Another solution is that the child arrives slightly late to madrassa to change. Ask the child if he doesn't mind changing into Shalwar Kameez for the madrassa instead of going commando on the Imam.
psyah, I DO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH GETTING HIM CHANGED BEFORE GOING TO MADARSA. IN FACT I DID THAT COUPLE OF TIMES IN EARLY DAYS OF THE CLASSES. Problem is the wrong concept that my child is learning i.e Islam has "something" to do with Shilwar Qameez.
As far as respect of teacher is concerned, no denying that but please for heaven sake, you are not required to obey all wrong orders too specially if they are adding "bad-dat" to Islam. If they make it a dress code, I'll love to oblige.
For all the "shilwar QAmeez" lovers, let me assure you guys, even though I am out of Pakistan from last 11/12 years, each member of the family has reasonable number of shilwar Qameez from good quality from JJ, Adnan's and other designers to everyday use shilwar qameez. We all love to wear it on occasions so please be over the concept that I have any problem with Shilwaq Qameez.
Its not a dress code. I have already checked the material and all it says (and I quote)
"Children should be dressed in proper dress (i.e satar)"
Off course I'd have no objection had it been the dress code and to be frank its not the problem of Pants or no Pants. Its only going to bug me if wrong concepts of everyday live are taught.
I have not read posts after this.
For the sake of giving you a different perspective:
So if they make it dress code to be shalwar Qamiz, you will be Ok with that and will not question again?
Will you question why Shalwar Qamiz is dress code or agree just like you agreed to pant and shirt for karate.
I assume you did not question Karate/Martial art dress code.
Now if your child was wearing any clothes and was going to Karate and you did not have time, you would have taken all efforts to change his/her clothes in the car or on the way wouldn't you?
But shalwar is a sleeping suit. We made big mistake when we adopted it as "official" dress in Pakistan. People show up in the office as if they just got out of bed. Turks wear pants and their Islam is not in danger. I don't know why Pakistani Islam is so vulnerable to a pice of clothing.
FYI. "dress pants" (and not torn up jeans) and a nice full sleeve shirt could be as Islamic as any other type of clothing.
Shalwar or Pajama is not a sleeping suit.
It has never been until we started calling it 'Pajama suit' for sleeping suit as english masters told us to call it.
Wearing pants does not make anyone non-islamic.
Thats not the point. the point is to conform to the place where the child is going.
When the child goes to martisal art/karate class. The child wears required dress. No questions asked.
So why ask when someone is telling otherwise.
If shalwar Qamiz is not a dress code written then one may ask question but be ready to accept if and when it becomes a dress code.
Try walking in to a certain hotel or dining place without jacket and tie. You will be looked upon as if you have murdered someone.
And you will be very apologetic and accept the rule without question.
^ I am not exactly sure what your point is. If a school has a dress code as shalwar kameez, and parents like that school, by all means all kids should abide by it. If a school has a uniform of brown slacks and white shirts, and parents like that school, they should abide by it. Same is true for any other dress code e.g. martial arts etc. A martial arts school will probably not allow you to be in a class if you are dressed in suit and tie either. So a little common sense is also required to make sure kids are dressed appropriately.
Now, I think the purpose of the thread was not to diss shalwar kameez (I actually like that dress) or to downplay the importance of teachers, but the misguided conception that shalwar kameez somehow represent Islam, where as trousers-shirt are unislamic dresses. Of course, if you look strictly according to cultural issues, the Arabian taub is probably more "Islamic" than a shalwar kameez, but that would imply Islam is stuck in middle east and is not a universal faith.
^ I am not exactly sure what your point is. If a school has a dress code as shalwar kameez, and parents like that school, by all means all kids should abide by it. If a school has a uniform of brown slacks and white shirts, and parents like that school, they should abide by it. Same is true for any other dress code e.g. martial arts etc. A martial arts school will probably not allow you to be in a class if you are dressed in suit and tie either. So a little common sense is also required to make sure kids are dressed appropriately.
Now, I think the purpose of the thread was not to diss shalwar kameez (I actually like that dress) or to downplay the importance of teachers, but the misguided conception that shalwar kameez somehow represent Islam, where as trousers-shirt are unislamic dresses. Of course, if you look strictly according to cultural issues, the Arabian taub is probably more "Islamic" than a shalwar kameez, but that would imply Islam is stuck in middle east and is not a universal faith.
So people like you would love to see tight pant man showing the size of his butt and perhapse give you an idea of the size of his tool,
or
a woman walking on street with a tight shirt showing her boob size or her cleavage giving you the clue how far her nipples would be and not be worried about it.
When someone asks you to wear anything loose so body figure is not so obvious you will think sky is about to fall or everyone on earth is going to drown in to the flood of religion?
