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Democratic peoples republic of korea represents democratic values?
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Your mantra of “most Muslims are peaceful and condemn this barbaric act” is laced with poison…why would any sincere person compare a community of billions with a handful of terrorist organisation like ISIS?
Apart from rom this, you know the Islamic ruling on being engaged in the act of anal sex but you want us to deny that part and hug your verdict on it as humane and just. Forget about Saudi…your beef is with 4 billion Muslims who believe in Quran and consider homosexuality a sin.
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There you go again, making stuff up in the first para. Let me say for the UMPTEENTH time that I am NOT. comparing 4 billion Muslims with ISIS. I have to characterize this as dishonesty.
I am not an Islamic scholar. However I was aware that homosexuality is frowned upon in Islam (as it is in other religions). I believe I even stated that in my 2nd post in this thread if memory serves me correctly.
Hence if a Muslim or a Hindu or christian follows his religious belief and concludes homosexuality is a sin, that is none of my business. However, when an infinitesimal portion of any religion SUPPORTS death penalty for homosexuality, I see no distinction between that INFINITESIMAL portion and ISIS as far as treatment of homosexuality is concerned.
This is my last clarification to you on this matter. You are free to distort it per your preference.
Cheers.
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The penalty is for the sexual act ( anal sex) and not for ones sexual orientation. I presume ISIS killed them merely for their sexual orientation and not for the actual act.
If you can’t see this distinction then it’s your problem.
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This is what I love about Foreigners. Due to personal inadequacies and insecurities, they question Islam, but when local US state governments make it legal to fire a man or woman because they are gay. There is absolute silence.
The only people who think ISIL represent Islam are ignorant racists with no knowledge of Islam. Uneducated jahil Muslims. Or former Muslims who wish to put their personal insecurities at ease.
Normal humans don’t see ISIL as representative of Islam as the Tea Party represents most Americans and Christianity.
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ISIS aren’t Muslim. No teachings that they follow came from the sunnah or Quran. As for the story of Prophet But AS it was about homosexuality and they were punished by Allah. They were also stealing from travellers, raping them and mocking their prophet so homosexuality wasn’t the only sin they were punished for. And what ISIS are doing is wrong. Islam forbids homosexuality yes and you are forbidden to act upon such feelings. However having those feelings are not haram. Its acting on them that is. And Allah knows best.
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If you read the news today, they just lashed men for using cell phones. I would love to see where that is a prescribed Punishment in Islam.
I would love to see the people defining ISIL as Muslim explain that.
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Re post 45, more dishonesty. For no one has confused ISIS with Islam.
Rest of the post is pure blather. For the liberals in the west are in the front lines fighting for anti discrimination laws. What is not funny is conservative religious folks from south Asia find themselves on the same side as the religious right in the west when it comes to promoting discrimination against gays. But they are losing. Big time.
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Shut it southie.
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The problem with using religion to promote discrimination against folks is that it goes against all norms of decency. Post 46 first claims Allah punished a group for their homosexuality. And then adds “it was not just about homosexuality. It was also about rape, stealing and mocking a religious leader.”
This script is not much different from what is happening today in the WEST. The religious right (with whom their counterparts from south Asia see eye to eye on this issue) obfuscates homosexuality with child molestation and other ills. Thus dehumanizing a whole group of people.
The only difference is in the West they don’t put homosexuals to death. Whereas some here would support punishments as severe as capital punishment for the sin of committing homosexual acts, as long as it is administered by a popular government.
This should be condemned by moderate and peace loving muslims Hindus Christians etc etc.
REMINDER: THIS POST DOES NOT EQUATE ISIS WITH ISLAM.
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You shut it. Another dishonest post. I have NOT stated there are NO states where folks cannot be fired for being gay in the west. In fact, I have CLEARLY stated the RELIGIOUS RIGHT in the west, aided and abetted by FAUX NEWS, has been against promoting equality. The liberals have been winning. It won’t happen all at once. Remember that the conservative religious folks from south Asia are on the same side of the religious right in the west when it comes to being road blocks for equality for gays. So yes, you can assign some blame where it belongs.
