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I dont know how people still think Assad and ISIS are on the same level of insanity.
ISIS is the premier outlet for the worlds criminal sociopaths. I mean whats better then to indulge in your inherent violent tendencies while constantly having the reassurance of divine sanction!
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He isnt capturing non-Muslim women and selling them as sex slaves.
And last I checked, Assad isnt the nicest dictator, but he didn't do to the Sunnis what ISIS is doing to the Shia and others. Christians and Sunnis could still live in Syria under Assad. Only a select few are allowed to live under ISIS.
ISIS are scum on a whole other level. Better Assad then these fanatic nut jobs.
Then why isn't Assad fighting off the ISIS?
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Peace Med911
Assad’s people are as vicious as any ISIS scumbag … You just have not heard it from the conventional media outlets …
Syria has a massive rape crisis | Women Under Siege Project
I have heard you favour Assad many times now … What is with it?
ISIS is scum but in numbers nothing compared to the Syrian Regime in military power and crime rate … You see what you want to see … and what you have been led to see …
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These atrocities were committed in war time. The Assad regime, like I said, still allowed Sunnis to live in Syria relatively unmolested prior to the war. The atrocities were committed as a direct result of the war to people directly involved in fighting the regime.
ISIS commits atrocities not because of the war, and not only because the people they inflict atrocities upon are involved in fighting them. They commit atrocities because it is in their nature to want to murder and pillage.
ISIS commits these atrocities upon people who are not combatants, and because they are Shia or Non-Muslim. Assads regime is going after their opponents, ISIS goes after anyone who isnt Sunni.
Another words, Atrocities committed by the Assad regime are directly related to the war.
ISIS would commit such atrocities regardless of the war, given the opportunity.
End the war, and so end the atrocities committed by Assad.
End the war on ISIS’ terms, and they would still enslave Non Muslims and eradicate all Shia.
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Then why isn't Assad fighting off the ISIS?
Could be because he is to busy fighting the others. And as mentioned some time back, some think the Regime wants to distract everyone from its war in Syria by giving a free hand to ISIS. And by doing so it also aims to portray itself as the least of all evils. Seems quite successful to me.
Assad obviously doesn't give a rats rear end about civilians. But he doesnt hate them either. I think for him, civilians are expendable, but he doesn't go out with explicit aim or eradicating them, unlike ISIS.
Assad's main goal is self preservation. ISIS' goal is to wipe out ALL non-Sunni Muslims systematically.
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With respect Med911
You have little to no knowledge of Assad policies before the war broke out … If you cast your mind back please see why the war broke out … and the level of oppression before the protests that were peaceful but were made to become violent.
Syria was a black ops site for torture interrogations … It used to boast having more layers in government than the CIA.
Masters of propaganda and total control of media - well to the best of their ability …
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ISIS was created in the aftermath of the struggles in the Syrian war and the wasteland of Iraq ... both of these are external reasons for their existence. They are a reactionary group and have come on extreme ...
Notice when Syria made this war a sectarian one - and started calling for Shi'a countries to assist then the reaction from the ultra extreme Sunnis came ... ISIS is the love-child of Syrian war strategy ... made from the dehumanisation left behind from Iraq ...
It continues to behave in a way that favours the Syrian regime - by inadvertently taking media attention away from Syria. ISIS can be stopped easily but some people are benefiting from their presence.
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Im sure Asad is horrible and always has been. But despite it all, Sunnis weren’t being murdered en masse. Nor were they operating Yazidi slave markets. All the attrocites that have been cited by the video by the regime, and the sectarian nature of the conflict as instigated by the regime has been in response to the war. No war, and no protests and none of this would have happened.
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ISIS was created in the aftermath of the struggles in the Syrian war and the wasteland of Iraq ... both of these are external reasons for their existence. They are a reactionary group and have come on extreme ...
Notice when Syria made this war a sectarian one - and started calling for Shi'a countries to assist then the reaction from the ultra extreme Sunnis came ... ISIS is the love-child of Syrian war strategy ... made from the dehumanisation left behind from Iraq ...
It continues to behave in a way that favours the Syrian regime - by inadvertently taking media attention away from Syria. ISIS can be stopped easily but some people are benefiting from their presence.
If the war ended tomorrow, would the Assad regime murder all non Shia civilians, probably not.would ISIS continue to murder Shia and anyone else they deem fit? Most likely. How else would they fulfill the lust of their psychotic militants?