By the way, Islam is not stuck in middle east.
**THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE WHO THINK OF ISLAM ARE STUCK IN MIDDLE EAST.
I don't know why all the men in this thread are so concerned about dress code and shalwar kameez etc for a 6 years old.............
I'm only worried about the teacher being harsh on your child, and I see it as a problem as your child might start relating Islam as a strict and harsh religion in later years of his life.
Talk to his teacher about this also when she comes back and if she doesn't understand then look for another institute.
All my childhood I was told to wear pant shirt by my parents and teachers and it was not allowed to wear shalwar kameez in my school. In parties etc... I was told that pant shirt looks more cool.
When I visited Pakistan I was reluctant to wear shalwaar kameez because I was not used to it. At times during eid and other occasions some of my relatives encouraged me to wear shalwaar kameez but I told them that I am not used to it thus it makes me uncomfortable. But when I visited my village and other cities of Pak and saw everyone wearing SK I realized that if not officially at least unofficially we can call it a national dress of Pakistan as even at times in UK and other countries if a person is wearing SK, people would think of him to be a Pakistani or afghani.
Now years later, I no longer accept the pressure of my parents, bosses....etc. to prefer pants shirts over SK while attending a meeting, or going to any gathering. Who on earth has told the boss that wearing suit and tie makes a man more gentleman than wearing a SK. And ofcourse all those years in my school and college I never came across a situation where the principles showed any flexibilty in allowing anyone to wear shalwaar Qameez, even in PAF schools in Pakistan.
And yeah! whatever shah ze ziyada shah ke wafadar means, I never attended a madrasa or was taught by any maulvi to prefer SK. It is my personal choice and ofcourse Alhamdulillah I don't suffer from an inferiority complex (not all but some do suffer from it) that if I wear SK in an official meeting it would lessen my honor.
Yep, the rules are to be twisted in madrassas, but in schools and colleges I haven't seen a single person showing courage and standing against the imposition of pant shirt and tie and banning SK in PAF schools that I went to. What a pity, living in Pak and the most common dress of common people not allowed in a lot of schools. I heard from elders that such rules used to exist at the time of British rule before "independence"
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If I allow my son to wear whatever he likes in madrassa, but follow strict dress codes in school, judo, boxing, football....etc. then it might be sending this message to his little mind that if your madrassa teachers wants you to do anything, you may object and disobey, but not in case of teachers of other institutions. Either such a rule should be for all institutions or for non of them.*
Yes, you are right, shalware qameez is "sleeping suit", instead we should've adapted chaddee and banyan (or "sweetly" nicknamed Shorts and T-Shirt) for "national dress".
Hey man! Not sure what this national dress business is anyways.
If you fancy chaddee, then wear it to your hearts content.
If at all, look at Jinnah our nation's father. He mostly wore three piece pin-striped suits. Sure on few occasions, he was fitted with Shariwani but most of his life he was the pant-shirt suit wearing smartest looking leader.
Shlawar kameez on the other hand was a tribal custom mostly worn by anti-Pakistan sellouts tribals like Maudoodi.
Too bad we in the name of false nationalism, left Jinnah's refined habits and adopted customs of uncouth tribals.
And look what happened then! Pakistan is now a jannat for uncouth tribals from all over the world.
For the sake of giving you a different perspective:
So if they make it dress code to be shalwar Qamiz, you will be Ok with that and will not question again?
Will you question why Shalwar Qamiz is dress code or agree just like you agreed to pant and shirt for karate.
I assume you did not question Karate/Martial art dress code.
Now if your child was wearing any clothes and was going to Karate and you did not have time, you would have taken all efforts to change his/her clothes in the car or on the way wouldn't you?
All of your post is based on assumption, too many of those. Nothing thats happening now. Off course once its a dress code, I dont have any problem with it.
Either I am unable to convery the underlaying concern or you (and some other posters) are simply ignoring it. Let me spell it for you
Why tell kids to wear shilwar qameez isntead of pants shirt when there is no dress code and tell them that shilwar qameez is more islamic to the extent that kids starting to relate shilqar qameez to islam
Its easy for me to answer kid if he asks why to wear the shilwar qameez if its a dress code but if its not, I dont have any answer to his question or may be "becuase your teacher said so" is the best i an come up with
All of your post is based on assumption, too many of those. Nothing thats happening now. Off course once its a dress code, I dont have any problem with it.
