Isa (AS) dead or alive. In the light of Quran and Hadith.

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again, not talking about jamaat e ahmadiyya. Please do let me know what has been offered by you or by RC thus far?..

Since you claim to know the true translation of Quran.. please shed some light on these verses and please reply to the question as well. Thank you. Lets talk about the topic at hand. Death or raised up alive of Jesus AS.

21:08 (09 for some).. "And We did not give them bodies that ate no food, nor were they to live for ever*" *

25:21 ( 20 for some )..And We never sent any Messengers before thee but surely they ate food and walked in the streets. And We make some of you a trial for others. Will you *then *be steadfast? And thy Lord is All- Seeing.

5:75(76 for some) The Messiah, son of Mary, was **only a Messenger*; surely, Messengers like unto him **had indeed passed away* before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. T*hey both used to eat food*. See how We explain the Signs for their good, and see how they are turned away.

Question : *If Jesus AS was JUST a messenger and all messengers ate food and walked in the streets ( just like any normal human being ) , then the above verse says Jesus AS and Mary AS USED to eat food. They no longer do. What is wrong with this understanding? *

Wo kahate hain ranjish ke baten bhula den
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You are absolutely incorrect in suggesting that for the last 14 centuries, Muslim scholars were holding incorrect belief. They were holding the same belief as Jama’at Ahmadiyya holds regarding the Death of Jesus (as).

Following are references from early scholars of Islam regarding the death of Jesus:

  1. Hazrat Aishah, God be pleased with her, relates from the Holy Prophet Muhammad:
    “Jesus, son of Mary, lived to the age of 120 years.” (*Hujaj al-Kirama, *p. 428)
    All the narrators of this hadith are reliable (ibid.)

  2. **Hazrat Fatima, God be pleased with her, relates from the Holy Prophet:
    “Jesus, son of Mary, lived to the age of 120 years.” (Kanz-ul-Ummal, vol. vi, p. 120)

  3. **Hazrat Imam Hasan ascended the pulpit after the martyrdom of *Hazrat *Ali and said:
    “O people! This night there has died a man whose status cannot be reached by the earlier or later generations. The Messenger of Allah used to send him to battle, so on his right would be Gabriel and on his left Michael (Mikal), and he would not return without victory. And he has left but seven hundred Dirhems with which he intended to buy a slave. He died on the night on which the soul of Jesus, son of Mary, was taken up, that is the twenty-seventh of Ramadaan.” (*Tabaqat Kabir, *vol. iii, p. 26)
    Thus the members of the Holy Prophet’s household have not only revealed Jesus’ age at death but make it clear that it was his soul, not his body, which was taken up to heaven, and that he died on the 27th of Ramadaan.

  4. Explaining the Quranic verse, “O Jesus, I will cause thee to die (mutawaffi-ka)”, Ibn Abbas is recorded as saying:
    “Ibn Abbas said: mutawaffi-ka means ‘I will cause thee to die(mumitu-ka) ’.” (Bukhari, Kitab al-Tafsir, on verse 5:110).

  5. Of Imam Malik, one of the four imams of jurisprudence (fiqh), it is written:
    “While most people believe that Jesus did not die, Malik said that he died.” (Majma al-Bahar, vol. i, p. 286)
    And:
    “In the ‘*Utbiyya *it is written that Malik said that Jesus, son of Mary, died.” (*Ikmal al-ikmal, Sharh *of *Muslim, *vol. i, p. 265)

  6. Imam Ibn Hazm, Amawi Zahiri Qurtabi, writes:
    “Jesus, peace be upon him, was neither killed nor crucified, but God caused him to die and then raised him. The Almighty has said: ‘They did not kill him or crucify him’; and ‘I will cause thee to die and exalt thee’; and ‘I (Jesus) was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die Thou wert the Watcher over them’ and ‘Allah takes souls (yatawaffa) at the time of death’. Thus there are two kinds of *wafat: *sleep and death. Jesus in his words ‘When Thou didst cause me to die (falamma tawaffaita-ni)’ was not referring to sleep, but it is correct that by *wafat *he meant death.” (*Mahalli fil-Fiqh, *p. 23)

  7. Abul Hasan Ali Hajwairi, popularly known as Data Ganj Bakhsh, writes:
    “The Messenger of God said that, on the night of the Mi‘raj, he saw Adam, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Jesus and Abraham, in the heavens. Assuredly it was their souls.” (*Kashf al-Mahjub, *Chapter *al-Kalam fir-ruh, *p. 204).