Assad called on his supporters for self preservation. ISIS for whatever reason they came about, isnt even fighting Assad. Their aim is to murder and enslave. Their motives arent self preservation, but self perpetuation.
How all this started is irrelevant. In the end, Assad is known factor, while ISIS is a deranged group
of criminals with beards.
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If the war ended tomorrow, would the Assad regime murder all non Shia civilians, probably not.would ISIS continue to murder Shia and anyone else they deem fit? Most likely. How else would they fulfill the lust of their psychotic militants?
Assad called on his supporters for self preservation. ISIS for whatever reason they came about, isnt even fighting Assad. Their aim is to murder and enslave. Their motives arent self preservation, but self perpetuation.
How all this started is irrelevant. In the end, Assad is known factor, while ISIS is a deranged group of criminals with beards.
if the choices in the ME-Africa are only entities such as the Hamas, Assad, ISIS, Saddam Hussein, Sauds etc they are simply proving the colonial view that without western masters the arabs cannnot survive except as nomads. And western masters don't come cheap. Sad state of affairs
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I do not know what agenda you carry, but to misguide others or oneself stay misguided in front of all evidences has no excuse.
What you wrote is a blatant lie that ISIS is a creation of Syrian and/or Iraqi sectarian situations and is a reactionary group due to local issue (Syrian war strategy) … because ISIS is neither Syrian based, Iraqi based nor they are Sunnis, but they are Kharjee terrorist dogs led by Saudi Wahabis and most of them are of Saudi Wahabi background (nothing to do with Sunni or even Islam in any way). Associating ISIS Kharjee terrorists dogs with Sunnis or extreme Sunnis (Sunnis are never extreme anyhow) is a disgraceful thing to do, as these Kharjee dogs are not Sunnis but are enemy of Sunnis and Islam.
Recent two articles and news confirms that.
1: Most of ISIS front men in Syria and their ‘Suicide brigade’ are Saudi Wahabi nationals (news published in Saudi Gazette (Dammam), News Al-Arabia and other media).
2: Even Sunnis in Iraq have warned USA that they help them get rid of ISIS Kharjee dogs or they would started looking towards Iran to save them from ISIS Kharjee terrorist Fitna (news published in Al-Jazeerah and other media).
it clearly shows that ISIS is nothing to do with Sunnis neither it is anything to do with local happenings in iraq or Syria.
Here are sources:
1: Most of ISIS front men in Syria and their ‘Suicide brigade’ are Saudi Wahabi nationals (news published in Saudi Gazette (Dammam), News Al-Arabia and other media).
Dozens of Saudi ISIS recruits ‘died at Kurdish hands’
Scores of Saudi citizens who joined ISIS have been killed in fights with Kurdish forces, al-Hayat daily reported.
ISIS had selected Saudis as military leaders for the skirmishes with the Kurds, a source said. The majority of people killed in the fights were Saudi but there were Iraqis and Syrians among the dead.
A Syrian human rights activist, who preferred anonymity, said the western Syrian city of Ayn al-Arab is controlled by Saudis who are members of ISIS.
He added all military leaders of most cities and towns are Saudis selected by the militant group.
The source noted that Saudis speak standard Arabic in order not to give away their accent and identity.
However, most Syrians can recognize the Saudi accent, the source said. He believed the majority of people who carried out these attacks were young Saudis who were not even 18.
Al-Hayat published a report earlier about young Saudis who blew themselves up in different places in Syria. All terrorists who join ISIS use nicknames.
However, it is obvious that ISIS relies on Iraqi leaders in matters related to security and on Saudis in matters related to battle and religious issues, the source said.
The reason behind this is that the Saudis gained experience in fighting when they were members of al-Qaeda.
The source said Saudi members are also responsible for everything related to media and information.
It is Saudis who speak for ISIS and recruit new members for the organization, according to the source.
This article was first published in the Saudi Gazette on December 29, 2014.
2: Even Sunnis in Iraq have started looking towards Iran to save them from ISIS Kharnee terrorist Fitna (news published in Al-Jazeerah and other media).
Iraq’s Sunnis may seek Iran help against ISIL - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
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Iraq’s Sunnis may seek Iran help against ISIL
Desperate for arms and military training to fight ISIL, Sunni tribes were considering Iranian assistance as an option.
Baghdad - Iraqi Sunni tribal sheikhs threatened to resort to the United States’ rival in the region, the Islamic Republic of Iran, to get the needed military support in their fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), if the US did not respond to their demands, warned Iraqi lawmakers and tribal sheikhs.