Either I am unable to convery the underlaying concern or you (and some other posters) are simply ignoring it. Let me spell it for you
Why tell kids to wear shilwar qameez isntead of pants shirt when there is no dress code and tell them that shilwar qameez is more islamic to the extent that kids starting to relate shilqar qameez to islam
Its easy for me to answer kid if he asks why to wear the shilwar qameez if its a dress code but if its not, I dont have any answer to his question or may be "becuase your teacher said so" is the best i an come up with
Yes, if there is no dress code then there is no compulsion.
Many times the codes are not actually written but we still try hard to comply with anyway.
I gave example of going to some restaurants at dinner time.
" because your teacher said so"....... nothing wrong with that.
Perhaps the child will learn to respect teacher's wish.
There are so many things kids are asked to do in other schools and parents make sure they comply with the request. No questions are asked.
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Either I am unable to convery the underlaying concern or you (and some other posters) are simply ignoring it. Let me spell it for you
Why tell kids to wear shilwar qameez isntead of pants shirt when there is no dress code and tell them that shilwar qameez is more islamic to the extent that kids starting to relate shilqar qameez to islam
Its easy for me to answer kid if he asks why to wear the shilwar qameez if its a dress code but if its not, I dont have any answer to his question or may be "becuase your teacher said so" is the best i an come up with
DC! You have been around GS for a while. Right?
Asking such questions is surely a recipe of flame wars.
For your particular situation, why you want to torment your kid by sending him to madrassah?
Buy the basic books and teach him yourself. Just 15 minutes a day of love and teaching will do him more good than you can ever get from hours on end heart-less soul-less blabbering in this place.
Us the Pakistani Muslims have closed our eyes and shut our senses down about the dangers of madrassahs.
We have also "outsourced" the most basic of education and now we are raising new generation that is largely incompatible with our world.
Shalwar Kameez is no Islamic dress. Who in the Messenger pbuh's time would even wear a sleeping suit in public?
The emphasis must be brought back to "sensible education aka awareness" of our future generations. And Madrassah is the last place one could get such awareness.
99% madrassahs are run by Juhala (arrogant and intolerant) people. No wonder our nation is in religious mess and our Qasabs are mowing down people in other countries.
Listen to your kid and please realize his situation. You or you wife should be able to teach him much much better than some half-brain madrassah teacher.
Asking such questions is surely a recipe of flame wars.
For your particular situation, why you want to torment your kid by sending him to madrassah?
Buy the basic books and teach him yourself. Just 15 minutes a day of love and teaching will do him more good than you can ever get from hours on end heart-less soul-less blabbering in this place.
Us the Pakistani Muslims have closed our eyes and shut our senses down about the dangers of madrassahs.
We have also "outsourced" the most basic of education and now we are raising new generation that is largely incompatible with our world.
Shalwar Kameez is no Islamic dress. Who in the Messenger pbuh's time would even wear a sleeping suit in public?
The emphasis must be brought back to "sensible education aka awareness" of our future generations. And Madrassah is the last place one could get such awareness.
99% madrassahs are run by Juhala (arrogant and intolerant) people. No wonder our nation is in religious mess and our Qasabs are mowing down people in other countries.
Listen to your kid and please realize his situation. You or you wife should be able to teach him much much better than some half-brain madrassah teacher.
You have no right to insult our national dress by calling it sleeping suit. Have you ever seen a sleeping suit? I'm sure you haven't because shalwar Kameez is nothing like a sleeping suit.
It doesn't matter if Qabailis wore it or Sindhis wore it, now everyone wears it, even in India and in the West it's a popular dress.
So Please stop being silly.
Do you know your thoughts are extremely messed up and thus you come up with silly and rude remarks, you are an extremist....this is what you are......an Extremist.
All of your post is based on assumption, too many of those. Nothing thats happening now. Off course once its a dress code, I dont have any problem with it.
Either I am unable to convery the underlaying concern or you (and some other posters) are simply ignoring it. Let me spell it for you
Why tell kids to wear shilwar qameez isntead of pants shirt when there is no dress code and tell them that shilwar qameez is more islamic to the extent that kids starting to relate shilqar qameez to islam
Its easy for me to answer kid if he asks why to wear the shilwar qameez if its a dress code but if its not, I dont have any answer to his question or may be "becuase your teacher said so" is the best i an come up with
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If the teacher has explicitly said that Shalwar Kameez is Islamic, the correct adab is to take up the issue directly with the teacher in question. If the teacher maintains this argument then perhaps take it further.
If the change of clothes is for another reason however, for example needs to be clean to be in the masjid and be washed after the Martial Arts session then this is something that you will need to facilitate for your sons sake.
I agree that Shalwar Kameez is not any more Islamic than Shirt Pants. Perhaps you can get your son clean and give him a wash afte Martial Arts before sending him to Madrassa with Shirt Pants and then see what complaints you will get. I presume they will be fewer!
