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god seriously who r u…im gona beat u senseless…
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Assalam-u-A'alikum
I was searching for something and got dragged into this. anyway, here i go
Sister has already given you the answer regarding your comments but i would like to add few things here. Your logic of bringing that argument is flawed! How so? For example, if i am walking in a street and a naked person pass by. Now if i go and tell someone that "behaya person walking naked in the street" and if that person brings the same argument as yours then he is being ridiculously stupid. Why? i don't have to stare at the person with desires to find out whether he is naked or not. Let's look at another example, if there are black cats everywhere in the street that i am walking in and now if someone asks me why were you staring at black cats or how did you know that there were black cats. I mean seriously. When you walk in the street, it is not like you are blind or you have closed your eyes. The statement that sister made is very general statement based on observations and things your hear, watch etc.
Now, let's go through your other comments which are pretty much same in the whole thread.
What you are saying is very common disease among Muslims and that's the reason why we are suffering everywhere. Is Allah Ta'ala going to ask you about the 'amals of the Mullah in your local area? I agree with the fact that scholars and other students of Islam need to show a noble character so other people look up to them, however, their acts have nothing to do with normal Muslims. And it is very lame excuse that just because Mullah doesn't follow Islam then why should i follow Islam or this mullah or that mullah says this and that and he is hypocrite. Saying that due to Mullah's hypocrisy Muslims are not following Islam is plain stupid. Who in the world cares what a Mullah does. If he is hypocrite, Allah Ta'ala will ask him. Why wouldn't you just simply shut your mouth and do what you have to do. Mullah isn't the one who is making choices for you. Just like Mullah you are also simply submitting yourself to your desires. Why not act in way which could embarrass that hypocrite Mullah and he may become a better Muslim. **And please do not generalize your statements too much. All the 5 fingers aren't same!!
May Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala forgive us all, unite us and make us strive for his love...Ameen **
You do a lot of walking dont you!?
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Oh you extremist.. 
Let me notify the western agency of your dangerous intentions…
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Assalam-u-A'alikumYour logic of bringing that argument is flawed! How so? For example, if i am walking in a street and a naked person pass by.
Walikam Assalam.
My logic may be flawed but same is yours. If you are walking in a street and a naked person pass you by, then chances are that you are not on the right street. You should not have been there. Naked person don't walk you by on ordinary streets.
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Assalam-u-A'alikum
What you are saying is very common disease among Muslims and that's the reason why we are suffering everywhere.
And it is very lame excuse that just because Mullah doesn't follow Islam then why should i follow Islam or this mullah or that mullah says this and that and he is hypocrite.
*And please do not generalize your statements too much. All the 5 fingers aren't same!! *
Exactly!! And that common disease is called self-righteousness. It is purely your own conception attributing "why should I follow Islam" comment to me. No where did I say that I do not follow Islam or I should not follow Islam.
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Why is it that all these wahabi mullahs end up in such “streets” and neighborhoods? For example, this pathan mullah type at another forum revealed he had “passed thru” hera mandi etc. and this another mullah type used to live in hyatabad, peshawar where all the tota action used to take place…
I mean me, a non-wahabite, never ends up in these places. Kind of strange I think? 
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This thread demonstrates that many muslims today just do not get the meaning of Islam at all. It means to submit to the will of Allah SWT, which in turn means we do what he has commanded us to do. Submitting to your own interpretation of Islam is not what this is about. Hence ten different interpretations are not right but could be right given the circumstances warrant it.
The guy in the video DID NOT say Pakistani’s are not muslim but simply was stating that their lifestyle and customs do set a bad example for people who claim to be Islamic.
The truth is that the majority of people in Pakistan are only cosmetic muslims or have adapted what comes free of pain. I grew up in Pakistan and I can hardly think of anything we do in our normal lives their that help us relate to our religion. Thigns that are common in the life of a Pakistani are bribery, chaanray baazi, gloating over any nice looking woman we see, vandalism, hoodlums, dishonesty, no respect other than don’t say anything in front of an elder, academic cheats, total disrespect for law and order (police has their fair share in this as well), total disregard for public amenities, trying to show off, invisible cast systems (infact some are very apparent) etc etc I can go on forever.
The guy in the video might have dramatized it a bit but his observations were not far from the truth.
Probably 95% of of the muslim population in Pakistan who recites Quran day in and day out or maybe only during Ramadan have never ever bothered to understand what they so devoutedly and faithfully recite. Our intellectual dishonesty is at a high, if you are talented people will try their utter best to drag you down to their level rather than help give you a push and benefit the country and people (if you have sources or resources then no problem).
