Gay people…is that a family? What is a family? Is it a man and woman? Or can it be a woman and a woman? Or a man and a man?
Where is our family structure now?
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Well I don't think it is destroying anything. If a person is attracted to same sex, you can't force them to marry someone and have children with them. I think THAT is what destroys a family. This Polish colleague of mine, he had to marry a lady owing to family and social pressures, he had 2 children with the lady, but then he moved away from Poland and started working in Pakistan, and he was totally homosexual. And he had absolutely no desire to go back and live with his 'family'. That was just an obligation imposed on him, he broke free when he could and that was it for the whole family ordeal.
If we just learn to accept people for who they are and let them be, we would be saving a lot of people from a lot of hassle and heartache.
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It's not homosexuality that's destroying "our" family structure, it's our attitude towards it that is destroying it.
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People are different, we should accept it? Right, but how would you react if your sibling/parent/child admitted they were gay? Would we 'accept' their way of living?
I'm sorry but some of us claim to be 'open minded' yet if someone related to us admitted they were gay and wanted to pursue a homosexual lifestyle we would be disgusted, including myself. Of course I wouldn't reject them but I would do my utmost to help them somehow, but I also would not 'accept' them being gay and carry on living normally.
What would you do?
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Who am I to declare anyone acceptable or unacceptable. I am nothing. Better agree with the creator of all. If HE had created them homosexual by birth, then HE shouldn't have punished them for their homosexual acts. I would have absolutely no problem at all in accepting gays in my family if my LORD had marked their actions acceptable in the Quran. We all know what happened to the nation of Prophet Lot (a.s), as mentioned in the Quran. No other nation in the history has gone through divine punishment as severly as them if we follow the hadiths.
I have no problem with the doctors who say that gayism is totally natural and a human has no control over it. But then I also know that our Allah (swt) doesn't punish anyone for the "actions" that are beyond one's control. If the CREATOR is calling it a "sin" through HIS prophets and punishing the creations who violate the "nature" blessed to them by their CREATOR, then who am I to call it all natural and not in control of a person.
It is better to trust the creator than the science that keeps changing (contradicting) its perspective from time to time, with every new research.
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If one of my siblings admitted to being gay while they are adult sane individuals, what choices do I have? Shoot them in the face, start to despise them, or accept them for who they are and continue to love and support them the way a sibling should? Not a tough choice to make honestly. I don't think homosexuality is a curable disease/condition (not talking about rebellious/experimenting teenagers and child molesting priests and maulvis here), at least in my opinion.
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Homosexuality is as old as we are. Yet the traditional concept of families has endured. So no, homosexuality is not destroying family structure.
What is a family? I don't have a blood family, but I do have a family. So my definition is; a group of people who share a mutual bond, and who protect that bond by being responsible for each other; giving support, making sacrifices, and growing together. All of which is underwritten by trust and loyalty.
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I have always said it's something that I can't object to since everyone is entitled to their own lifestyle. I just don't want my kids growing up in a neighborhood or around people that are okay with this concept.
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I think I understand Reha's question about gayism and familyand let me put an extention towards it. So lets say there is a gay couple who wants to adopt or a 1000 gay couples who want to adopt. These are able and financially stable people who can provide a good family for the child. Would you rather have them adopt the kid where they can provide a better education and home for the kid or let the kid stay in an orphanage with no certain future.
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There isn't a need to idealise homosexuality and paint homosexuals as the wronged ones! If your child grew up to be a thief, what would you do? Support him because that's what you're supposed to do as a parent? Homosexuality arises mainly due to improper upbringing and moral guidance! It has been made clear to me ever since I was a child that stealing is immoral. Homosexuality is beyond immoral and homosexuals are "a people transgressing beyond bounds" so I'm obviously not going to take it easy when my child turns out to be a gay! I'd be destroying his life? errr no, he'd be destroying his own life as well as his akhira!
Sure, if he/she doesn't listen, I'd leave them alone but I'd never support this behaviour. Most people on this forum are muslim Pakistanis so I guess we're discussing things from our point of view? If we're talking about the western culture or homosexuality outside of religious context, ignore my post.
In terms of adoption, yes it is great if homosexual couples adopt children and give them a better future. But how easy would it be for the child to live in such a "unique" household and what effect would such a relationship have on the child? That's a different topic altogether.
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Even looking at it from a SOLELY Islamic view point, let's make a distinction.
Being homosexual does not necessarily equate participating in homosexual actions.
It is bothersome to hear people say homosexuality is horrible and all.