The warning came during a meeting with US Senator, John McCain, who embarked on a short visit to Baghdad on Friday.
McCain met with several Iraqi lawmakers and tribal sheikhs representing the Sunni-dominated provinces of Anbar, Saladin, Diyala as well as the towns constituting the belt of Baghdad, to discuss proposed plans to confront ISIL.
Three Iraqi Sunni figures who attended the meeting told Al Jazeera that a list of demands was submitted to McCain asking for US ground troops, weapons and funds to accelerate the liberation of areas seized by ISIL and grant them (Sunni tribes) a bigger role in the battle against ISIL.
The disgruntled tribal leaders, according to Sunni figures, made it clear that they were considering alternative options to get the much needed military support to drive away ISIL fighters, and that Iran was on top of the list of alternatives.
[So, one can see that local Iraqis (as well as Syrians), be they Shia or Sunni, do not even consider ISIS Kharjee dogs as anything to do with them. Another news is that, in Syria, many Sunnis fighting Asad have joined Kurds to fight ISIS Kharjee dogs.]
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Peace Sa1eem
You need to separate Syrian regime and Syrians when you hear me talking about them … I agree that Syrians are on the whole Sunni people well grounded in tradition. However, the regime is not. And when I say ISIS was created in the wake of the power vacuum between Syria and Iraq - I meant that the situation created this despotic movement … It was capitalised by extremists. Al-Baghdadi himself is from Baghdad. I am not even denying that the funding may be coming from Saudi - but I have no proof either way, except what the media tells us. It was Western intervention that created that power vacuum. And also Western and Syrian regime led dehumanisation that is creating this extreme and Khariji reaction. Otherwise, I can’t imagine that people would naturally be like this … May be that is my fault I have good opinions even about Wahabis. But I can only base my opinions on my interactions with them … not on what the media necessarily tells me about them … I find that I have personally met more hardcore Sunnis that are more out for blood than Wahabis. Our Barelvi brothers for example are always the people who call for blasphemy law to be applied to all people in Pakistan. Yet, we hear the reverse when it comes to the news.
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Brother, you wrote many things that I believe need to get corrected. Normally, I over look them as I do not like to extend arguments, but realised that not correcting them creates misinformation and Fitna. So, here it is.
You are right that Syrian regime and Syrians are separate but their being separate is same as any regime and population of a country. As for saying that population is Sunni but regime is not, that is ridiculous statement. A country is run not by religion or sect, but it is run by nationals, and Syrian regime consists or Syrian nationals. It is also wrong to say that Syrian regime was running the country on sectarian ground. Rather fact is that, they were running the country on secular ground, though notoriously authoritarian and ethnically blind. Regime was/is brutal in suppressing those opposing and resisting the regime regardless of sects or religion of opposition resisting. This is what an Egyptian writer Khalid Doib wrote when discussing Syrian regime, and contested sectarian nature of Syrian regime (I am including his complete article with this post).
Thus, it is obvious that all this sectarian twist is given by Wahabi retards, who taking brutalities of Syrian regime against opposition to their authoritarian rule as an excuse, Wahabi retards wanting to spread fitna and fasad, started propaganda to portray Syrian regime as Shia and Sectarian. Unfortunately, many misguided Muslims are now playing in the hands of these Wahabi Kharnees helping them spread fitna and fasad. One can confirm this from Sunni, Shia or Alavites Syrians who have taken refuge in western countries, and are not Wahabi (Salafi), that Asad regime was not sectarian but socialist and secular.
This fact is also mentioned by an Egyptian journalist Khalid Doib in his article (Syria’s Sunni vs Shia myth), where he noted that Asad regime of Syria is not sectarian regime what Wahabi Kharjees and their retarded supporters want to portray, but Asad regime is a socialist, authoritarian and secular regime. In the article, Khalid Doib explains every issue, negating what Kharjee retards used to create sectarian fitna in Syria.
Same was true about Saddam government in Iraq, that they were socialist, authoritarian and secular regime. Just like world Muslims would not have supported Shia up-rising against Saddam regime on sectarian ground, world Muslims cannot support Wahabis instigated Sunni up-rising against Asad regime on sectarian ground.
