Is homosexuality destroying our family structure?

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[quote="BarbieCue"]

There isn't a need to idealise homosexuality and paint homosexuals as the wronged ones! If your child grew up to be a thief, what would you do? Support him because that's what you're supposed to do as a parent? Homosexuality arises mainly due to improper upbringing and moral guidance! It has been made clear to me ever since I was a child that stealing is immoral. Homosexuality is beyond immoral and homosexuals are "a people transgressing beyond bounds" so I'm obviously not going to take it easy when my child turns out to be a gay! I'd be destroying his life? errr no, he'd be destroying his own life as well as his akhira!

Sure, if he/she doesn't listen, I'd leave them alone but I'd never support this behaviour. Most people on this forum are muslim Pakistanis so I guess we're discussing things from our point of view? If we're talking about the western culture or homosexuality outside of religious context, ignore my post.

In terms of adoption, yes it is great if homosexual couples adopt children and give them a better future. But how easy would it be for the child to live in such a "unique" household and what effect would such a relationship have on the child? That's a different topic altogether./QUOTE]

1) Ummm....No, homosexuality does not arise from a poor upbringing. It is not a choice, nor a lifestyle. You probably have not even ever took the time to speak to someone gay-which you should if you are going to call them immoral abd stuff. Gay people (or at least 99%) do NOT choose to be gay, they r born that way and suffer through the uneducated judgemnnts of others like yourself their whole life...do you think someone would CHOOSE to live that way? I know because I have actually taken the time to listen to some.
2) Adoption: its happens a lot, many gay couple choose to adopt. Kids seem fine. Those children who are now teenagers still seem fine. And those children are not more likely to turn out gay.

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Well since most people are of Muslim background here I can imagine a revolution coming sooon..... Lol.

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I'm kind of undecided about this whole issue. Same sex marriages seem weird to me because a child needs both a male and female influence. To those who would cite single mothers etc, I would say that there is always a male figure involved be it an uncle, grandfather or someone else. That said, gay couples who want to adopt realize the "backlash" they might face so I believe only the most capable attempt it. It's kind of a built in filter. Bad gay parents wouldn't want to deal with the hassle of the scrutiny they would receive.

So are gays destroying the family structure? Maybe according to some, but the bigger culprits destroying marriage are heterosexuals who treat marriage and divorce like dating and breaking up.

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lol since when did homosexuals become infertile? your forefathers may have been gay. lots of Pakistanis with families are gay.

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Being gay is akin to being sick. The sickness may not be brought by choice.

While you may disilke the disease, you would not dislike the person.

There are religions other than islam which also do not approve gayism.

The answer to the question is NO.

There are fortuntely not enough gays to make such difference despite they love to get attenton by making noise.

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I am sorry I don't mean to derail the thread or stir something up here, but that just doesn't make sense to me. I mean what school did the shaitaan go to where he learned all his skills and tactics? Didn't God himself create him the way he created everything else from the state of non-existence? And didn't he teach everything to everyone himself? Is there anything in existence today, or has there been anything in existence at any point in time, that God did not himself create? Including all the good and bad, virtue and sin, yin and yang, anything and everything that ever existed?

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Yeah, how dare they speak up about an issue that affects them. And wear bright colours. It’s unseemly. How very dare they!

But but..by that reasoning then we need to put a stop to all the masturbating men because think of all those people who could be born but are instead getting flushed away with the tissues! :smiley:

The ‘gay gene’ thing was down to a study by a dude called Hamer, a different study showed different results however. Overall, I think, studies generally indicate that genetics are in the mix, and do play a part. How big a part? I don’t know. Now don’t go asking me for links, I’m too lazy for that, google is your friend.
The twins thing Barbiecue brought up is interesting, I remember reading somewhere that there are some processes that can lead to differences in identical twins, which may (or may not) be relevant to differing sexuality.
Really though, it shouldn’t matter how it comes about. They are people. Equality is important.

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Come on dude, where did burning witches and persecution come from in this? Plenty believe there's no proof for a God either. So what?

The devil as in Iblees? Who was an angel created by God and angels are good beings so God actually created good? Iblees decided to not obey God and got "disowned" and vowed to misguide His people? Did God teach him to disobey Him? I don't know, we're not told. I thought it was common sense that the evil comes from the devil not from God. :/

And do you have proof that homosexuality is something we're born with? You talked to a homosexual and he claims he was born that way and you believe that to be a fact? Where is the 99% figure coming from? Guess what, I've had a gay friend and a gay teacher both of whom I respect very much. Re-read my posts. I've said many times I wouldn't look down on these individals, point fingers at them and call them immoral especially when they have nothing to do with my religion. I'd leave them alone and treat them just like I would everyone else. Why isn't anyone paying any attention to that bit and is frowning at me for not supporting homosexuality? Call me judgemental or whatever, homosexuality is immoral doesn't come from my mouth, it comes from the Quran. If anyone has a problem with that, tough.