  8. *Shaikh al-Islam *Shams-ud-Din Abu Abdullah Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr, known as Hafiz Ibn Qayyim, wrote:
    “As for what is related about the Messiah that he was raised up to heaven at the age of 33 years, there is no sound authority for this which one could turn to.” (*Zad al-Ma‘ad, *vol. i, p. 20)

  9. Allama Juba’i is reported as saying:
    “This verse shows that God caused Jesus to die (amata) and brought about his death (tawaffa-hu), and then raised him to himself.” (Commentary *Majma‘ al-Bayan, *vol. i, under verse falamma tawaffaita-ni)

  10. Imam Asir-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Yusuf ibn Ali al-Andalasi, known as Abu Hayyan Nahwi, writes:
    “This verse shows that God made Jesus die (tawaffa-hu wafat al-maut) before raising him.” (*Bahr al-Muhit, *vol. iv, p. 4)

  11. Imam Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Abdullah, known as Allama Shokani, has written:
    “It is said that this verse shows that God caused Jesus to die before raising him.” (*Fath al-Qadir Qalmi, *p. 4)

**VIEWS OF MODERN MUSLIM SCHOLARS **

  1. In his Quranic commentary, Allama Abdul Rahman Sa‘di writes:
    “God honoured Jesus by causing his disciples to spread in the world, in his life-time and after his death (mamat).”
    (*Tafsir al-Manan, *published in Makka)

  2. In *The Message of the Quran, *published by the Muslim World League of Makka in 1964, the author, Muhammad Asad, translates the verse 3:55 of the Quran in the following English words:
    “Lo! God said: O Jesus! Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and exalt thee unto Me.”
    Verse 5:117 is rendered as:
    “And I bore witness to what they did as long as I dwelt amongst them; but since Thou hast caused me to die, Thou alone hast been their keeper. For Thou art witness unto everything”.
    In the footnote to verse 4:157 the translator elucidates:
    “Thus the Quran categorically denies the story of the crucifixion of Jesus. There exist, among Muslims, many fanciful legends telling us that at the last moment God substituted for Jesus a person closely resembling him (according to some accounts, that person was Judas), who was subsequently crucified in his place. However, none of these legends finds the slightest support in the Quran or in authentic Traditions, and the stories produced in this connection by the classical commentators of the Quran must be summarily rejected.”
    The next footnote contains the statement:
    “Nowhere in the Quran is there any warrant for the popular belief of many Muslims that God has ‘taken up’ Jesus bodily into heaven.”

  3. The famous Egyptian reformist personality Mufti Muhammad Abduh believed that Jesus had died:
    i. “In the *Tafsir al-Manar, *the teacher and Imam (Muhammad Abduh), after taking the apparent meaning of the verse, has stated that tawaffa bears its obvious significance, i.e., causing to die. The raising (raf‘) comes after that, and it is spiritual elevation.”
    (Qasas al-Anbiya by Abdul Wahab al-Najar, p. 428)
    ii. “*Tawaffa *here means causing to die, as in the obvious and comprehensible significance.”
    (Al-Manar)

  4. Allama Rashid Raza, the famous disciple of Mufti Muhammad Abduh, writes:
    “Hence Jesus’ escape to India and his death in that country is not against reason and sense.”
    (Quranic Commentary by Al-Sayyid Rashid Raza, part vi, pp. 42, 43)

  5. Mahmud Shaltut, former Mufti of Egypt and ex-Rector of al-Azhar University, Cairo, writes:
    i. “There is no authority in the Quran or the Sunna which can satisfy the heart upon the belief that Jesus was taken up to heaven with his body and that he is still alive there and that he shall descend therefrom to earth in the last days.”
    (Al-Fatawa, published by Al-Idara al-‘Ama lil-Saqafat al-Islamiyya bil-Azhar, pp. 52-58)

