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Retard, its not about Punjabi vs. Non Punjabi, its about who we are, Pakistani, Muslim, Punjabi / Sindhi and my point is that more and more I am identifying myself as Punjabi than anything else. I have history of 5000 years where as this failed 2 nation theory that created PAkistan for one institute to consume every thing else seems to be out of place and its time for us to question it and the institute that made it happen over last 70 years.
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Since when oppressing minors become Punjabi culture ? Didnt rape of Childern happen in KPK, isnt Bacha Bazi a term in Afghanistan pushtun, isnt this in all places. This is failure of society you retard and not a Punjabi thing otherwise be ready when some non muslim will say its muslim thing because of PRophet and his 6 year old bride ? Put things in to context.
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Defeat and surrender is normal for any armed force. It doesn’t mean you may brand it as timid or incompetent. America was defeated in Vietnam and after fair humiliation had to retreat. Americans tasted similar insult in the Korean war. Latest American war on terror in Afghanistan is also not a different story. So are you going to say Americans are inferior to Indians?
Soviet Union was defeated in the Afghan War and in the aftermath it not only dismembered but its sole ideology of communism also collapsed. Does it mean you’re going to sink Russia into the Black Sea for its failure?
In the Second World War, Brits had to evacuate 340,000 of the Allied troops from France to Britain because they had the means and resources of evacuation. Otherwise Hitler would have captured those 340,000 troops and that number would be just less than 3 times the number of Pakistani troops taken as POWs by India in 1971. In short, those 93000 Pakistani troops as POWs was not really a great success for India. Pakistan couldn’t evacuate them like the allied forces did in 1940. Bengal was over a 1000 miles away from Pakistan. This is a reality you cannot ignore. To make it easy to understand I’ll give an analogy. Let’s say India sends 150,000 troops to ‘protect’ Afghanistan against Afghan Taliban. If Pakistan is smart enough and intervenes in Afghanistan to support the Taliban like India supported Mukti Bahini in 1971, Pakistan will hold these 150,000 Indian troops to settle the score. Now what a big deal?
Americans infiltrating in Pakistan and hunting OBL is less shameful than the OBL brigade ‘allegedly’ infiltrating America and destroying the Twin Towers on 9/11/2001. Am I right?
Pakistan and America were allies when Abbotabad episode took place. Two helicopters with Navi Seals came, one of the copters was down (Americans said it was an accident, but if you have common sense you can tell it wasn’t). Now what if Pakistan gunned down both US copters? Wouldn’t it prove that Pakistan was with Al-Qaida giving shelter to OBL and fighting the Americans for them? Pakistan was not fool enough to do that. It simply let them take OBL whom Pakistanis never owned.
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**What if your forefathers bought an older crap which was 5000 years old?
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Right now, the Muslim Punjab in Pakistan is more than half (some 70%) of Pakistan’s armed force which is a deadly enemy of Hindu/Sikh Punjab treading that 5000 years old Punjabi ideology and culture under its boots.
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I am punjabi, you dont know this culture better then me. ****** feudals and chaudhries opress poor class is simple fact. The. Punjabi army is opressing your haramkhor ganjjas according to you. What else you want to know?
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Wrong. In case of 9/11 “unknown” civilian terrorists boarded planes and did terrorism before there was a full fledge war on terror. All the failures were accepted and heads were rolled, and processes were in place. In case of Abbottabad, a known man, worlds most wanted is found in Kakul when another country Military flew undetected in to a Garrison city and found him and than told our Airforce to stand down and will be destroyed. Sorry there is no comparison. One is act of terrorism, one is utter humiliation.
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Right, so than where is accountabilty for the rogue elements that were hiding that idiot in Kakul ? Some where some accountability should happen, all I remember the haramzada in charge Pasha trying to get even with politicians who committed a crime of asking him if he was sleeping. BTW, US told Pakistan a severe punishment is on its way if any thing happens to US helicopters on way back and some of our finest peed their pants (Rightfully so), point here is that where is accountability of this humiliation ?
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There are some facts you can’t deny:
I also came across news which was circulated in the media that Musharraf didn’t get all onboard when initiating the Kargil offensive. You should know it was not surprising. The same happened in 1965 War. Ayub also didn’t share his plan with everyone.
