Re: Is India not a threat to Pakistan? (Split from AAZ interview to WSJ thread)
India is our enemy. I suggest you attend some of the "think tank" meetings and where they speak of India of the past and how partition was a bad idea. Kinda like Greater Israel. Hmmm....i wonder where the Indians got their idea from....
As for economic issues, India is in for one hell of a decade.
Re: Is India not a threat to Pakistan? (Split from AAZ interview to WSJ thread)
From one POV, AAZ is right. India is not a threat to Pakistan, as Pakistan is not on India's radar. India left the little league a few years ago, we are still stuck in it...infact falling backwards into the amatuer ranks.
Stop living in denial bro. Nobody is perfect, but nobody can argue that India is far ahead of Pakistan.
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Yeah we know in stravations... Only 6000 children die of starvations each day... Now can we bad pakis ever match that or even come close...
Re: Is India not a threat to Pakistan? (Split from AAZ interview to WSJ thread)
Guys admit the truth. In macro terms, India has left Pakistan behind. The trend in India's case is positive, gdp growing fast, investment up, political stability, literacy rate rising.
we have a collapsing economy, a full blown insurgency which threatens the survival of pakistan and gross capital flight.
until we accept out state, we cannot improve it.
So you agree India ‘Lost own’ land to pakistan !! so now don’t claim it was yours anyway.. We agree Pakistan took it away from India in 48 only b’cos neharu went to UN instead of going war with pakistan
Pakistan start 1971 war b’cos india was supporting Mukti-vahini and had recognized new formed Bangladesh
Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"On the evening of Sunday, 3 December, the Pakistani air force launched sorties on eight airfields in north-western India, including Agra which was 300 miles (480 km) from the border.. This attack, called Operation Chengiz Khan, was inspired by the Arab-Israeli Six Day War and the success of the Israeli preemptive strike. Unlike the Israeli attack on Arab airbases in 1967, which involved a large number of Israeli planes, Pakistan flew no more than 50 planes to India. Indian runways were non-functional for several hours after the attack.
India reacted strongly and declared war on Pakistan. "
Re: Is India not a threat to Pakistan? (Split from AAZ interview to WSJ thread)
..and those who think india lost 1971 war with pakistan..
The cost of the war for Pakistan in monetary and human resources was high. In the book Can Pakistan Survive? Pakistan based author Tariq Ali writes, "Pakistan lost half its navy, a quarter of its airforce and a third of its army." India took approximately 90,000 prisoners of war, including Pakistani soldiers and their East Pakistani civilian supporters. 79,676 prisoners were uniformed personnel, of which 55,692 were Army, 16,354 Paramilitary, 5,296 Police, 1000 Navy and 800 PAF.[14] The remaining prisoners were civilians - either family members of the military personnel or collaborators (razakars).
The war resulted in one of the largest surrenders of forces since World War II. Although India originally wished to try some 200 prisoners for war crimes for the brutality in East Pakistan, the government eventually acceded to** releasing all prisoners as a gesture of reconciliation**.
I do not have personal agenda against Pakistan, my post is just to show that India was and is never against pakistan or want to attack pakistan. How else you explain release of more than 90K army personals without getting anything in return? We could have forced pakistan to do whatever we wanted? (like returning back kashmir)...
From one POV, AAZ is right. India is not a threat to Pakistan, as Pakistan is not on India's radar. India left the little league a few years ago, we are still stuck in it...infact falling backwards into the amatuer ranks.
true, Pakistan concentrated more on Afghanistan-Russia issue and see how taleban is working against them..
This is not middle-age, the world we are living is capitalist. Only way to progress is Economy and not going after War. Why there are glorified talks about some worrier who lived 1000 year ago... think about present and think about future.
In one of my earlier post I warned about such things.. whenever there is political blunder in India or Pakistan both side politician starts talking of war or conflicts... politicians just want public's mind to divert from inflation, economy and poor living condition and fuel patriotism by going to war...
During last conflict general public was not in support of war and that's why both side government had to withdraw their forces from border (part credit goes to US, may be that time they didn't want to sell their arms to any of us..)
Being from Indian-occupied Kashmir valley, and as such not giving two hoots about either countries, I must say that out of both the Indian and Pakistani forums I'm a member of, Indians do troll on 90% of those Pakistani forums whereas I haven't seen any Pakistanis trolling on Indian forums.