MODERN SUBCONTINENT MUSLIM SCHOLARS VIEW

  1. Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, renowned nineteenth century Muslim educationist, social reformer, religious scholar and founder of the Ali Garh Muslim University, wrote:

i. “Now we must turn to the Holy Quran to see what it says. The Quran makes mention of Jesus’ death in four places … Firstly in *Sura Aal Imran, *secondly in Sura Ma’ida, … thirdly in Sura Maryam … fourthly in Sura Nisa’. Jesus was not killed by the Jews, either by stoning or by crucifixion, but he died his natural death, and God raised him in rank and status … From the first three verses it is clear that Jesus died a natural death. However, as the Ulama of Islam had followed the Christians, in accepting that Jesus had gone up to heaven alive, before looking at the Quran, so they have tried to interpret some of the words in these verses to accord with their unsound belief.”
(*Tafsir Ahmadi *by Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, vol. ii, p.48)

  1. In his Punjabi work *Tafsir Muhammadi, *Maulvi Hafiz Muhammad of Lakhu Kay writes in verse:
    “Without doubt a son resembles his father, But the Lord lives forever, He does not die, while death overtook Jesus.”
    (vol. i, p. 247) “Of all the messengers of God, none survived.”
    (vol. i, p. 320)

  2. The late Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi wrote:
    “*Mutawaffi-ka *means mumitu-ka * and what generally prevails amongst the public about Jesus’ life is a Jewish and Sabean fable … It is not a concealed matter that the source of Islam is the Quran, and in it there is not even one verse proving explicitly that Jesus did not die, and that he is alive and shall come down. These are only the deductions and explanations of some people, and are not free from doubt and uncertainty. How, then, can it be taken to be a fundamental Islamic belief ?”
    (*Ilham al-Rahman fi-tafsir al-Quran, *vol. ii, p. 49)

  3. Allama Dr. Sir Muhammad Iqbal
    i. He wrote in a poem:
    [INDENT]“Is the son of Mary dead, or does he live?
    Are Divine attributes separate from God, or one with His Person?
    Is the Coming one the Nazarene Jesus, or a Mujaddid having the son of Mary’s qualities?
    Are the Divine words created, or pre-existing from eternity, In which belief does lie the salvation of the Ummah?
    Are not sufficient for the Muslims today, These Lat and Manat [idols] carved out by theology.”
    (*Armaghan Hijaz, *p. 227)

[/INDENT]5. **Maulana Sayyid Sulaiman Nadawi **wrote:

“It appears from this that even before Sir Syed [Ahmad Khan] some Ulama held the same viewpoint as his on this question [of Jesus’ death]. People today who make this issue a standard for determining belief or disbelief in Islam are indulging in extremism.”
(Mu‘araf, March 1930, p. 171)

6. Khwaja Hasan Nizami of Delhi wrote:
i. “Westerners believe that Jesus ascended to heaven. The Quran contradicts this Christian belief, for it contains the verse: *inni mutawaffi-ka wa rafi‘u-ka ilayya, *i.e., ‘O Jesus, I am about to cause you to die, and grant you exaltation and elevation unto Myself ’. This verse proves the death of Jesus. However, there is another verse saying: wa ma qatalu-hu wa ma salabu-hu wa lakin shubbiha la-hum, i.e., the Jews neither killed nor crucified Jesus, but they fell into doubt. This verse proves that Jesus was not put upon the cross, but died his own death. Rising to heaven does not mean that he went up to heaven but that his status in the estimation of God was raised.”
(*Roznamcha, *16 November 1931, p. 15)

ii. "Some people say that Jesus is alive in the fourth heaven. It is proved from the Quran that Jesus was neither murdered nor crucified, but it is not proved that he ascended to heaven alive and is still living. On the contrary, the Quran says: ‘O Jesus, We shall cause you to die and then elevate your status in Our sight, or, raise you to Us’. The word wafat occurs first*, *and it means to die."
(Newspaper *Munadi, *Delhi, 18 September 1936, p. 16)