There was no rebellion against Musharraf in the army which showed two things: army is very disciplined and organised institution and despite a difference of opinion in the top leadership, there’s no inside coup or rebellion within it, secondly, army did give its silent approval to Musharraf’s decision by letting him take over Pakistan in the 1999 military coup. Therefore whatever a stupid analyst has to say about Kargil, no one can deny these two facts that I’ve shared with you just now.
Now let me tell you how Pakistan achieved from the Kargil mission:
Pakistan told India, they were now a nuclear power and they had the audacity to challenge a multiple times bigger enemy.
Pakistan proved India now didn’t have balls to cross the LoC or international border. 18 and a half years have passed. It hasn’t happened. Indians do dance around their Bollywood trolls who claim they carried out a surgical strike inside Pakistan, but they are just stupid claims.
Pakistan showed Pakistan was not going to forget Kashmir and would hit harder next time. Perhaps Kargil was a test fire before an actual one. It certainly was.
In 2018 Pakistan is far more powerful than it was in 1999 with a store of its deadly nuclear arsenal and a trusted and guaranteed mighty power called China who has the ability to turn Mother India a widow once again.
70,000 Pakistanis were killed because of the US war on terror not the Indian series of Bollywood 
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Right, selective application of history ? Lets compete your facts. Vietnam war was never lost or won in 60s. If you have to see result, Vietnam is Staunchest of the allies of the US, had US lost the war, why would Vietnam be a strong ally today. In process, US achieved what it needed and didnt achieve few things but they didnt surrender and went to jails in droves. No defeat and surrender is not normal. Look at Battle of Iwo Jima, Japnese soldiers died with dignity. Where is this dignity with our army. Fine they lost the war, why these mother ****ers didnt fight till last bullet or death, because they didnt have courage and tahts where I want us to not make our army what its not, that is some kind of untouchable god.
I dont recall any surrender of americans in Korean war, despite, they have huge presence in Korea to keep eye on Asia, South Korea is a Staunch ally.
Brits evacuated 340K in Dunkirk at the begining of the war, they lost that battle but won the war, they didnt marched in to jails. Brits fought just like Germans and Russians and Japs and Americans in WW2 with courage. Seldom you saw loser attitude that our armyh had in 71 in WW2 (mostly from Italians).
Point here is not to compare, point here is Where is accountabilty ? why no court marital after 71 ?
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Let me further explain the meaning of ‘humiliation’ to you. NATO troops of more than 40 countries led by Americans failed to crush a small force of Taliban in 17 years now. Trump is crying and blaming Pakistan for the failure. Do you think it’s a proud moment for America?
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Oh my, all I can LOL. BTW so there is no indian excursion for 18.5 years, was there one in 18.5 yrs before 1999 other than taking over Siachen. Whom are you kidding ? No Pakistan didnt tell India anything other than that two generals decided to go to war with out prep and ended up with humiliation, and dead bodies of young soldiers. No Pakistan didnt show anything about Kashmir. Fine dont forget Kashmir but that doesnt change any thing, Kashmir on indian side will stay with them and Kashmir on this side will stay with us, if you want to keep dreaming fine.
If there is ever a war, no one will allow Pakistan to use Nukes., its not a funny business and world is not sleeping. Nor does India a growing economic force needs to fight Pakistan. We try to make ourselves too importan.
For China, their trade with India is growing faster than with any one else. Sorry but Chinese are also business people, unit of money is same for every one.
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Did Americans went to jails? did Americans lost anything? didnt American quite successfully built a watch tower here, they never card about Afg, they wanted a place to monitor which they have. What exactly is wrong here ? 70,000 of Pakistani people are dead by the hands of these Taliban. Not sure what your point is and if there are failures of the US here in AFG, its not like their civilians are dying in droves ?
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There is justification to why Pakistani troops (mainly Punjabis of 5000 years old culture lol) surrendered to India in 1971.
