Re: Islam in Pakistan
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Slave - I won't go line by line but will just highlight some obvious errors and fallacoes in your (well composed) post:
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Dont mind go ahead. Yes in your opinion as you seem to be opinionated as usual
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- something that 'comes in your belief system' is nothing but an assumption. You 'assume' it is so because it came in your belief system. All assumptions have a reason (such as yours nbeing b.system). It is still an assumption.
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You havent still understoo my point of a belief system and you concept. I dont consider it as an assumption, i am talking about being the truth thats the Quran, i think i am clear i dont wanna delve on it
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- one crook being muslim doesn't provide any corelation. But when you find 80pct plus crooks are muslim, you have to atleast explore if there's a corelatoion.
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Again if the 80% figure is a fact i agree to it but its not. If you want to determine the corelation i feel its better you take a larger sample size of 1.4 billion muslims rather than just 100,000.
But again since i know they are not more than 80% its fine.
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- islam is not a country. Why would any arguement you develop with that upfron erroneous hypothesis go anywhere? My point abt sharia and kufr is that unless you're prepared to say that all people of a country have to be muslims, you cannout have a muslim code as the nation's law. And for you to say everyone has to be a muslim, will force you to accept that it is a directive, prescriptive and compulsive religion.
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Again it was an hypothesis you seem to re-create my point, its not erroneous because its still an hypothesis.
But in a Muslim country like saudi its different i hope you get my point, no one is trying to use the concept of compulsive religion but just follow the code of law.
Now you explanation was erroeneous. Well i asked yo to look into islamic history.
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* I really don't care about how and why the practice of polygamy started. I'm interested in eradicating this becauise it is an uncivilized and eternal satement that women are less because of gender. And islam / muslims are the biggest practiotioners of this barbaric thing at present.
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This is again is a problem with certain muslims who are uneducated. I dont consider them to be a weaker sex, but i asked you to look into the Quran and not the people around that would make your life better.
My request is dont see the mullah and tell me this is Islam i will straight away ignore it, please get the concept from Quran and then i will respect you for the kind of analysis you have done.
As of today what you have spoken is some analysis from some third party and not the book of God.
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- I am not an atheist.I'm glad you've stopped being one (hopefully on your own) but that does explain your swing from one extreme to another. Guess born again muslims are no better than born again christians. Anyway, all that's irrelevant - I care about what's said, not who said it
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Guess what there is no concept of re-incarantion in Islam and the point you have always picked up is that of an agnostic. But agree with you religion should be on a basis of some rationality and reasoning not blind faith. I am glad i found both of these in Islam.
But i repeat again being born a muslim doesnt provide you license to go to heaven, just born under muslim parents does make you a muslim in by word, literally but not in actual practice unless we take trouble to understand wht is said in the Quran (That is to find the frame work of life in the Quran).
Put it in actual practice. So unless you cant experience you tend to blame but you have to provide opinions from both the sides.
Otherwise we are again bickering and pick up points which are just useless and we come on no common point.
Tariq,
Further you questioning me i had some question to you if you want to answer let me know (I hope you dont runaway this time around)
*Please define me a code of law (Not from pakistan perspective)
*Define me freedom of speech
*How will you make what is said to come into practice
*How will you try to cut down on these extremists (Not only muslims but in general extremism)