  1. Muhammad Hasan ibn Muhammad Abbas, *mujtahid *and *ustad *at the Madrasa Nizamiyya, Lucknow, India, wrote:
    “The findings of authentic, established books and the Quranic commentaries of the great scholars prove the *wafat *of Jesus, i.e., that he died. Thus, two verses in particular provide evidence for his death: firstly, inni mutawaffi-ka wa rafi‘*u-ka ilayya; *and secondly, *falamma tawaffaita-ni kunta anta-r-raqiba ‘alai-him. *These verses are quite sufficient to prove Jesus’ death. If these do not suffice, I can write still more and give *ahadith *in support.” (as quoted in *Tashhiz al-Azhan, *April 1921, p. 39)

  2. Abdullah Yusuf Ali, in the ***first edition ***of his English translation and commentary of the Holy Quran, rendered verse 3:55 as: “I will take thy soul and raise thee to Myself.” In the footnote at this point in the first edition, he wrote:
    “Read this along with 4:157 where it is said that the Jews neither crucified nor killed Jesus, but that another was killed in his likeness. The guilt of the Jews remained. But Jesus completed his life and was when he died taken up to God.”

  3. Sayyid Abul ‘Ala Maudoodi has written the following upon this topic:

“The Quran does not explicitly state that God raised up Jesus, body and soul, from earth to heaven. Nor does it clearly say that he died a natural death on earth, and that only his soul was raised up. Thus, on the basis of the Quran, neither of these views can be definitely negated or confirmed.”
(*Tahfim al-Quran *by Maulana Maudoodi, p. 240)

10. Maulana Sayyid Abdud-Da’im Jalali writes:
“It is recorded in an authentic hadith that the Holy Prophet Muhammad stated: ‘Had Moses or Jesus been alive, they would have had to follow me’.” (*Tafsir Bayan as-Subhan, *on Part 3, p. 349)

11. Khwaja Ibadullah Akhtar, B.A., of Amritsar expresses his view as follows:
i. “We do not wish to say any more on this issue than that Jesus was certainly nailed to the cross. However, he did not die on the cross, nor could have any man died on the cross in such a short period. But he fell into such a state of unconsciousness as to make people suspect that he had died. In that state of unconsciousness he was taken down from the cross, and being thought to be dead, placed in a tomb a sketch of which we have given in this book. When he became conscious, he left the tomb by himself.” (Damishq, p. 54, published by the Steam Press, Amritsar, India, 1911)

I hope this issue is settled here. Jazakallah!
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Pakiza mohabbat ko gunahgar na karna
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Again, it says they used to eat food. They no longer do. Doesnt matter if they're in heaven or elsewhere. People who no longer eat food are dead.

PS: also, the mentioning of fruits and wines in quran are the spiritual ones.. We know in this world that wine is intoxicated, but in heaven it will not be.. that means it will be wine but not the wine that we've all seen in this world. This is entirely a different topic.. please do let me know where in Quran it says that Jesus AS still eat food?.. in contrary it says.. they BOTH ( Jesus AS and Mary AS) USED to eat food. Please explain.

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Mr. Popat

I asked you two questions and you have given a half answer to only one of them.

I already agree with you that if you only take those two particular verses that you cite the normal position would be to assume that Isa (AS) has died, but there are more verses and more hadith that show otherwise. Upon closer inspection of the Qur'an it is clear that the position of Isa (AS) being alive outweighs that of him possibly being dead or have died. Our discussion inshaAllah will uncover this position.

I have prepared a full response but it is too lengthy to type up. My first point of contention is your criteria of using Qur'an and Hadith as a standard, but then you go on to say that such and such is what you believe and then you cite Qur'an references to show this.

This is not the way to make Qur'an and Hadith the standard. The correct way to do it is to undertake a thorough search for all references pertaining to the life and death of Isa (AS). Collect them and sort them. This must be done to be unbiased. We cannot ignore any one reference and we cannot first formulate an opinion and then SELECT references to our choosing.

So what I want to see first is a complete collection of references if you would not mind. Furthermore the references need to be independently verifiable. Are you sure you want to take on the task of scholars, because already I am stumped. But we can continue on your lines if you wish. Anyway to do a proper unbiased study of the topic the method is not to state first your belief and then use rationale and Qur'an and Sunnah to support it, rather you should approach the subject without preconceived notions and draw out conclusions as and when light hits the subject matter.