Even though Wahabi Kharjees are good in creating fitna and fasad all over the world, especially Muslim world, using Islam, sectarian grounds, takfeer and killing, one have to be careful about their devious propaganda and instigation for violence, as their killing in the name of Islam, sectarianism, or whatever evil ploy they propagate, including rising against regime on sectarian ground in Muslim world would create not only turmoil and massive bloodshed, but Fitna and Fasad that would have no end. For instance, in Pakistan many Shias and Deobandis came to power. Unfortunately whenever Deobandis came to power in Pakistan, they tried to turn Pakistan into a Deobandi country (especially Zia and to extend Thug Nawaz), but Sunnis (Berelvis) and Shias never made that a sectarian issue (what is right thing to do). Just imagine, if Sunnis (or even Shias) would make Deobandi rule a sectarian issue, than what will happen of Pakistan is anyone’s guess, as then, Pakistan would go through a blood-bath.
[Khaled Diab who wrote the article is an Egyptian journalist, and is not Shia or Alawite].
Syria’s Sunni vs. Shia Myth*|*Khaled Diab
Khaled Diab](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/khaled-diab/)
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Syria’s Sunni vs. Shia Myth**
A recent poll on Al Jazeera Arabic’s website asked who was responsible for turning the Syrian revolution into a sectarian conflict: the Sunnis or the Shi’a? Around 95% of those who voted blamed the deterioration on the Shi’a.
Although this result is shocking in its own right, what I find more confounding is the question itself. One would expect of a reputable Arab news channel not to play the sectarian game and reduce the conflict in Syria to a simplistic Sunni v Shi’a equation.
In unspoken recognition of this, Al Jazeera quietly changed the options to “the regime and its allies” or “the jihadists,” though this did not go unnoticed on social media.
And it is not just Al Jazeera that has been guilty of this intellectual folly and dangerous reductionism. Many segments of the Arab and the international media have been occupied with the supposedly growing clash between Sunni and Shi’a Islam.
“The Syrian civil war is setting off a contagious sectarian conflict beyond the country’s borders,” the New York Times informs us. In an article for the Sunday Independent, veteran British war correspondent Robert Fisk warned that the region was now in the grips of a “titanic Islamic struggle” between Sunnis and Shi’a which “now dwarfs the Arab revolutions.”
I am well aware of the Sunni-Shi’a schism which dates back to the very dawn of Islam. I also recognize that a growing number of those involved in the Syrian conflict, especially foreign volunteers (both Sunni and the smaller number of Shi’a jihadists), increasingly see the conflict in such glaring sectarian terms.
However, the reality of the situation is that the civil war in Syria, though it has escalated tremendously, remains essentially a clash between an authoritarian, ruthless leadership and its associated elite (as well as those who feared instability) and the masses tired of bowing their heads.
The fact that Bashar al-Assad is an Alawite does not make Syria an “Alawite regime,” as some contend. There are those who point to how the army’s top brass is dominated by career Alawite officers.
But this is partly a legacy of the divide and rule of the French mandate with its view that the Alawites were the only “warlike race” in Syria, as well as the fact that the military is often one of the few means for the marginalized to get ahead. In addition, fearing how some Sunnis viewed his ascent to power, Hafez al-Assad, the current president’s father, surrounded himself with some of the loyalist of these Alawite officers.
In addition, most of the regime and the Syrian civilian elite which profits from it are Sunnis. Meanwhile, the bulk of the Alawite population still festers in poverty and marginalization – and many of these are struggling against the regime.
Over and above this, influential segments of the Alawite intelligentsia are on the side of the opposition, such as the courageous journalist and writer Samar Yazbek, who was jailed, discredited and persecuted for her opposition. “My heart is broken and I’ll never be at peace again, but I will not stop fighting Assad’s regime, no matter what the post-Assad future holds,” she wrote defiantly.
More fundamentally, the state’s official ideology is pan-Arabist, secular Ba’athism, which though authoritarian is, in principle, blind to ethnicity and religion. Appropriately enough, the original Ba’ath party was established by a Christian (Michel Aflaq), a Sunni (Salah al-Din al-Bitar) and an Alawite (Zaki al-Arsuzi).
This makes secular Syria’s alliance with theocratic Iran in recent years all the more puzzling. There are those who attribute it to some form of Shi’a solidarity or even a sinister Shi’a plot to subvert the Sunni order. But the Syria-Iran axis can be explained simply – and better – using classical geopolitics.
When the Syrian and Iranian regimes first became strategic allies during the Iran-Iraq war, it was more out of a shared opposition towards Iraq than any admiration for each other. More recently, the two countries’ increasing isolation, as well as western hostility towards them, brought them ever closer, as did their common animosity towards the United States and Israel.
