Re: Islam is beautiful religion.
Excuse me, the Quran IS revealed by God…why can God not talk about specific battles or specific people? How many times did God refer to the prophet (saw) in the Quran? Are you implying that it wasn’t him God was referencing?
We learn from our history, and understanding the history in which the Quran was revealed is very important.
The Hadith, for example, capture history…not always about wars or other conflicts, but about the day-to-day aspects of life.
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peace with Jews/non believers
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*Duty of the Muslim Towards These Treaties *
*Shaykh Abdul RahmanAbdul Khaliq *
The last chapter from "Verdict on the Treaties of Compromise and Peace With the Jews"
Note: This piece represents the perspective of a Muslim scholar on the peace treaty and is presented here since their perspective is often ignored in the media and is important for the Muslims.
And now comes the most important question, that is: What is the duty today on the Muslim as regards these treaties?
The answer:
(1) The first duty is to firmly believe in their invalidity and that because they contain invalid conditions they were born dead the very day they were given birth to; because it is not lawful for the Muslim to conclude an agreement with the unbeliever for abandoning jihad and abrogating this religious duty, nor for giving up hostility towards the Jews and affirming love and amity for them; for this is leaving the millah. These treaties also contain provisions making it incumbent to screen out such Ayahs of the Quran and ahadith (statements) of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, that declare this enmity towards the Jews.
This undertaking constitutes a collusion with the unbelievers for concealing the Deen and knowledge and for suspending the Ayahs of the noble Quran and ahadith of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, that explain the essence of obligatory relationship with the Jews; and this in fact is driving the Muslims out of Islam and stripping the Ummah of its belief and history.
And since these treaties contain such conditions and stipulate them clearly, they are therefore invalid and it is not lawful for the Muslim to believe in them.
(2) The second duty of the Muslim is to believe that these treaties do not bind him and that it is not lawful for him to give effect to any of their contents except under compulsion and necessity to the extent compulsion is a valid ground for compliance.
This is so because they contain the above noted invalid conditions and because they have been concluded without the consent and consultation of the men of religion, learning and judgement and because they will spoil the Deen of his sons and progeny, besides spoiling his worldly interests.
(3) The third duty is to work towards overthrowing these treaties. Their position is like the position of every abomination that may be found in the land of Islam and that which it is a duty to abhor and reject according to the conditions and requirements of rejecting as far as practicable, and to see that there does to accrue to it a worse abomination and that an abomination is not met by another abomination.
(4) The fourth duty is to believe that the Jews, as long as they adhere to their false religion, waging war against Islam and its followers, they are members of a community on whom Allah 's wrath has fallen. It is a duty to fight and confront them as long as they remain on their course of action in fighting Islam, disbelieve in it and commit aggression upon the Muslims.
To detest them is the Deen to be followed for Allah's sake by a Muslim.
(5) The duty to unite the Ummah towards attaining this objective of putting an end to the sway of the Jews in the world and to their tyranny upon the Muslims and their capture of the base of the Night Journey of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, and of al-Masjid al-Aqsa.
(6) To believe that the Jews could not have been able to establish their sway in the world to such an extent except after the elimination of Islam from the Arab states and their constitutions and legislation - except as Allah had His mercy - and the slogans of nationalism and secularism had taken the place of Islam and there had taken up this issue the secularists who fought the Jews under slogans other than Islam, and isolated Islam from this issue. Then when they were unsuccessful, and this is Allah's way of dealing with His creation, and they announced their humiliating surrender and threw themselves under the feet of the Jews, they gave it out as the highest degree of wisdom and reason. Hence they failed in their war and Allah debased and disgraced them in this life before the hereafter, on account of their moving away from Islam and their discarding of the Book of Allah and the sunnah of His Messenger,peace and blessings of Allah be on him. And on that account to believe that there cannot be any victory in this issue and any dislodgement of the Jews from the midst of the Ummah and an ending of their sway in the world except by means of Islam in belief, in method and in jihad.
(7) To pray to Allah Subhaanahu wa Ta'ala day and night that He unite the words of the followers of Islam, that He unite their ranks and that He return them to their Deen; and that He prepare for them the means of their victory over the enemy of Allah and theirs. And all the praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all beings.
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takkiya and kitman
lies, lies and more lies
Re: Islam is beautiful religion.
you said earlier, that I was using selected aya (9:29) to show you how islam interprets peace,
you never followed up..
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a beautiful religion
http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=188
should the west stop all muslim immigration?
Re: Islam is beautiful religion.