This is my point of contention on your pilot post, which you have opened the thread with.

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you have hastened the time of your humiliation by posting your lies and fabrications. The Salaf and khlaf scholars are free from your filthy lies that you attribute to them. insha’Allah, I’ll deal with this tonight

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Enough material has been presented to prove that Isa (as) dead. These include not least the beliefs of many major scholars of all times and all denominations. So then to prove contrary to these scholars requires extra ordinary proof and yet we have not seen ANY evidence let alone extraordinary evidence. Its time that some real evidence is provided form those supporting Isa being alive instead of beating about the bush and ask to provide more and more material while enough has been provide already. If there is any evidence to support Isa (as) being alive, why haven't we seen it so far?

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I have yet to come across even one, where it says that Jesus AS is up in the heavens bodily alive. In contrary , i can find you countless verses against it. Only condition is if you take Jesus AS to be a human messenger. Now if you have doubts about him being humans, then its a total different debate altogether.

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I have prepared a full response but it is too lengthy to type up. My first point of contention is your criteria of using Qur'an and Hadith as a standard, but then you go on to say that such and such is what you believe and then you cite Qur'an references to show this.
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In my first post, i said i will not be talking about ahmadiyya jamaat and that is exactly what im doing. Not talking about Ahmadiyya jamaat. The reason of my belief of Jesus AS being dead is coming from Quran, which i set standard, and to which we both agree that not an alphabet of Quran can be changed.

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This is not the way to make Qur'an and Hadith the standard. The correct way to do it is to undertake a thorough search for all references pertaining to the life and death of Isa (AS). Collect them and sort them. This must be done to be unbiased. We cannot ignore any one reference and we cannot first formulate an opinion and then SELECT references to our choosing.
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I said earlier in the thread that there is only one verse which leads someone to hold a belief that Jesus AS is alive in heaven , and to which i also left my opinion. I am yet to see any quranic reference mentioning Jesus AS raised up alive to Allah, and will be coming back.

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So what I want to see first is a complete collection of references if you would not mind. Furthermore the references need to be independently verifiable. Are you sure you want to take on the task of scholars, because already I am stumped. But we can continue on your lines if you wish. Anyway to do a proper unbiased study of the topic the method is not to state first your belief and then use rationale and Qur'an and Sunnah to support it, rather you should approach the subject without preconceived notions and draw out conclusions as and when light hits the subject matter.

This is my point of contention on your pilot post, which you have opened the thread with.
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For now, the collection of references can be found in my first post. Please quote them and approve its authenticity. Reply me with your opinion about those verses. Then, provide me with verses from Quran supporting your belief and i'll reply to what i think. We will come to some conclusion for sure, if we follow this.

Aashna ke naam se pyaara hai begaane ka naam
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Re: Isa (AS) dead or alive. In the light of Quran and Hadith.

[21:35]**We granted not everlasting life to any human being before thee. If then thou shouldst die, shall they live *here *for ever?

[21:36]Every soul shall taste of death**; and We prove you with evil and good by way of trial. And to Us shall you be returned.
See how Allah made the Holy prophet PBUH a standard and said that If he SAW can die, how is it possible that someone else is here to live for ever? Thus, if Holy Prophet PBUH is dead, everyone else BEFORE him is dead.

Magar Phir Bhi Ae Merey Maasoom Qaatil
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Re: Isa (AS) dead or alive. In the light of Quran and Hadith.

provide me with the correct interpretation please.

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Peace Mr. Popat

Perhaps you misunderstood my concerns, it is not correct to undertake verse by verse interpretations of a matter when the whole matter is not before us to analyse together. However, the verse above is clear enough to take the meaning understood by us so let me elaborate.

First of all no one is granted immortality - that is true Isa (AS) is not immortal, if he is to live even 5000 years then one day he (AS) shall die.

The condition of the next part of the verse is that if Muhammad (SAW) shall die then there is no chance that other beings will not die. Because if anyone were to be granted immortality it would be him, (SAW).