Tell me how many parents in Pakistan dream of their children becoming a religious person or Imam or scholar. That is the last thing on their mind. People who are underachievers in Pakistan are the ones who become Mullahs, then what do you expect from such people. They have no real formal education or mature understanding of how the society operates or integrates into the world. People who cannot get into higher education or engineering, scientific or medical fields opt for being teachers. When you have the low intellectual people teaching the future generations, can you expect the quality to improve?
Anyone who has studied the Quran would know it is such a minute portion of it that talks about commands and prohibitions, most of it is about ethics and morality and belief in ONE god i.e. Allah SWT. The Pakistani muslims are big about the belief part yet at the lowest when it comes to morality and ethics and the illiterate mullas are all about commands and prohibitions so they can assert their authority, little authority they have been Imams in the masajid. There is no one section of society to blame in Pakistan, they all deserve the blame and if they do not realize that they will all go down together God forbid. Its an ecosystem, but their is no balance in Pakistans ecosystem.
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Isn't the whole "islamuc whorld" like that?
The problem with many such people is that they want to follow the "arabs" as if arabs are always right just because muhammad was born in mecca.
This might not be the case for this guy, but then we are talking in general / abstract terms throughout this topic, aren't we?
It makes me remember of two of our family friends. One guy lives here, works in abbot and is all about implementing khilafat / changing the system blah blah. But at the end of the day he goes back to his derh inch ki masjid. The other guy, though a non-religious indian nationalist muslim, sends $10,000 a year to support students back home especially on scholarships who don't have money for rent, books etc.
Now you decide who is doing the better deed that has a more positive effect?
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Seriously??? Is this man for real? People like him piss me off so much. I can’t believe people actually paid to attend his nonsense lecture. What this guy need is a real job; some hard work will do him some good.
haha! hard work does cure such diseases.
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I think many would appreciate if you atleast accorded the proper respect when mentioning the prophet SAW i.e. Muhammad SAW not just muhammad. When you show respect others will follow.
I think it has little to do with wannabe Arabs but more that we are still fantasizing the good old days and have lost a grip of reality and the most important, we lack education. When I hear muslims say Islam is a complete way of life, I go Ga Ga … its a framework of principles on which you live your life. The framework has simple rules which offer guidance. Those simple rules find different applications in different scenarios and do not HAVE to be the same as they were 1400 years ago. Its like when you are on an ER team or any rapid response team, you follow simple rules which help you arrive at decisions quickly given changing circumstances instead sifting through a glossary of fatwas. The abudance of fatwas is in part indicative of the incompetance rampant among muslims in understanding the guiding principles of our faith.
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Well said.
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Oh for God’s sake, either you dont get the point at all or you just dont want to!!! “naked women” is a figuritive statement! of course no one in paki walks around like that (yet, but with roshan khiali, who knows)… point is if a street is filled with women (like in the west) who are barely covered up, then its hard to avoid looking (not staring) at them! now what is scary is that the ISLAMIC REPUBLICE OF PAKISTAN is encouraging this same scenario to persist in pakistan!!!
u talk about the chances that one isn’t walking in the right street if women are dressed badly/ barely… but what if all the streets in pakistan are transformed into that!!! darr to ishe baat ka hai!!!
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if it is a part of Islam, then can u plz provide some ayat, hadith, fatwa backing this theory up.
We dont need to interpret something that has already been explined, pick up the quran and read the meaning... plenty of interpretation there, all we Muslims have to do is submit to it, rather then interpret it ourselves...
You telling me that Islam doesnt believe in Living ones life and allowing others to live theirs?
So if I dont like the way you live, Islam gives me the right to harm you, or kill you simply because I dont agree with your life style?
There is actually something called introspection, a process in which you actually read and understand, not just regurgatate and memorize. If all you do is memorize and regurgitate, then you lose the flexibility of mind required to understand the world.
There is something called logic, if you cant apply logic to your relgioun or your belief system, then there is something seriously wrong with your belief system...
You cant submit to somthing that you dont understand... Simply reading the Quran as black and white simply doesnt work, because much of it can not be reconciled with the modern world.
The greatest crime is allowing yourself to be impriosoned within the narrow interpretatios of religous dogma. To truly make Islam meaningful, it must be understood within the context of our lives today...
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Im the ghost of a long dead Kafir, murdered for praying to god that wasnt recognized by one of youR holy warriors… And im stand right behind you! BOOOOOO!
Seriously dont understand why you people are so threatened…
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Well, this clearly shows that you do not want accept the truth and accept the fact that your argument was pathetic. You deliberately ignored my whole point of putting forward that example. you remind of those people who follow circular logic:
1- I am always right
2- if i am wrong go back to 1
Instead of honourably accepting that you were wrong you came up with this. SubhaanAllah, come on brother, we are far better than this! btw do you see labels on streets saying that this street is “special” and this one is “ordinary/normal”?
yes, alhamdulillah, i do lot of walking: Masjid, University. I think that’s pretty much.
