Guys we just got our 6 years old registered at local well reputed (after school) Madarsa so that he can get Islamic Education with his regular school too.
Now it looks like his teachers tell him quite strictly to wear “shilwar qameez”. We do normally dress him up in shilwar qameez but twice a week he go to a Martial Arts class and from there directly goes to Madarsa so he has to be in Pants/Track Suit. Today when we dressed him up in Pants Shirt, he actually cried and said that he has to wear the shilwar qameez and that teacher is gonna be harh on him.
I personally don’t believe that there is any “Islamic Dress” out there and I certainly don’t think that “Shilwar Qameez” has something to do with Islam. As far as its within the limits defined by Islam, it should be good.
My kid is getting wrong concept of Islam to start with. I am planning to go to Madarsa tomorrow and talk with the teachers/principal about it.
Has anyone of you been in the situation before? what did you do? did you obey the “likes and dislikes of teacher” or did you talked to the teacher or worst got the kid of the Madarsa?
My 3 younger brothers and sister go to after school madrassa and there is a dress code (jubba+kufi for boys and abaya for girls) just like a school uniform or any other uniform there is a uniform for Islamic school. That's 1 thing.
Now what you have to do is go to the teacher and ask the reasoning behind the shalwar kameez first. If he says this is "sunnah" or Islamic then obviously your NOT going to a reputable madrassa. If on the other hand he says it's part of the dress code, then your child must obey the rule. Later, explain the situation that you have and I am sure if the Shaykh is what a Shaykh supposed to be, he will be leniant and let it go. But you have to do your part too.
My 3 younger brothers and sister go to after school madrassa and there is a dress code (jubba+kufi for boys and abaya for girls) just like a school uniform or any other uniform there is a uniform for Islamic school. That's 1 thing.
Now what you have to do is go to the teacher and ask the reasoning behind the shalwar kameez first. If he says this is "sunnah" or Islamic then obviously your NOT going to a reputable madrassa. If on the other hand he says it's part of the dress code, then your child must obey the rule. Later, explain the situation that you have and I am sure if the Shaykh is what a Shaykh supposed to be, he will be leniant and let it go. But you have to do your part too.
Its not a dress code. I have already checked the material and all it says (and I quote)
"Children should be dressed in proper dress (i.e satar)"
Off course I'd have no objection had it been the dress code and to be frank its not the problem of Pants or no Pants. Its only going to bug me if wrong concepts of everyday live are taught.
That sounds like a crack-pot madarsa to me! Lots of people around the world wear Shalvar Kameez, its not an Islamic dress, and lots of muslims around the world have never seen a shalvar kameez. If they want the boy to be sharia compliant (whatever that is for boys) I am not sure, that's one thing but to insist on a national dress is just silly.
It is not a big issue to dress the child in shalwar kameez. If you don't empower the madrassa then how can your child ever respect the Imam?
There are certain etiquettes for the seeking of knowledge and one of them is to be clean. Going to madrassa straight after martial arts and not changing the clothes is not nice, unless you are saying that he goes to martial arts in pant shirt, changes in his martial gear, then changes back into pant shirt, then goes to madrassa. If that is the case then he can change in the madrassa into his shalwar kameez. If you choose to you can dress him in a jubba I don't think the Imam will object.
I think it is a matter of your convenience that you seem unwilling to take all those different groups of clothes.
Maybe you should change school. Seems like the teacher/molvi might not be quite an educated person himself and if he was then he shouldn't have a problem with pant shirt.
If a martial arts school can enforce some dress code , then why can't an Islamic school do so ? They have changing rooms in MA schools. In fact the MA schools want the kids to wear white pant and white robe which they sell to you for an exorbitant price. I have gone through all that for my kids.
if its not dress code, he should be allowed. I use to go to my local mosque when i was kid wearing sometime trouser shirt, wasnt a problem there. i dont know why this moulvi objecting to that. making a dress code strictly for mosque is not right anyway as long as a dress conforms to basic islamic values.