Okay now because the verse is not talking about anybody in particular it also refers to some people born before Muhammad (SAW) will actually live past him, he will die, but they will soon follow. So far this is true. It shall also be true with Isa (AS) as he was born before Muhammad (SAW) he is alive and although shall live past him he will not be immortal.

This verse is talking about longevity of life it is not saying that everyone will die before Muhammad or has died before Muhammad (SAW), because that interpretation is false because many companions of Muhammad (SAW) were born before him yet died after him.

This should completely rebut your given meaning to this verse. If not we shall stay here for a while to talk more on it. I assure the same occur with all the other verses.

Timepass - June 2013
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Peace test01

The very verses you bring to support the death of Isa (AS) are the same verses that support that he is alive. You don't see it because you look at the verses through your biased perception. What you should be doing is not that, rather to look objectively without preconceived notions and ask the questions within the constraints of the verses is it possible for x, y, z and so on. A lot of things are missed and wrongly interpreted by you as a result. And I am systematically going through these verses to show you inshaAllah.

Look again at the pilot post ... it first talks about the belief before citing any reference. So that proves there is a prior belief that pervades the evidence.

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Re: Isa (AS) dead or alive. In the light of Quran and Hadith.

Peace Mr. Popat

After boldly stating that the standard for your belief is Qur'an and Hadith, you go on to make you first claim using the standard of your own mind. Here it is:

*I personally believe Jesus As of Nazareth is no longer alive. Some logical and simple reasoning as to why i do not believe in him being alive. Quran and ahadith will be provided later in the thread. *

*He was human and theres an age limit of humans. Jesus AS like all humans lived and it is apparent that He must have died in this Earth. *

From here it is evident that you are claiming that humans have an age limit. So what is the age limit past which no one shall live? I agree that all humans will die and I also believe that every individual has his or her own specific time limit, but I also hold that the statistical age limits of todays norms are not the same as those for every person of every time. If you had looked at scipture first and given hadith a higher rating than your own intellect you would have seen that some people in the past live many hundreds of years. So by that token it is possible for a person to live much longer than say 150 years.

Of course it is, if your criteria is hadith and not your simple logic and reasoning. Now you allude to the similarity of Isa (AS) to other humans. He was human as far as his birth and body were concerned, but unlike any other human he talked as a baby. Unlike any human he was conceived without father, unlike any human of his time he healed the sick and walked on water. So for using logic and reasoning is it not therefore feasible for a person with such a miraculous life to also be miraculously alive today and shall return in a miraculous way? So it is only apparent that he has died on this Earth if you first reduce his miracles to naught.

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Re: Isa (AS) dead or alive. In the light of Quran and Hadith.

psyah, you clearly have no leg to stand on. You are just beating about the bush staying on the Perry free because you know very well you don't have any evidence that Isa (as) went outside this world alive. So you are just passing time in twisting and turning until everyone just gets fed up and goes away.

You haven't yet presented a SINGLE verse that proves beyond a shadow of doubt that hasrat Isa (as) is alive. Such an extraordinary event and nothing but twisted and skewed meaning of verses as justification. This is a joke. You are really not serious.

Bring your evidence if you have any. After all its you who needs to prove Isa (as) is alive not the other way round. Isa (as) dying like everyone else would be as per norm and does not even need to be proven.

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You are just being funny. Isa (as) being alive is not normal and can not be assumed by default. You actually need to positively prove that such an out of the extraordinary event actually took place. Reverse i.e. dying is normal and an every day experience so does not need prove. Numerous prophets or indeed people have no conclusive proof of dying but we do not take the belief that they are alive.

Where is your proof that Isa (as) is alive?

Timepass - June 2013
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psyah, again not having any evidence you have just turned discussion towards possibilities. Regardless of what is possible or not, we need evidence that Isa (as) is conclusively and as a fact alive. You have not presented any. Where is your evidence? Where does Allah say conclusively that He raised Isa (As) alive to a certain location outside of this earth? This is extra ordinary so you need evidence to believe out of the ordinary. As I said earlier it isn't even required to prove that Isa (As) is dead as it would be true by default like every other human being.

