Is Music Haraam ?

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Allah said,

(And indeed you knew). This Ayah means, O Jews! Remember that Allah sent His torment on the village that disobeyed Him and broke their pledge and their covenant to observe the sanctity of the Sabbath. They began using deceitful means to avoid honoring the Sabbath by placing nets, ropes and artificial pools of water for the purpose of fishing before the Sabbath. When the fish came in abundance on Saturday as usual, they were caught in the ropes and nets for the rest of Saturday. During the night, the Jews collected the fish after the Sabbath ended. When they did that, Allah changed them from humans into monkeys, the animals having the form closest to humans. Their evil deeds and deceit appeared lawful on the surface, but they were in reality wicked. This is why their punishment was compatible with their crime. This story is explained in detail in Surat Al-A`raf, where Allah said (7:163),

(And ask them (O Muhammad ) about the town that was by the sea; when they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (i.e. Saturday): when their fish came to them openly on the Sabbath day, and did not come to them on the day they had no Sabbath. Thus We made a trial of them, for they used to rebel (disobey Allah).)(7:163)

In his Tafsir, Al-Awfi reported from Ibn Abbas that he said,

(We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected’‘) means, "Allah changed their bodies into those of monkeys and swines. The young people turned into monkeys while the old people turned into swine.’’ Shayban An-Nahwi reported that Qatadah commented on,

(We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected’‘), "These people were turned into howling monkeys with tails, after being men and women.’’

Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn Abbas said, "Those who violated the sanctity of the Sabbath were turned into monkeys, then they perished without offspring.'' Ad-Dahhak said that Ibn Abbas said, "Allah turned them into monkeys because of their sins. They only lived on the earth for three days, for no transformed person ever lives more than three days. They did not eat, drink or have offspring. Allah transformed their shapes into monkeys, and He does what He wills, with whom He wills and He changes the shape of whomever He wills. On the other hand, Allah created the monkeys, swines and the rest of the creation in the six days (of creation) that He mentioned in His Book.‘’
Allah’s statement,

(So We made this punishment an example) means, Allah made the people of this village, who violated the sanctity of the Sabbath,

(an example) via the way they were punished. Similarly, Allah said about Pharaoh,

(So Allah, seized him with punishing example for his last and first transgression) (79:25). nAllah’s statement,

(for those in front of it and those behind it) meaning, for the other villages. Ibn Abbas commented, "Meaning, We made this village an example for the villages around it by the manner in which We punished its people.‘’’ Similarly, Allah said,
(And indeed We have destroyed towns (populations) round about you, and We have (repeatedly) shown (them) the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in various ways that they might return (to the truth and believe in the Oneness of Allah ـ Islamic Monotheism)).(46:27)
Therefore, Allah made them an example for those who lived during their time as well as a reminder for those to come, by preserving their story. This is why Allah said,

(and a lesson for Al-Muttaqin (the pious)), meaning, a reminder. This Ayah means, "The torment and punishment that this village suffered was a result of indulging in Allah’s prohibitions and their deceit. Hence, those who have Taqwa should be aware of their evil behavior, so that what occurred to this village does not befall them as well.‘’ Also, Imam Abu `Abdullah bin Battah reported that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said,

(Do not commit what the Jews committed, breaching what Allah has forbidden, by resorting to the lowest types of deceit.)
This Hadith has a good (Jayid) chain of narration. Allah knows best.

(67. And (remember) when Musa said to his people: "Verily, Allah commands you that you slaughter a cow.‘’ They said, "Do you make fun of us’’ He said, "I take Allah’s refuge from being among Al-Jahilin (the ignorant or the foolish).‘’)
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=365&Itemid=36

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precisely... it is allegorical, and hinting to what the Jews in the time of the prophet had become, just the way today's muslims have become (sorry to say this, but I have no choice).

Mera Dil ....
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Hareem, please do not quote the Quran from a translation unless you can verify that indeed it is correct. Learn Arabic first...

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You should try to read tafseer of the Quran ....

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Its not a translation its tafseer. Tafseer ibn kathir.