As for adoption, that was a genuine question I asked to which Queer replied with results from a survey and I agreed. My views aren't going down well with many and I am completely aware of that but no one has been able to give me a solid reason as to why I should support homosexuality. If Allah swt knew homosexual inclinations were something we just couldn't get over, He would've allowed it. Sex during Ramadan wasn't allowed at all before. People just couldn't resist getting intimate with their partners for an entire month and God then allowed sex after iftari time. So if something isn't allowed at all, it isn't allowed. The rules aren't going to change now for anyone.

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there is no such thing as a "gay-gene". no complex human behaviour can be genetic. genetic determinism is similar to harun yahya's jiving about evolution.

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Gay is wrong full stop… it’s not natural man! :smack:

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as far as i know…Iblees was not an angel..he was a Jinn…

BTW…I see lots of people on GS seem to approve of homosexuality as something normal…:hmmm:

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^ its a dilemma of the modern world already prophecised in our religion... a sign of the last day approaching when same sex marriages will be a norm. I see we have started treading on that road already.

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this 'we' encompasses what?? all people of the world? Muslims? pakistanis?

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Yes that’s true. He was a jinn. Out of angels, jinns and humans, only the latter two have been granted free will. Hence the good and bad jinns and humans. Iblees was a good jinn, a devoted servant, he wasn’t something evil God had created. Why would God punish him for being evil if He Himself created him that way?

This thread is way off-topic now :stuck_out_tongue:

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Sadly we are 'muslims'. Thankfully majority of Pakistani's are still not that ''open-minded'' to accept this.

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[quote="BarbieCue, post:17, topic:236257"]

Come on dude, where did burning witches and persecution come from in this? Plenty believe there's no proof for a God either. So what?

The devil as in Iblees? Who was an angel created by God and angels are good beings so God actually created good? Iblees decided to not obey God and got "disowned" and vowed to misguide His people? Did God teach him to disobey Him? I don't know, we're not told. I thought it was common sense that the evil comes from the devil not from God. :/

But in Surah Al Kahf chapter 18 verse 50 the Qur’an says:“Behold! We said to the angels, “Bow down to Adam.” they bowed down except Iblis *He was one of the *Jinns.”
[Al-Qur’an 18:50]2. Arabic Rule Of *Tagleeb[FONT=Times New Roman] The English translation of the first part of the verse ‘We said to the angels bow down to Adam: they bowed down except *Iblis’, gives us the impression that Iblis was an angel. The Qur’an was revealed in Arabic. In Arabic grammar there is a rule known as Tagleeb, according to which, if the majority is addressed, even the minority is included. If for example, I address a class containing 100 students of whom 99 are boys and one is a girl, and if I say in Arabic that the boys should stand up, it includes the girl as well. I need not mention her seperately.Similarly in the Qur’an, when Allah addressed the angels, even Iblis *was present, but it is not required that he be mentioned separately. Therefore according to that sentence *Iblis may be an angel or may not be an angel, but we come to know from Surah Al Kahf chapter 18 verse 50 that Iblis was a Jinn. No where does the Qur’an say Iblis was an angel. Therefore there is no contradiction in the Qur’an.3. Jinns[FONT=Times New Roman] **have free will and can disobey Allah*[FONT=Times New Roman] Secondly, *Jinns have a free will and may or may not obey Allah, but angels have no free will and always obey Allah. Therefore the question of an angel disobeying Allah does not arise. This further supplements that Iblis was a Jinn and not an angel.

Barbie IBLEES was created as jin he is not an angle u can check

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Oh, I'm not saying there is. For clarity's sake, I was trying to say that the 'gay gene' thing came about when Hamer released the results of his study, ie. it was a term erroneously used by the media.

No single gene causes complex behaviour, it requires multiple genes which in turn are affected by all sorts of other things. This doesn't mean that genetics don't play a part in homosexuality, indications are that they are part of the mix, to what extent is the question. Behavioural genetics is an interesting field, but man they have a lot of work to be getting on with.
Sure we're all a product of our environment and society, but we're also biological creatures. In any case, what does it matter?
I've forgot the point I was trying to make, so am going to go and eat a grilled cheese sandwich. Mmmmm grilled cheese sandwich...

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:hehe:cute :@:

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My mishtake jee, apologies. Nomi already pointed it out. The point was, he wasn't created as an evil being.

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lol..

those fanciful definitions of failed theories can only satisfy scientific dilettantism and can have a negative impact on homosexuality... by the way, hamer's "gay gene" study was published 18 years ago.

bon appétit!

and i'm done with gay topics.