ISIS has executed 100 foreigners trying to quit: report

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As indicated by one of the posts by kakaballi about an Indian having to clean toilets only, there is a possibility that they also have 'logistics/facilities' operators/workers in the rank/file staff. I do agree with possibility of power struggle as well.

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I wish your humanitarian approach to jihadis would also extend to 1000s of Yazdi women who have been auctioned off by your innocent jihadi brothers like cattles in sex slavery. Or 1000s dead Iraqis or beheaded Yazdi men and children. And the fact that you are justifying that they thought they were going to Syria to fight Assad again says a lot. They went there...they made their choice by themselves let them pay the price. Western countries should revoke their citizenship & let them rot there.

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Part of humanity in resolving crime is to find where cause and blame lie and how much if any should be apportioned to whom. That is what I am advocating and you are not. Instead, you are associating me with those who I do not myself associate with ... they are your jihadi brothers as much as they are mine Shamraz. If an act is done by a few individuals you should take them to account - if literally people went there became disenchanted and tried returning - you are apportioning the same blame on them as you are the original orchestrators. And to my way of thinking you are labeling "justification".

I have always held the opinion like my Shaykh that Assad is doing crimes to humanity and should step down or be removed from power. My Shaykh approached the West to encourage this stance. They sort of listened for a while, but instead made it next to impossible for real support to be given to the rebels. Now our Shuyukh are not telling us to fight there, but they are telling us to help with aid and they need to generate revenue for the Free Syrian Army, but this has been blocked as well unofficially ... In the meantime people are seeing the biggest masacre recent human history unfold in Syria ... and the media diversion ISIS is taking away all coverage from Syria. ISIS are huge annoyance I would sooner have them removed so the real focus returns to Syrian regime atrocities. However, I do stand for the principle that an injustice to 1 individual is the same as injustice to the whole of humanity - those Yazidis killed and ensalved, Christians and others by ISIS is wrong and I condemn it. Now let's return to the topic ... the people trying to quit need to be heard ... and they will provide important inside information too and the ones who pass all security checks need to be given back their life as best as possible. It may mean they will be monitored - so be it.

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No we are not in agreement over this issue. The only thing we ironically agree on, is that western secular societies mostly tackle issues in humane manner, while the muslim world is quick to call for bloodshed, by justifying said calls with The Quran and hadith. I just think its unfortunate that many muslims are unwilling to ponder on why is it so?

Apart from that we are in disagreement.

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In this day and age, you don’t need traditional media to get your views across. They have plenty of other options to achieve that.

Results so far have mostly been non-violent rallies.

Anti-Islam ‘Pegida’ rally in Dresden sees record turnout - BBC News

But if this continues, how long do you think it will take before the situation turns violent?

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People say stupid things like " your jihadi brothers" or "Taliban apologist" when they start to lose an argument. Anyone with an open mind can see what kind of people have been spewing hatred on this forum.

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Hareem ji, please explain the shasaavera reference, I did not get that. I'm assuming you weren't being nice :)

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:hehe: What else is there that you have said?

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Feel free to read my posts in this thread. I’m not going to reiterate my views.

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Why should it turn violent? And if they want to protest against Islam there must be a reason for it. Most likely the few Muslims who are giving the rest of us a bad name and there are devilish people in contemporary media who spin Islam as if it is an evil ideology and the social media is not totally uncontrolled …

If it turns violent it will be against their own forces … People in power know that you can’t protest against a religion. It doesn’t make sense to do that. In reality the people have more concerns from economic angles. Their trouble is with people and not religion … If Muslims leave Islam - then rallies like this against “Islam” will be on the rise … When Muslims return to Islam then rallies like this will subside and people will love to be with us.

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I have not lost the argument...I'm just not buying your argument that terrorists, you have soft spot for, can be reformed. And even if they are..say 90% of them I'm still unwilling to take chance with rest 10%. And thats not hatred...thats reality b/c most people in west or east don't want be around these rapid dogs. I don't want them around me, my loved ones or in my neighborhood.

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Rabid dogs are insane ... mad ... we don't hate them - we put them down in a humane way, but even then we don't call them rabid before assessing them for rabies. And if giving people their human right is equivalent to having a soft spot for them - then Shamraz we have a soft spot for you also ... You make it seem that we are asking for preferential treatment for them - we are not ... We are asking for one consistent treatment to all humans. And that is the judicial process. Your fear - may be an irrational one ... but each individual needs to be assessed and not everyone is the same - You can say "they are mad" but the truth is "they may be, they may not be"

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Move to Antarctica then. Because if you think that violence is the only answer to counteract violence then you are mistaken.

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this is getting to be ridiculous. of all the ways to explore kindness, you two want to rehabilitate ISIS fighters. this from someone who gets terrified when someone “black and dressed like a gangster” walks down the street towards you. get real. :rolleyes:

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All this 'UK plans to provide rehabilitation to returning monster boys' is exaggerated fluff. Providing rehab in jail? Go ahead, do that. All Category A criminals receive some form of rehabilitation/counselling in jail **- it's a standard practice in UK. ISIS Jihadists won't be the first nor the last set of dangerous criminals to undergo such rehabilitation programme in **jail. That doesn't mean they won't be arrested, won't face trial, and won't be dumped in **jails, **and won't do their time. Stop advertising as if UK and its citizens are waiting with open arms to embrace bunch of sickos who went into Syria with intention to mass murder, spread an extremely toxic ideology, and possibly get themselves involved in plans to attack Britain.

I bolded the word** jail **to emphasis where exactly these sickos belong.

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[mod]NO personal attacks!! Stay on topic please.[/mod]

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I think some people are purposely keep bringing in the "rehab" issue. The main point of my post, as I have suggested few times earlier, was to not to look at this crime of ISIS in a positive light.