Yes, I do believe that the majority of homosexuals make a 'choice.' And there are many reasons for that: porn, having had failed relationships with the opposite sex, or just the social acceptance that is seen today etc.
However, there IS certainly a subset who are truly homosexual. If homosexuality was only learned behavior without any innate inclination, it wouldn't have existed through thousands of years. And there are many other reasons to believe so.
Perhaps the test in Islam is to refrain from ACTIONS that "God" has ordained immoral. It does not mean that homosexual inclinations themselves have not been "made" by God. Just like any other "sin."
In the end, a huge, if not the whole, reason behind our hate/intolerance toward homosexuality is social conditioning.
Now, I'm not claiming that I'll be happy and dandy if my siblings or children become homosexual. I will have my reservations. But I do think that it's because of the way I have been brought up. It's just new territory. But that doesn't mean one should go around looking down upon or shunning people with homosexual tendencies.
Stepping into the shoes of a muslim, If I meet a muslim gay guy who has refrained from homosexual actions, does his prayers etc. versus a normal heterosexual who has had his fun with girls despite doing his prayers etc, I would have a much higher opinion of the former.
Now, back to the OP, like others have said, it's better to have two supportive dads than being orphaned. I wouldn't use the word 'destroying'.
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I agree with what princessjojo has said. However, in terms of adoption, I feel straight heterosexual couples should be given priority over homosexual ones. Simply put a child deserves to grow up in a normal environment with a 'mum' and 'dad' and only when the other option is an orphanage be allowed to be adopted into a homosexual family. Sounds harsh yes but I am uncomfortable with the idea of a kid growing up with two 'dads' or two 'mums'.
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Perhaps the test in Islam is to refrain from ACTIONS that "God" has ordained immoral. It does not mean that homosexual inclinations themselves have not been "made" by God. Just like any other "sin."
Sin doesn't come from God, it comes from the devil. The test is to understand that and not come under the influence of shaitaan.
In the end, a huge, if not the whole, reason behind our hate/intolerance toward homosexuality is social conditioning.
Now, I'm not claiming that I'll be happy and dandy if my siblings or children become homosexual. I will have my reservations. But I do think that it's because of the way I have been brought up. It's just new territory. But that doesn't mean one should go around looking down upon or shunning people with homosexual tendencies.
Exactly. Hate and intolerance isn't acceptable but you are free to express your disliking for something. I wouldn't look down on anyone who does things that i consider immoral (especially when the person isn't of the same religion) but I wouldn't accept those things as being right either.
And I agree with this:
Stepping into the shoes of a muslim, If I meet a muslim gay guy who has refrained from homosexual actions, does his prayers etc. versus a normal heterosexual who has had his fun with girls despite doing his prayers etc, I would have a much higher opinion of the former.
Now, back to the OP, like others have said, it's better to have two supportive dads than being orphaned. I wouldn't use the word 'destroying'.
and this:
However, in terms of adoption, I feel straight heterosexual couples should be given priority over homosexual ones. Simply put a child deserves to grow up in a normal environment with a 'mum' and 'dad' and only when the other option is an orphanage be allowed to be adopted into a homosexual family.
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Homosexuality is a big problem in muslim families?
And I mean gays as I am pretty sure I can work in and around the lesbian problem if it occurred! ;)
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But the devil too is made by God...I view it as a test from God. Just like alcohol has been made available by God but we are expected to refrain from it. Anyway, we are digressing from the OP.
All that said, I do agree with Rizla. Growing up with a mom and a dad fulfills the 'nurturing' and 'toughening up' part of development, (for the lack of better words.) So basically, for me:
Having **good *mom + dad > having *good **dads OR moms > being an orphan.
But between bad and good parents, regardless of sexual orientation, the good win.
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maybe homosexuality is a big threat to the fantabulous family structures that islamic societies are so famous for.. in a secular society that is by definition degenerate, i think it'll be alright to consider homosexuals to be humans with needs, desires and ambitions similar to heterosexuals. and not be combined alongside thieves and criminals.
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^I may sound like a big critic of "my own religion", but I agree with queer 100%.
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I may sound like a mullani (if I already don't) but I say neither I nor you have the **power **to decide what's alright and what isn't, especially when it comes to the so-called "grave sins" and this is why I keep referring to the prescribed set of guidelines we know as religion. But we all sure do have the **right **to decide what's right and wrong for us, not for all.
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BBC…i think its safe to say now, that you are a ‘paindu’ 
BTW…gays are abnormal…they need to be ‘institutionlized’ like psychos..