Not exactly. Yes a larger part of army is from the province of Punjab but thats why I used the term Class. It appears that once you have uniform on, you are part of a class that is not Accountable, Untouchable and second coming of some prophet.
Also, as a Jutt punjabi from heartland, its strange that this idiot Bajwa is first Jutt COAS where as vast majority is from Potohari areas which to me are not exactly Punjabi.
In any case, you are right, we can not disassociate when we feel like it hence my mantra of I as a Punjabi is starting to feel more proud of my self being a Punjabi with 5000 years of culture than so called Country based on failed 2 nation theory or even on basis of religion and hence questioning all this. In any case, accountability, punishments (including capital) are need of hour for some army men to reverse the growing hate. its 70 years of perpetual rule, blame every thing on politicians, rape law, rape vote and still keep a god like existence is not acceptable to me.
Who gave Ayub Khan the right to put the President of Pakistan in prison? Ayub Khan was a usurper, a criminal, who hijacked this country and gave birth to Bangladesh because of his oppressive and racist policies.
India has been a failed state for various reasons:
There are more people living in India, than the total population of Pakistan, below the poverty line. India failed to feed them and providing them and others with toilets, yet it’s been dreaming to become a Desi-Super-Power lol.
Bangladesh achieved independence in 1971, yet its economy is better than all states of India except Maharashtra.
In countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan, no terrorist can become the Prime Minister, but in India the notorious terrorist called Narindar Singh Modi who was internationally recognised as the butcher of Gujrat was able to be elected as the Prime Minister. Shame on India for electing such a degenerate as their PM.
Do you think Indians mention their failures in their textbooks? Do you think they teach Chawinda, and other failures at the hands of Pakistanis to their students?
Pakistan also highlights its successes more than failures to its people.
You can’t say India won the Kargil War. It was Pakistan who crossed the LoC and shagged Indians, sent body bags to various parts of India, whereas Indians didn’t dare cross the LoC. The nukes that we tested in 1998 had given us courage to beat India on their side. I agree with that decision of Musharraf to go to war with India. After all it was India who tested her nukes in 1998 and instigated us to do the same. Indians understand only one language, boots and bullets. They understand no other language.
You’re Punjabi ideology and culture failed in 1947 when Punjab was divided in two halves on the basis of religion or Two Nation Theory. And in case of Punjab that theory is still valid
havnt you seen how haramzaday fudals and chaudries in villages oppress poor class?
I being an average class is ok with army because they are “oppressing” the class that oppresses me. Infact you are tasting your own medicine.
what about auqaat of army, 93000 haramzaday marched to jails, Americans came and ashamed these haramzaday in their garrison city and found OBL. What about the piece of $hit Raheel who came to the US 6 times uninvited and didnt get more than few pics. How about that, remember salala ?
Nope. Yes Pak crossed the border at the time when two countries were getting together and destroyed the peace process for good, Two generals didnt discuss this with PM or with Air Force or Army. Yes Pak army sent Body Bags at the start of the war but more body bags came to Pakistan once Indian Air Force took control (our F 16s were in hibernation mode / repair etc. with only few available to protect Khota, this was the coordination of attackers), several 100 of Norther light infantry men and regular soldiers died, I am cousin of two 2nd LTs that were martyered in this stupid excursion. In the end Kargil is with India so India won. Entire world stood with India and later haramzaday General say they came back because of Nawaz, did they ask him to go ? Musharraf was so out of place that his own ARmy wasnt ready to fight a war let alone Navy and Airforce. In short it was another humiliation, no more no less. Musharaf and other general (Aziz?) who master minded this should be marched in front of shooting squad for what they did.
You can hate India all you want, but facts dont change, its time to get past this crap. Its not like most humiliating surrender since WW1 was done by them to us. Unless we accept the truth, we wont get better.
As for what language they understand, how did that work out for us in Gibraltar, 65, 71, Kargil ? 70,000 Pakistani people are killed by the cancer our army created to teach India lesson. Whom you kidding Bro ?
Yes Punjabi ideology and culture failed in 1947 when our forfathers bought the crap they call 2 nation theory (or is it 3 nation theory or what ever it was).. but perhaps now its the time to rethink for us and find recourse to these mistakes.
Actually, I learned about Asal Uttar and Chawinda comparision by online search from a page that is of Indian military academy. So yes they actually are keeping facts better than us. By the way they still have our Flag upside down in their military academy. However, thats all semantics.
To the facts, if you believe India is failed nation, than thats fine. From every perspective, India is one of the fastest growing economy, their middle class is growing. I have seen droves of Indians moving back to India from US here. Are they perfect no, but are they better than Pakistan, hell Yes. Few days ago I was speaking at Indian American Chamber on smart cities and I was blown away with the work they are trying to do in various cities to make life better for citizens. ITs a process and its happening. Is it really happening in Pakisan. We should not let objectivity out of window. Its Ok to agree where a Foe is better and try to replicate it rather than denying it.
As for Terrorist, well again, Modi WON vote of millions, we have to accept it. Didnt Karachi voted in droves for MQM, hasnt MQM been involved / called out for ethnic killings, didnt MMA (political wing of Taliban) won in 2002. Yes Pakistan is better in voting but that doesnt mean an elected PM become a terrorist. IN the end, he is elected and thats what people of India choose. BTW he is doing great for India.
and further this is no Ishan of army that they are training Police. All around world armies train other law enforcements as they are given most budget and what not. Army is doing its job here simply in training police.
You have to be utter retarded to say “impress modi” like Modi would give a rats ass what some Pakistani may say or not or even whats happening in Pakistan. Its time to grow up and measure up to developments in world. They are moving fast in to an economic power, military over there doesnt control govt and still win wars. This so called proxy war that haramzaday started here to avenge 1971 has consumer 70,000 pakistani citizens. Its time to think beyond India as evil and time to question what if any thing bogus 2 nation theory achieved other than slaughter of over 2 million Punjabies and what is right path forward for this county where one institute has consume the country.
Haan, I am punjabi and thats why I am saying its time to put this army in to its place. 93000 haramzaday went to jails after raping and killing muslim sisters and brothers and not a single madarchod was court martiled ? started Kargil war during peace process, thousands of young soldiers killed like rats by Indian air force and no court martial, Osama living in PMA / Kakul and no accountability of Pasha ?? This is what I am saying, once in army uniform, a Class of untouchables, prophet type, God like creatures come about who can’t be held accountable even after giving 3 rives to india, humiliating surrenders, etc. This is what I want my Punjabi brethren to understand and open eyes too, this army cant rule people forever, there has to be and there will be accountability, if not by us than by likes of 1971, Salala type incidents. World is not blind.
