referring to some Ayah’s revealed after the betrayal of the Jews of Madinah. You know there were three big Jew tribes in Madinah with whom Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) made agreements that is someone will attack Madinah, Jews and Muslims will defend Madinah together.

Jews made the agreements but not only they did not keep their agreement but conspired with the attacking tribes on Madinah, financed them and aided them against Muslims. After which I thing these Ayahs were revealed to Kill those Jews who betrayed Muslims…

After that, Prophet (PBUH) exiled the three Jew tribes from Madinah and even I thing some battle was faught too.

This is (Most probably) the proper context of the Ayahs she might be referring to.

[Darius]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@Israeli girl

^wrong. So easy for you to come and generalize like that.

Thank you..i was expecting opposite from all of you. I fasted today with my pakistani muslim friend. **Islam prohibits from killing innocent **but i wonder what hammas and islamic jihad is been doing totally opposite to what is it in KorAN.

not exactly, the aya is

005.032YUSUFALI: On that account:** We ordained for the Children of Israel** that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

and they aya after it

005.033YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

so,the first aya, obviously refers to the Children of ISrael…not to muslims

the aya 5,032 is almost always misquoted, to give the uninformed and the non believer a distorted impression about islam

5,033 is more indicative of the teaching of islam

[Darius]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

Lahore

do you know how islam understands peace with non muslim?

hudna or

009.029YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book,** until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued**.

only by submitting to the superiority of islam, can there be peace between a muslim and a non muslim, and eventually most non mmuslims leave

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Pakistan

Since Pakistan declared itself an Islamic nation and pursued a decidely Islamic course in its political and social life since the 1980s, Hindus as a minority have had considerably fewer privileges, rights and protections in comparison to India, which constitutionally avowed itself secular, offered its religious minorities including the Muslim, Christian and Sikh communities, although the rise of Hindu nationalism has led to communal conflict in India as well. Subsequent cultural marginalization, discrimination, economic hardships and religious persecution have resulted in many Hindus leaving Pakistan, and today’s Pakistani Hindu population dwindling to less than 1.5% of the total.

so eventually most islamic countries revert to fundamental islam

[ak47]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

Islam is an ideology not a set of rituals religion like xstianity which have no say on lifes affairs at all.

[austin]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

islam is slavery

muslim is a slave to allah

and the ayatollas and mullah decide what allah wants

LOL

[picoico]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@austin

islam is slavery

muslim is a slave to allah

And this is a problem? LOL…screwed up priorities you got dude…

[picoico]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@Darius

Lahore

do you know how islam understands peace with non muslim?

Ahhh selective quotes. The context of this quote was that first Muslims did indeed try peace with surrounding tribes, but then they were still hunted down. Treaties were broken, war declared.

In general, if the options were: be subjugated or subjugate (with no middle ground…that being burned by the non-muslims themselves) then what would any rational people choose?

SO the question is, what is your intention as a non-muslim? To control us or contain us? If so, don’t complain. If you want to leave us alone, then we shall leave you alone…it’s a very elegant equation.

[picoico]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@TheNewWannaBe

She mentioned some reference in Quran encouraged killing of jews. I was equally shocked to find that. Left me doubtful… about the credibility of those people who compiled, translated and put it in the form of a book.

All references to Jews (and note how the Jews are addressed, not simply talked about) refer to the specific Jewish tribes in Arabia at the time of revelation.

These Jews sided with the Pagans in their attempted genocide of the early Muslim population.

[austin]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@picoico

Ahhh selective quotes. The context of this quote was that first Muslims did indeed try peace with surrounding tribes, but then they were still hunted down. Treaties were broken, war declared.

In general, if the options were: be subjugated or subjugate (with no middle ground…that being burned by the non-muslims themselves) then what would any rational people choose?

SO the question is, what is your intention as a non-muslim? To control us or contain us? If so, don’t complain. If you want to leave us alone, then we shall leave you alone…it’s a very elegant equation.

problem is millions of your people are massing at our borders, dying to get in and going on the dole

your people are leaving muslim countries by the millions, because the muslim system is so debased

[austin]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@picoico

Ahhh selective quotes. The context of this quote was that first Muslims did indeed try peace with surrounding tribes, but then they were still hunted down. Treaties were broken, war declared.

In general, if the options were: be subjugated or subjugate (with no middle ground…that being burned by the non-muslims themselves) then what would any rational people choose?

SO the question is, what is your intention as a non-muslim? To control us or contain us? If so, don’t complain. If you want to leave us alone, then we shall leave you alone…it’s a very elegant equation.

why dont you show me other ‘quotes’ about peace with non believers, kufrs and mushrikin

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[austin]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@picoico

All references to Jews (and note how the Jews are addressed, not simply talked about) refer to the specific Jewish tribes in Arabia at the time of revelation.

These Jews sided with the Pagans in their attempted genocide of the early Muslim population.

no

the Jews were not happy that an illiterate person was threatening them and their children

[rvikz]

Re: Islam is beautiful religion.

@picoico

All references to Jews (and note how the Jews are addressed, not simply talked about) refer to the specific Jewish tribes in Arabia at the time of revelation.

These Jews sided with the Pagans in their attempted genocide of the early Muslim population.

but quran is supposed to be revealed by god why god will talk about specific
battles? if quran is revealed during india-pakistan conflict what god would say?
he would talk about kashmir?