However, under less desperate circumstances the two regimes would have likely been enemies. Their ideologies and political visions are mutual anathema, and as for any supposed Shi’a solidarity, Iranians, like Sunnis, traditionally perceive Alawites as heretics.
In fact, it wasn’t until Hafez al-Assad became president that any real effort was made to integrate Alawites into the wider Shi’a community. Seeking recognition for his sect, the former Syrian president, who seized power in a 1970 coup, managed to persuade Musa Sadr, an Iranian-Lebanese cleric, to issue a fatwa recognizing Alawites as Shi’a.
What about Hezbollah, some might ask? Doesn’t its close ties with Syria and the fact that it is fighting on the side of the regime betray this sectarianism?
No, not really. If anything, it reveals careful and cynical political calculations. Hezbollah does not want to lose one of its major backers, while the Assad regime needs all the firepower it can muster to survive.
Those who suspect the Assad regime of harboring overpowering sympathies for the Shi’a of Lebanon need only rewind to 1976. In this early stage of the Lebanese civil war, Syria intervened not on the side of the Shi’a but on the side of the Maronites to push back the advancing PLO-Lebanese National Movement forces, and sat by and did nothing when Israel invaded the Shi’a-dominated south of Lebanon. Hafez al-Assad even allegedly helped install the Maronite Elias Sarkis as president.
Despite all this evidence to the contrary, some insist on the Sunni-Shi’a dimension. But this folly has potentially very serious consequences. If the sectarian idea gains further traction, then it will likely tear the country apart once the Assad regime is defeated, derailing future efforts to rebuild.
More ominously, once the guns fall silent, the hapless Alawite minority could pay a heavy price for this mythical clash if the Sunni majority decide to blame them collectively for Assad’s abuses, conveniently forgetting the fact that most of the regime is Sunni.
Beyond Syria’s borders, if the conflict continues to be viewed through the Sunni-Shi’a prism, there is the danger that it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy and ignite the flames of sectarianism across the region.
The current conflict in Syria (and the tensions in the wider Middle East) are not about some ancient feud regarding the status of Ali, but were and remain essentially a battle between the disenfranchised population and the entrenched and corrupt establishment.
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Peace brother Sa1eem
O’ bhai … I didn’t talk about sectarianism in Syria … I’m not misleading anyone … you are being misled all by yourself … 
Let me tell you clearly how I see this:
Syrian regime = Secular Oppressive Socialist - Allowed Plurality of Islamic Expression
Syria had some bilateral agreements with Iran and Hezbollah in place prior to the war - which were built on sectarian grounds. Syria also had support from other Socialist countries like China and Russia. As a result Pakistan and Malaysia also decided to side with the Syrian regime because of China’s position.
Influential people within Saudi, Egypt and Palestine had vested interests in Syrian collapse for spreading Wahabi/Jihadist ideology. That meant the best friends remaining for the Free Syrian Army and the moderate Sunni Syrians was only with Jordan and Turkey.
Jordan is flanked by Israel … Israel are on the whole neutral with respect to Syria, but don’t mind them being the focus of activity. American’s and Brits want to stay watching the show for a while. There are lots of human atrocities being committed in Syria by the regime and by all the parties who have entered and want to take a piece … The only true helpers of Syria are those who want to restore order and give power away to the already organised opposition … Not those people who support the current regime and not the people who want to take power for themselves …
The Free Syrian Army is a mixed group mostly of traditional Sunnis but there are influential people there with links to the groups that are causing problems … So cleaning up the FSA is going to be a big task … at the end the people are losing out …
Assad initiated his support on socialist grounds but later capitalised on sectarian benefits - although his regime itself is not really sectarian - it is however using that leverage as a way to survive. There are many accounts and I have been second in transmission to these where a person in Syria has told someone who has told me that they have found snipers from Iran. So people are helping the regime for whatever motivation they may have … Likewise, there are many accounts of jihadist killings - a youth for demanding payment for goods in his shop and rape and power and theft … all of this is wrong. It does not mean Assad is right. He was wrong in the first instance when he turned the peaceful protest in to a civil war.
So my stance is like this:
- Democratic - Looking at the benefit of the majority Syrians
- Justice - That opposition in Syria is the majority and should have power
Assad’s removal was called by Syrian’s scholars based on his tyrannical methods, they were not calling for Alawites to be replaced by Sunnis. But they merely wanted to enjoy the rights that are already in the Syrian constitution, but were somehow being circumvented by black ops and layered extra-constitutional government departments.