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Its not that Indians troll on Pakistani forums only they also do the same on other forums too e.g. lets take Chinese... But there is a big difference the way others respond to their BS... I read Chinese forums because I like their discussions.. Unlike us they either ignore them or agree with them to avoid any discussion knowing fare well where and what is India.... Indians gradually disappear except you will see one or 2 now and then lurking here and there.
Re: Is India not a threat to Pakistan? (Split from AAZ interview to WSJ thread)
SiddhantKumar, who are you trying to kid, seriously? India has 800,000 strong mobilized military in Kashmir Valley, which is costing India hugely and is detrimental to its economical growth (in a way), yet it continues to leave it like that. Kashmir isn't part of India, both agreed on a plebiscite but failed to deliver. Junagarh ceded to Pakistan but on the basis of a plebiscite and a majority Hindu population was annexed by India. Double standards..
said who? 
India can help in building Pakistan? you've got to be kidding me dude. Remember the Kashmiri Raja asked for help and india still hasnt stopped helping Kashmiris. Also bangalis have enjoyed your help. India tried utmost to help us by not giving us the resources promised after partition. Your own gandhi had to go through the agony of maran bharat to get your helpful nation going. Look where that got gandhi ,yeah in the ground. I will wager thats where anyone will be who is helped by India.Seriously Pakistan has alot to do to protect the nation and not the least of it is to stay the heck away from india and indians.
Guys admit the truth. In macro terms, India has left Pakistan behind. The trend in India's case is positive, gdp growing fast, investment up, political stability, literacy rate rising.
we have a collapsing economy, a full blown insurgency which threatens the survival of pakistan and gross capital flight.
until we accept out state, we cannot improve it.
Pakistanis like you need need to multiply !!!
India can help in building Pakistan? you've got to be kidding me dude. Remember the Kashmiri Raja asked for help and india still hasnt stopped helping Kashmiris. Also bangalis have enjoyed your help. India tried utmost to help us by not giving us the resources promised after partition. Your own gandhi had to go through the agony of maran bharat to get your helpful nation going. Look where that got gandhi ,yeah in the ground. I will wager thats where anyone will be who is helped by India.Seriously Pakistan has alot to do to protect the nation and not the least of it is to stay the heck away from india and indians.
India can help as an economic neighbor. India and Pakistan should strive to become like USA and Canada. I'll ignore your ignorant Kashmiri references.
It's ahead of Pakistan, I agree. However it is not 'Far ahead' as you have stated, and is still far behind the level of putting itself in 'competition' with China.
It is definitely far ahead. I don't see the point of arguing over trvial issues like 'what exactly is AHEAd and FAR AHEAD'.
For sure China is a step ahead of India. That's why India needs to compete with them and strive to uplift themselves to China's level.
Re: Is India not a threat to Pakistan? (Split from AAZ interview to WSJ thread)
well in that case i will ignore your idiotic post
well in that case i will ignore your idiotic post
The best strategy, believe me it works.
Pakistanis like you need need to multiply !!!
I spend 3 years trying to convince girls in my college classes of that fact. :D
The best strategy, believe me it works.
yall are just jealous... which is why you obsess over india's problems tryin to make yourself feel better.. human nature i guess...
Re: Is India not a threat to Pakistan? (Split from AAZ interview to WSJ thread)
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Not true. Many of us are realists, and dont see the development of both states as a competition. I must stress, and the reading makes this clear, that India is doing better now, but it had its downward dip in the 80's during the era of Sikh insurgency. I congratulate you on India's current success, and it should serve to make Pakistan more determined.
I am all for regional economic cooperation. SAARC can be a wonderful thing, but the Indo-Pak dynamic at its heart must be stripped of the mutual suspicion that hinders the region.
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Not true. Many of us are realists, and dont see the development of both states as a competition. I must stress, and the reading makes this clear, that India is doing better now, but it had its downward dip in the 80's during the era of Sikh insurgency. I congratulate you on India's current success, and it should serve to make Pakistan more determined.
I am all for regional economic cooperation. SAARC can be a wonderful thing, but the Indo-Pak dynamic at its heart must be stripped of the mutual suspicion that hinders the region.
I didn't say all Pakistanis were like that bro. I was talking about those Salahu and Abdulsaleyki guys. I know many pakistanis are realists, more than half my desi friends are pakistani. A lot of Pakitanis actually realize this but they don't admit it or openly discuss it specially with indians because it hurts their ego.
Open trade will definitely help (I think at this point it will help Pakistan more than India) which is why I said we should be like USA and Canada with free trade agreements.