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Lets analyze the verse again,
[21:35]**We granted not everlasting life to any human being before thee. If then thou shouldst die, shall they live *here *for ever?
**It just amazes me that just to keep Jesus AS alive, to what extent one can really go. Anyway, Glad you did not say that it was incorrect interpretation. Now, taking your explanation on this verse, Jesus AS was born around 600 years before Muhammad PBUH, you and I both agree Jesus AS is/was a human being. I ask you, what was special in Jesus AS which lead Him to have longer life than holy prophet PBUH?.. A simple logic tells me that He AS was born 600 years before Muhammad PBUH and i see no reason to believe why Jesus AS was raised up and Muhammad PBUH was given death. Theres an age limit of human's life cycle. One cant pass that limit. Prophets have lived for as long as 300 years of age, but eventually died, in this very earth. You do know very well, the verse you're trying to give explanation of can by no mean support the belief of Jesus AS being raised up alive.

If something is obvious, it doesnt require explanation. You cannot take a verse and add your 2 cents in it, to support your belief. When Muhammad PBUH was given death, Jesus AS is no different. He AS did nothing extraordinary if compared with Muhammad PBUH.

Jesus AS is living bodily in the heavens for more than 2000 years, this to me doesnt seem the longevity of life but rather considering someone being immortal, given that there is no specific time of his arrival according to you.

Also, have a look at this verse and the verse you're explaining and give some time to think about it..

3:144 ( or 145 for some )And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm Allah at all. And Allah will certainly reward the grateful.

one hand Allah says he didnt grand anyone everlasting life, and on other hand allah says all prophets have passed away ( even if i take your interpreation of many and not all , it then requires one to see the verse in which the mentioning of Jesus AS used to eat food , it will leave you with no doubt of his death., though the correct interpretation is that all prophets have passed away before him )..

Do you really not think this explanation of yours gives birth to a lot of questions? Some of which is, if Jesus AS was alive even during Muhammad PBUH's prophethood, what was the need of Allah sending down a brand new prophet and not sending Isa AS back to earth?.. is it possible that Jesus AS have learnt Quran even before it was revealed to Muhamad PBUH, since Jesus AS is/was the closest prophet to Allah? Does questions like this seriously not come in your mind when you're trying to explain a verse ?

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Re: Isa (AS) dead or alive. In the light of Quran and Hadith.

Even before all this there is the big question of Isa (as) going alive to heaven. psyah has not presented any proof of that so the rest will come later once he proves Isa (as)'s ascend.

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why we believe that? because its in Quran and hadith.. and hence requires no logic.

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So for using logic and reasoning is it not therefore feasible for a person with such a miraculous life to also be miraculously alive today and shall return in a miraculous way? So it is only apparent that he has died on this Earth if you first reduce his miracles to naught.
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Assumption. Yesterday was sunny, today was sunny,( because we witnessed it ).. tomorrow doesnt necessarily has to be sunny day.

PS: You said earlier, the verses in quran mentioning being alive of Jesus outweigh the verses indicating His death. You havent yet quoted a single verse. Please, I want to really know after reading Quran with translation so many times, how did i miss the verses you're refering to? Please present verses of Quran supporting your belief. Thank you.

PS: Just as you will be presenting Quranic verses, I'd like to hear from you in a simple yes or no, whether He will be born again or not?. Thanks again.

Guys vs Gurlz
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At least accept that your argument of dying before Prophet Muhammad(SAW) has nothing to do with the ayah you quoted above about immortality.

Ashab e Kahf slept slept for hundreds of years and stayed alive, it doesn't mean that they were better than the Prophet Isa(AS) and Muhammad(SAW). Similarly, Isa(AS) being taken up to heaven alive doesn't mean that he was better than those who weren't taken up alive.

Now as to your question why Allah took him alive, look at Isa(AS)'s situation, he was in danger and Allah didn't want him to be murdered so He the Almighty saved him by raising him alive.

Now can you stay on topic by talking in the light of Quran and hadith instead of in the light of your own logic.

Hakuna Matata!
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Prior belief based on centuries of undisputed experience that all humans die.

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