So could you please explain how Mullahs’ actions affect the imaan of normal Muslims?
First of all, where did you get this word “wahabi” from? Last time i checked Al-Wahab was one of the names of Allah. Saying such things is shirk and please do not label me with any of the groups’ names because then you are directly insulting me and my deen. Come on people, we should leave these ignorant and arrogant things behind. Second of all, i think that brother is a revert, so how did he become a pathan!!
Just like i said earlier, we need to fix ourselves first and then point fingers at others and this is the disease in Muslims world which has spread like a cancer. It is like, although, we know the consequences of smoking, yet we smoke.
Sister, i’m gonna leave this hadith with you
**Abu Umamah Al-Bahili (May Allah Be Pleased with Him) reported: Messenger of Allah (Peace Be Upon Him) said, “I guarantee a house in Jannah for one who gives up arguing, even if he is right; and I guarantee a home in the middle of Jannah for one who abandons lying even for the sake of fun; and I guarantee a house in the highest part of Jannah for one who has good manners.” (Abu Dawood)
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It is blessing month of Ramdan and i do not want to argue with my own brothers and sisters in Islam over small silly issues which we have created for some reasons. I’ll leave this thread with one advice, please acknowledge good differences among yourselves, let’s fix ourselves, let’s not point fingers at each other rather make du’a for each other. Allah Ta’ala didn’t point us judge over the others, we aren’t scholars or anything who can say things in the light of Qur’an and Sunnah. Sometime, good criticisms is helpful but please let’s not argue over it among ourselves.
We’re totally opposite from what Allah’s Rasoul(SAW) said about us:
**The Prophet sal Allahu alayhi wa’sallam said: “The Muslim is a unique Ummah among the whole of mankind:Their Land is ONE, their War is ONE, their Peace is ONE, Their Honour is ONE and their Trust is ONE.” [Ahmad]
**May Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala forgive us and make us strive for His love, Ameen.
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u r saying as if God told u specifically wat hez looking for n wat not.
n no Pakistan is not a country> it is amkhoo he jannat. so many ahmek live there n many also made jannat in a jannat too.
he did answered the question.
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Bhai, I WOULD LOVE TO SUBMIT TO THE WILL OF GOD… But the problem is, that with MANY aspects of Islam, the Will of god is NOT clear!
Hence, since we DONT understand the exact will of God, we must do our best to understand it for ourselves…
Those of us who submit to the interpretations of Mullahs and other beards, are commiting the same sin that you speak of (submiting to someones interpretation.) There are MANY grey areas within Islam, that dont always work in the modern world…
For example, do we as men have a right to hit our wives? Do we stone to death someone who commits Adultery? Do we suddenly stop listening to all music?
The problem is that you SAY we should Submit, but you dont DEFINE how and to what we should submit! You people try to make it so simple without taking into account any of the the complexities of Islam or of Human nature…
Some would argue that they ARE submiting, but because there is no one true interpretation that fits everywhere, we have to find a way to interpret our faith so as to allow us to find our own way towards submission.
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First of all, having read your posts in the past, your just as guilty as me of “knowing” the will of god…
Im only basing my understanding on Logic, which for some sad reason, is completely devoid in the minds of many muslims today…
God has more important things to worry about, like those who go around killing in his name, or raping and murdering innocent people.. God has his priorities all screwed up if he is pissed of at people who partake in such harmless distractions as a mixed wedding, an event that only occurs once in someones life (hopefully)…
And the guy didnt answered anything… He went on a ridiculous rant about how people are bad because the enjoy themselve… He never tells us why these things are bad, or what they have to do with people suffering etc.. Just a ridiculously stupid rant about irrelevant garbage.
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^ Allah ka banda *, you didn't get my argument. I was talking about the hypocrisy of many fake islamic people. You very well know who is a "wahabi" mister.
USresident baji, jaldi me lekha tha but no disrespect to Prophet Muhammad SAW. Maaaf kijeye...... :)*
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Oh for God's sake, either you dont get the point at all or you just dont want to!!!!! "naked women" is a figuritive statement! of course no one in paki walks around like that (yet, but with roshan khiali, who knows)... point is if a street is filled with women (like in the west) who are barely covered up, then its hard to avoid looking (not staring) at them! now what is scary is that the ISLAMIC REPUBLICE OF PAKISTAN is encouraging this same scenario to persist in pakistan!!!!!
u talk about the chances that one isn't walking in the right street if women are dressed badly/ barely.... but what if all the streets in pakistan are transformed into that!!! darr to ishe baat ka hai!!!!!
Yes! For God's sake, understand that mine was a figurative statement as well.