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And you should try to read the Quran itself... not someone's tafseer

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that's because all those cursed ones who were turned into monkeys had died after three days :)

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Start new thread if you want to......................this is going off topic.

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lol

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worthwhile noting that I did not start it...

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Noted. Now lets talk about Music ...

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The truth of the matter is that it has been established that if you rely on Bukhari et el and the collected alleged sayings, you come to the conclusion with varying certainty that music is haraam...

All the while, the Quran is absolutely silent on the subject, hinting that the alleged 'sayings' forbidding music are either contradicting, or going in excess of the Quran... both scenarios are unacceptable.

If the Quran is silent about music, that is a good reason to be this way since music by itself is a tool... it can be used to provoke feelings of ANY KIND.

Quran is very direct about adultry... it tell us to stay away from it...

Quran is direct about gambling and drinking... it tells us that the bad in them outweighs the good. Notice that God does not forbid them, but gives CLEAR indication as to what He RECOMMENDS.

Quran is ABSOLUTELY SILENT about music... THIS IS A CLEAR SIGN in my opinion!

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hypnotix are we greater than Bukhari et al (as you point out)?? Just answer this question.

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That depends on the point of view doesn't it?
Like I said before... wa jadanaa alaaihaa aabaa'una, wallaahu maarnaa bihaa

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If u add rhythum or music in to it then it could be haram............... just kidding

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AOA

Quran can not be loud about every thing in it ................... but instead quran gives u laws to be followed.................
as for as music laws are:
1) should not be time/resources/energy wasting
2) should not couse disturbance for others
3) must not be full of profinity
4) must not keep u away from religious and worldy duties /responsibilities
5) should not provoke u towards bad stuff

kepping that in mind there are several classes of scholars from ........
1) allowing class
2) only relegious purpose allownece class
3) only war purpose allowence class
4) only duff allowing class ( rest of it is haram)
even some scholars have objection on the way Qari abdul basit of egypt recites coz GHINA in it.....................

Wallah-u-Allim

Wasalam

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wa-alaikum us-Salaam
Some comdemn it, while others consent to, and encourage it... needless to say 'scholars' are divided on it, which means it is their opinion, not the will of God.

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The Qur'an answers those who think the hadith insignificant and also tells people how to resolve ikhtilaf. It also describes some people very accurately. It is true that scholars differ in their opinion, but these are discussions for the scholars to undertake, as the Qur'an dictates. We know confirmed that, if there is any doubt in a matter then it is better to abstain.

Also, in Zaid Shakir's programme titled, 'Getting Right With Allah', he mentions that the Shaitan encourages people to sin, if he cannot do this then he makes them miss a duty, and so on. Where choices are reduced to Muba (neutral) acts then Shaitan takes pleasure in making men do muba. Where a person is presented with two good choices shaitan will make him take the lesser of the two.

We know:
Avoiding music is a Sunnah
Promoting music is opposing the Sunnah of the Sahabah
Music is not overtly haram, but is the pathway that opens up haram to fester
If one wants to be a muttaqi in his deen then he will avoid music at all costs.

Please read the following ayat also:

004.059 *
**YUSUFALI:* O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the messenger if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more seemly in the end.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you; then if you quarrel about anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the last day; this is better and very good in the end.
004.060 *
**YUSUFALI:* Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who declare that they believe in the revelations that have come to thee and to those before thee? Their (real) wish is to resort together for judgment (in their disputes) to the Evil One, though they were ordered to reject him. But Satan's wish is to lead them astray far away (from the right).
PICKTHAL: Hast thou not seen those who pretend that they believe in that which is revealed unto thee and that which was revealed before thee, how they would go for judgment (in their disputes) to false deities when they have been ordered to abjure them? Satan would mislead them far astray.
SHAKIR: Have you not seen those who assert that they believe in what has been revealed to you and what was revealed before you? They desire to summon one another to the judgment of the Shaitan, though they were commanded to deny him, and the Shaitan desires to lead them astray into a remote error.
004.061 *
**YUSUFALI:* When it is said to them: "Come to what Allah hath revealed, and to the Messenger": Thou seest the Hypocrites avert their faces from thee in disgust.
PICKTHAL: And when it is said unto them: Come unto that which Allah hath revealed and unto the messenger, thou seest the hypocrites turn from thee with aversion.
SHAKIR: And when it is said to them: Come to what Allah has revealed and to the Messenger, you will see the hypocrites turning away from you with (utter) aversion.
004.062 *
**YUSUFALI:* How then, when they are seized by misfortune, because of the deeds which they hands have sent forth? Then their come to thee, swearing by Allah: "We meant no more than good-will and conciliation!"
PICKTHAL: How would it be if a misfortune smote them because of that which their own hands have sent before (them)? Then would they come unto thee, swearing by Allah that they were seeking naught but harmony and kindness.
SHAKIR: But how will it be when misfortune befalls them on account of what their hands have sent before? Then they will come to you swearing by Allah: We did not desire (anything) but good and concord.
004.063 *
**YUSUFALI:* Those men,-Allah knows what is in their hearts; so keep clear of them, but admonish them, and speak to them a word to reach their very souls.
PICKTHAL: Those are they, the secrets of whose hearts Allah knoweth. So oppose them and admonish them, and address them in plain terms about their souls.
SHAKIR: These are they of whom Allah knows what is in their hearts; therefore turn aside from them and admonish them, and speak to them effectual words concerning themselves.
004.064 *
**YUSUFALI:* We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah's forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah's leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, they had but come unto thee and asked forgiveness of Allah, and asked forgiveness of the messenger, they would have found Allah Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: And We did not send any messenger but that he should be obeyed by Allah's permission; and had they, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had (also) asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
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**YUSUFALI:* But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.
PICKTHAL: But nay, by thy Lord, they will not believe (in truth) until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves no dislike of that which thou decidest, and submit with full submission.
SHAKIR: But no! by your Lord! they do not believe (in reality) until they make you a judge of that which has become a matter of disagreement among them, and then do not find any straitness in their hearts as to what you have decided and submit with entire submission.

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AOA!

Sis there is no SUNNAHA OF SAHABA................Sahaba have very high status and are privilaged but no Sunnaha .......... quran says
" Obey Allah and his rasool" not sahabaa
Quran says" rasool is the symbol of feloowship" not sahabaa

Wasalam

Wasalam

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The Sahabah are a criterion of right and wrong: Haqq (truth) and Baatil (falsehood). Allaah, the All-knowing has approved of their actions and is pleased with them.

The underlying ayaats adequately prove this above

1. "You are the best community which has been raised for (the benefit and reformation) of mankind". (3:110);

2. "Thus We have appointed you as a middle nation, that you may be witnesses against mankind". (2:143);

3. "Those who believed and left their homes and strove for the cause of Allaah and those (Ansar) who took them (the Mahajireen) in (i.e. accommodated them) - those are the believers in Truth. For them is pardon and a bountiful provision" (Sura Anfaal - 74)

4."But the Rasul and those who believe with him strive with their wealth and their lives. Such are they for whom are the good things, (Jannat), such are they who will prosper: (9:88).

Rasulullah s.a.w has stated:

1. "All that befell the children of Israel shall befall my Ummah also. The children of Israel were divided into 72 sects, My Ummat shall branch off unto 73 sects, all of which, exception one Millat (which will be the absolved one), will go to Jahannum". The Sahabah asked "what is that Millat". Rasulullah replied: "It is that Millat which follows me and my Sahabah". (Tirmizi, vol 2, p 89);

2."The example of my Sahabah is like that of the stars, whomsoever you follow, you will receive guidance". (Mishkat);

3."Of all the years, mine of the best, then the period of those who are connected with those of my period...." (Bukhari);

4. Rasulullah said "Allaah, Most High, cast a glance upon the hearts of His slaves, then He chose Muhammad for Risallat. Then He cast a glance upon the hearts of His slaves and selected his companions for him and made them helpers of His Deen and his Ministers. So the work these Muslims (Sahabah) consider as good is also good in the sight of Allaah. And the work they consider as bad is also bad in the sight of Allaah" (Muatta - p112).