Please be honest with yourselves and with the topic!

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peace hareem01

I think "some people" are saying of all the heinous crimes ISIS has done and continues to perpetrate, this one is probably the least likely to offend others, and resembles some kind of poetic justice. Verily, it is a warning sign to many.

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No, I would stay where I’m and would send terrorist to hell. This is reality of these barbarians that you want to rehabilitated.

Sex slavery pushes Iraq

BAGHDAD: The jihadi group ISIS has abducted women and children from Iraq’s Yazidi minority, distributed them as spoils of war and forced them into sexual slavery, driving some to suicide.

The group has targeted Yazidis and other minorities in northern Iraq in a campaign that rights group Amnesty International said Tuesday amounted to ethnic cleansing, murdering civilians and enslaving others for a fate that some captives consider worse than death.

“Many of those held as sexual slaves are children – girls aged 14, 15 or even younger,” Donatella Rovera, Amnesty’s senior crisis response adviser, who interviewed dozens of former captives, said in a statement.

Amnesty said that many of the perpetrators are ISIS fighters, but may also include supporters of the group.

A 19-year-old named Jilan committed suicide out of fear she would be raped, Amnesty quoted her brother as saying.

A girl who was held with her but later escaped confirmed the account, saying: “One day we were given clothes that looked like dance costumes and were told to bathe and wear those clothes. Jilan killed herself in the bathroom.”

“She cut her wrists and hanged herself. She was very beautiful; I think she knew she was going to be taken away by a man and that is why she killed herself.”

Another former captive told the rights group that she and her sister tried to kill themselves to escape forced marriage, but were stopped from doing so.

“We tied … scarves around our necks and pulled away from each other as hard as we could, until I fainted … I could not speak for several days after that,” Wafa, 27, told the rights group.

Amnesty also recounted the story of 16-year-old Randa, who was abducted with her family and raped by a man twice her age.

“It is so painful what they did to me and to my family,” Randa said.

ISIS has boasted of the horrors it has inflicted in its propaganda magazine “Dabiq.”

In an article entitled “The revival of slavery before the hour,” Dabiq argues that by enslaving people it claims hold deviant religious beliefs, ISIS has restored an aspect of Shariah. “After capture, the Yazidi women and children were then divided according to the Shariah among the fighters of [ISIS] who participated in the Sinjar operations,” the article said, referring to the area where the Yazidis were seized.

“This large-scale enslavement of mushrik [polytheist] families is probably the first since the abandonment of this Shariah law,” it said.

The abductions and rapes have drawn widespread international attention and condemnation.

ISIS “now proudly takes credit for the abduction, enslavement, rape, forced marriage and sale of several thousand … women and girls, some as young as 12 years old,” U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said in October.

The abuse causes long-term damage even to those who manage to flee.

Rovera said: “The physical and psychological toll of the horrifying sexual violence these women have endured is catastrophic.”

“Many of them have been tortured and treated as chattel. Even those who have managed to escape remain deeply traumatized.”

In day-to-day life, the group has also dramatically hemmed in women’s lives across the territory held by the group in Iraq and Syria, activists and residents say. Their movements are restricted and their opportunity for work has shrunk.

In Mosul, the biggest city in the group’s self-declared caliphate, “life for women has taken a 180-degree turn,” said Hanaa Edwer, a prominent Iraqi human rights activist. “They are forbidding them from learning, forbidding them from moving around freely. The appearance of a woman is being forcefully altered.”

At least eight women have been stoned to death for alleged adultery in ISIS-controlled areas in northern Syria, activists say.

At least 10 women in Mosul have been killed for speaking out against the group, Edwer said. In August, ISIS detained and beheaded a female dentist in Deir al-Zor who had continued to treat patients of both sexes, the U.N. said.

Relatives of women considered improperly dressed or found in the company of males who are not relatives are lashed or imprisoned. In the ISIS-controlled town of Al-Bab in Syria’s northern Aleppo province, an activist described seeing armed militants walking with a stick in hand, gently whacking or jabbing at women deemed inappropriately dressed.

“Sometimes they follow the woman home and detain her father, or they confiscate her ID and tell her to come back with her father to pick it up,” said Bari Abdelatif, now based in Turkey.

Enforcement varies from one place to the other, much of it depending on the whims of the Hisba, or vice police enforcing those rules. Most of the areas taken over by ISIS were already deeply conservative places where women had a subordinate role in society, but the extremists have sharply exacerbated the restrictions.

Abdelatif said women in Al-Bab are harassed for venturing outside their home without a “mahram,” or male guardian. In the Syrian city of Raqqa, the militants’ de facto capital, activists said women were allowed to leave their homes on their own, but needed a male companion or permission of a male relative to leave the city.

An all-female ISIS brigade, called Al-Khansa, patrols the streets in some areas to enforce clothing restrictions.

Across the territory, women now have to wear the “khimar,” a tent-like robe that covers the head, shoulders and chest. The khimar leaves the face exposed but very often the militants go ahead and force women to put a niqab veil over their faces as well, leaving only the eyes visible.

In the Iraqi city of Fallujah, an elementary school teacher said militants recently dropped by the school to deliver the niqab, robes and gloves for the students to wear.

“I used to wear makeup on occasion but I don’t anymore,” she said, speaking by phone on strict condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

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He isnt capturing non-Muslim women and selling them as sex slaves.

And last I checked, Assad isnt the nicest dictator, but he didn't do to the Sunnis what ISIS is doing to the Shia and others. Christians and Sunnis could still live in Syria under Assad. Only a select few are allowed to live under ISIS.

ISIS are scum on a whole other level. Better Assad then these fanatic nut jobs.