East Bengal had turned against Pakistan Army (that they called Punjabi Army). Continuing with fighting would be suicidal with no objectives achieved. They surrendered, humiliated yes, but saved lives of those soldiers on whom Pakistan had invested a lot, they could have served the left over West Pakistan in future. It was an awful but smart choice. They could have carried on fighting but it would give them heavy casualties and would end up surrendering anyway.
In armed forces, dignity is important but saving lives of soldiers and their families and other civilians is more important.
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You think Americans didn’t lose anything?
Didn’t they lose the American pride in Afghanistan? Didn’t they ruin their economy? Are they as powerful economically as they were in 2001?
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Let’s play with numbers: You know what the size of Pak Army is? And do you know that more than the size of Pak Army is the size of Indian troops stationed in Kashmir alone. With this difference of manpower, India also has greater quantity of conventional weapons. Still Pakistan keeps prodding Indians and keeps them busy in Kashmir.
Indian held Kashmir is liberated or not, the point is it’s not letting both nations come to friendly terms. And this enmity between India and Pakistan has a cost. Pakistan will keep blocking India for its access to Afghanistan and Central Asian Republics etc by land route, whereas India cannot block Pakistan likewise.
As for Chinese trade with India, here’s something for you:
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Wht pride was lost ? Yes, America is as or more powerful economically. Real estate investment from Asia is all time highest driving west coast prices to record high, NYSE and stocks are all time high. What exactly has America lost when you bring in the context of 71 humiliation ? they didnt lose half of the country or did walk of shame ? I dont get this America comparison with Pakistan any way. Some haramzaday generals (I happen to know few as unfortunately I am related to couple) have used these laughable comparison of Americans in afghanistan analogies when there is no way to quantify what if any thing americans lost.
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Not sure what is the point here ? yes size of Indian army is large and have more weapons and have never been defeated by Pakistan ever, so thats why there is no reason to keep this enemosity rather work on betterment of economies. Thats all I can deduce from your statement. Is really Pakistan Keeping Indians busy in Kashmir, Ok may be, so how about them keeping us in Busy in Baluchistan and with TTP now, how is that working out ? and is this the way forward, is this the right thing to do. All of this started by our finest btw.
Indian held Kashmir will NEVER ever be part of Pakistan. Its time to move on and try to hav LOC converted to Intl borders for sake of both countries and Kashmiries. They need to move on as well so as we. This drama of Kashmir needs to end.
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You make endless claims without proving any:
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The costs for both wars kept mounting. By the end of Bush’s two terms in office, the War on Terror cost $1.164 trillion. That was added to increased spending for the Defense Department and Homeland Security. President Obama spent $807 billion during his two terms. President Trump budgeted $156 billion. That brought the cost of the War on Terror to $2.126 trillion.
The biggest economic impact of the 9/11 attacks was how the increased defense spending led to the U.S. debt crisis. Without the War on Terror, the debt would be $17 trillion or less ($19 trillion minus $2 trillion.)
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Re: ISI’s dirty war against Pakistan
India’s biggest defeat was in 1947 when Muhammad Ali Jinnah cut off East Bengal and North-Western India off the Mother India. This will hurt the Indians till the end of times. This failure of Mother India is not taught in their history books as it is, rather they vilify Jinnah to look for some justification lol.
The fact that a country much smaller in size and strength attacked them in 1947, 1965 and in 1999 and incurred losses to India. Yes Pakistan was also hurt from these wars, but the point is these wars made Pakistan a Nuclear and Missile power which now stands undefeated in the face of India.
Indian middle class is growing but a population higher than that in Pakistan is suffering and living under poverty line and without toilets. When a super power Soviet Union can collapse with all its military might, India will definitely collapse with her military, her dreams of becoming a Desi-Super Power, due to those hungry masses living without toilets.
Did Altaf Hussain represent the whole of Pakistan like Narindar Singh Modi? Did whole of Pakistan vote for a terrorist compared to the whole of India that voted for a terrorist?
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You know what, I’ll give something to you to laugh at your own arguments.
You know how many Pakistani troops are deployed in Balochistan compared to the number of Indians deployed in Kashmir.
**In Balochistan roughly 22,000 military and para-military troops are deployed while India has stationed 700,000 of its troops in Kashmir.
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Does it explain anything or you want me to further clarify the difference?