The bigger question is if that martial arts school allow your kids to go in Shalwar Qameez ? Why can't you try to convince them to allow your kids to come in shalwar Qameez Shalwar Qameez is better than track suit.
Why are you trying to bend the Islmic School rule rather than MA school your kids go to ? Because it is easy to do so ?
Poeple can you give her some advice on how to make the MA school change their rules ?
^ that Islam is a culture-specific religion. It is not. There is no Islamic objection to wearing any kind of clothes besides the injunctions for covering specific parts of the body. making kids wear shalwar kamiz in order to attend islamic classes suggests the clothes are not appropriate. notice its not a uniform because its not a specific shalwar qamiz.
now you say why doesnt the martial arts class allow shalwar qamiz? That is exactly the point. Classes restrict certain types of clothing to send a message that a specific type of outfit is not appropriate. For sporting, its common to regard regular clothes as inappropriate. Why are western clothes inappropriate for Islamic class then?
It isnt an objection to the ability of Islamic schools to set clothing policies. I have no objection for example if the Islamic school restricts male kids from wearing shorts or requires female kids above a certain age to wear hijab.
I can understand the requirement of wearing a topi for the boys or a hijab for the girls and long sleeves, fully covered type of modest clothing. That shows respect. But let's say a Chinese convert or an American convert was to go to this madrassah, how would you expect them to adjust to shalwar qameez? Shalwar kameez is a cultural representation not Islamic.
Guys we just got our 6 years old registered at local well reputed (after school) Madarsa so that he can get Islamic Education with his regular school too.
Now it looks like his teachers tell him quite strictly to wear "shilwar qameez". We do normally dress him up in shilwar qameez but twice a week he go to a Martial Arts class and from there directly goes to Madarsa so he has to be in Pants/Track Suit. Today when we dressed him up in Pants Shirt, he actually cried and said that he has to wear the shilwar qameez and that teacher is gonna be harh on him.
I personally don't believe that there is any "Islamic Dress" out there and I certainly don't think that "Shilwar Qameez" has something to do with Islam. As far as its within the limits defined by Islam, it should be good.
My kid is getting wrong concept of Islam to start with. I am planning to go to Madarsa tomorrow and talk with the teachers/principal about it.
Has anyone of you been in the situation before? what did you do? did you obey the "likes and dislikes of teacher" or did you talked to the teacher or worst got the kid of the Madarsa?
Then its not a 'religious' madrassa, more like cultural-religious-madrasa.
Its not about relevance. Its about discipline. Dress code or Uniform just brings discipline in kids. Its a proven fact (in fact a study by a business firm) that in a group of students (or presentee), having uniformity lessens the amount of distraction.
In the case of student kids, instead of looking at each other shoes or clothes, they are focused on what teacher is teaching them, cause everyone is wearing simlar clothing.
Now why Shalwar qameez? I dont know.
When I was in school, we had gray pants and white and blue checkered shirt as our uniform. Why it was that and not green pants and yellow shirt, I dont know that either?
so asking why certain combinations is considered dress code is a question I may not have answer to
^ as described, this is not a uniform. in a uniform, you cant just wear any kind of shalwar qamiz, it needs to be a specific colour and cut. if it were that it might be understandable, but its not. the very definition of uniformity is lost, and most of those benefits you speak of, if one can wear any kind of shalwar qamiz. they would still be looking at each others clothes and shoes, wouldnt they?
its an irrelevant point. the objection isnt about their ability to enforce a particular dress code, but what that dress code is.
i can probably think up dress codes for martial arts schools that would be unacceptable to us too.
What wrong do you see with the dress code of shalwar qameez ? It is modest , it is comfy , it makes boys look handsome and girls look pretty. I have been asked by people of many ethnicities , goray , kalay , chinese , arabs to get them shalwar kameez they think it is very nice looking dress.