Jew,Christians and pagans were all living side by side in peace before mohammed
the killing really began with mohammed
and it was mohammed who wiped out the Jewish tribes in Yathrib, slaughtering all the men and boys.
mohammed perpetrated genocide…no one else suggested genocide
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^^ Jews are cursed by God and they have been kicked around by different nations long before Islam. So don’t blame Islam for genocide of Jews. If Muslims really wanted genocide of Jews they wouldn’t have left Jewish women and kids alive. Those Jews who were slaughtered were traitors and they got what they deserved. Even in today’s civilized America the punishment of spying or being a traitor is death penalty.
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well, it seems to me, that Jews have survived all the people who wanted them eliminated, and one take Israel as an example of Gods blessing,
look at what Israel has done in 50 years, and then look at what pakistan, or any of Israel’s neighbors have done in 50 years…who has God blessed?
and seems to me, that the peoples most blessed by God, are those people who have many Jews among them
the countries with little or no Jews are wastlands, with no justice and no freedom and no learning…think about that
muhammed above all wanted booty…the wealth of others he could loot through violence and war..he wanted the Jewish women and children as slaves, you know that
‘to posess with his right hand’…spit
the Jews were not traitors, nor are they traitors now…
mohammed wanted the Jews to follow him, and the Jews saw mohammed was a false prophet
Jews did not, and do not, force other to ‘revert’ or convert…mohammed was attacking and plaguing the Jews
the koran describes the genocide and expulsion of Jews from arabia
and all of mohammeds kilings and murders
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How could you say all that? That cursed country they call Israel is doing to Palestinians today what has been done to Jews during the war. Whenever someone points at what is going on over there, the Jews start talking about the Holocaust to get the attention away from they themselves are doing now in Israel. Blessed people behave like that???
Are blessed people liars and murderers? Do blessed people bring pain, fear and death?
The Muslims had pacts with the Jews and the Jews broke them many times. They wanted to destroy the Muslims. That's why they were killed, they asked for it.
If the Jews hadn't changed their scriptures, they surely would have recognised that Muhammad (pbuh) in fact is the true Messenger of Allah (pbuh).
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Not blessing of God but the blessing of US. If America had supported Pakistan or any of Israel’s neighbors like it has supported Israel, things would have been different. So don’t give too much credit to Israel since they are nothing without the financial, military and moral aid of US.
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^^
Couldnt stop laughing..
Do your really think that Israel developed just because of US support.
Now let me analyse your statements logically...
1) Jews (Israel) are cursed by God.
2) Their progress and well being is due to USA
What do these statements imply. That USA is greater than God...
Just think before you write..Dont leave your brains elsewhere before you begin to write.
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Only a urea infected brain will assume that I implied US is greater than God. Jews were cursed by God and they are still cursed and they will always be cursed. Their temporary progress and well being doesn’t mean anything in the eyes of God.
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jews deserve mars.. if we want peace,we should shift them there
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I’ll have to read again to get the references. It was long time ago and am not sure if the history was being discussed or it was being said in general. I’ll try to read the translation again.
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How are they addressed?
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I had some questions for Darius but rest of his posts did not leave me in a state of wanting to ask cz seeing all the misconceptions and extreme hatred (extremism), I knew the answers would not be from a nuetral point of view.
We are taught and instructed to believe in and respect all the older scriptures and messengers. It's a prerequisite to being a muslim but look how you have referred to the last prophet. I feel sorry for you.
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Unfortunately you won’t be getting any more opportunity to ask him any questions. I had him banned for good 
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^ He is just one of us. He came as 'Darius' only to express his extremism. Amazed why he could not express the same with his usual nick which we are familiar with. How can people hide their true feelings and act normal under one nick and those same people have so much hate but at the same time are guilty to express. so, they know it's something to be ashamed of or are they scared?
Most probably he is one of the regular posters around here.
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As a people familiar to the Prophet (saw) and his companions…not as a foreign people in a land far away.
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@ TNWB
Koi baat naheen. All is well. I thought it would be appropriate to mention a little bit about the context of the verses in Quran so as to avoid any mispresentation.
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I did, you didn’t understand. Your claim is that 9:29 is a generic commandment to Muslims, not a commandment revealed to the Prophet(saw) in a particular historic period…after the Pagans had broken treaties and even the Jews had sided with them.
Your view is deceptive, since it ignores the reality of the Quranic text, namely that it was revealed during a time of active war declared ON Muslims, and use it as an example of what the religion has to say about “peace”…only first grade morons fall for that one.
Needless to say that was 1400 years ago…what does it say about someone who’s people have invaded another based on LIES and GREED, demanding that these same people proove their peaceful nature…this failure in applying logic to the self is a sure sign of a savagely people.