Keep on with your obfuscation tactics. Quite dishonest. And ironically, not very religious.
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yawn Say whatever you wish. The premise remains the same. ISIL violates gay right. So does the West. Its not an issue of who violates it less. Such retarded notions are those who attempt to justify henious acts based on race and religion.
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There are more than 4 billion muslims ? 
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^ That’s what I was told. What’s a billion here or there.
Sorry man zafra, no more time to waste on your less than honest take on matters. Haven’t read ur latest post. If there were any retractions, they r accepted. Don’t worry about it.
You too have a good day now, you hear?
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Poison again.
I didn’t call for any gay’s persecution. But having said that, I’m not ashamed of my belief (the belief of 2.2 billion Muslims) that homosexual acts and marriage between same-sex is sinful and haram.
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I doubt you read anyone’s posts…you read what you want to read. To you, Everyone on here is an extremist Muslim as described by Bill Maher.
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Omg the logic here is boggling me. Kahan se kahan tak baat chalay jaati hai.
If ISIS does something why does this automatically churn up talks about how their actions are Islamic traditions??
They’re not. They take some aspect of Islam then pervert it, twist it and in this case inventing entirely new punishments.
Where is this mofo al baghdadi and why doesn’t he get on the media and explain himself in front of other muslim scholars (like real ones) and get his behind served to him on public TV so we can put an end to this crap.
Isn’t this obviously all unISlamic deviant behavior? I mean Hindus are pagan and they don’t even do any of this crap. I’m pretty sure Babylon was more civilized.
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Forget the ISIS. They are beasts and don’t represent any religion.
It boggles my mind though that some religious muslims are OK with Saudi Arabia ’ s draconian punishment for homosexuality. While religious scripture may have passages against homosexuality, and even include punishment for the same, it is alarming that some take this literally. And justify such punishments.
Criticism of such views is consistent with ISIS having nothing to with Islam.
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When people post about an act of ISIS, I don’t think it’s exactly a benign move to then push muslims to questioning their opinions on homosexuality in general, because it gives people the sense that you’re asking muslims to share in some culpability of ISIS’s crimes.
Like.. “Well, ok you think ISIS is crazy, but don’t you guys basically believe the same core belief that’s driving ISIS to commit it’s acts, which I’m now going to use this as an opportunity to suggest Islam is a false religion that’s just barbaric”.
People are looking at ISIS and hurting, and they’re doing nothing but embarassing us, and now, this one past week there have been a string of attacks on muslims and mosques in America. Pretty bad timing to use ISIS’s crimes to justify why the basic tenents of Islam are inherently wrong. Especially when Islam doesn’t actually perscribe a state punishment for homosexuality overtly.
There is a nice link running around on fb some time back and I haven’t researched the details but apparently there were some famous homosexual early muslims. Would be worth looking into those cases.
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Point taken PCG.
In one of my posts, I had stated that whatever is stated in a religions scriptures is not my business. For each religion has its own views.
The discussion veered to Islam based on one of teggy’s posts. And I write this from memory. Teggy said most folks with knowledge of Islam know its views on homosexuality, or something to the effect.
At that point I felt it appropriate to ask him what he felt the punishment should be for homosexuality. To which he indicated whatever the proper government prescribes.
In my opinion, this is a dangerous attitude. It is one thing to read scripture. And another to stand by and watch when homosexuals are put to death. So I asked if saudi is an example of a proper government. And what is the punishment in meters out for said “crime”
Hareem responded it is punishable by death. And from her posts it was clear she supported it.
Those (including you) who rightly say ISIS does not represent Islam have the moral obligation to criticize current muslim governments who put homosexuals to death. Regardless of how few or large the number.
To not criticize such barbaric punishments and then to claim ISIS does not represent Islam is not kosher.
To support such barbaric punishments (and some here do) and then to claim ISIS does not represent Islam is INCONSISTENT.