Re: Is homosexuality destroying our family structure?
I think I'm still "behind" in times and have no problems admitting that I find it odd to see a child being raised by mommy and mommy or papa and papa. But hats off to those folks who do that I guess. AT least they try to provide some sort of stability no matter how strange it sounds to someone like me.
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You don't need research, its common sense.
In any society where homosexuality is accepted (i.e. improper moral guidance) it's incidence is higher all the way from the ancient Greeks up to modern western societies. I do not believe homosexuality is nature, it's 100% nurture.
Common sense, tt? If it had been made clear to them what is allowed and what isn't, would they ever develop such thoughts?
So do you believe that there are no homosexuals in Muslim countries?
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Ofcourse there are. And, in my opinion, they are misguided.
Ok I sound weird now. But you get the point I hope?
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It has been suggested that homosexuality is genetically inherited and that those who have this 'predisposition' are victims of it not sinners of any sort. However, there are other things which are probably genetically influenced to give predispositions to for example gambling or alcoholism. It could also be argued (and has been) that it is programmed into men's genetics for them to be unfaithful to their partner. All these things don't make it the right thing to do, nor does it prevent these things from being regarded as sinful.
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well.. pretty much every study done in the last 20 years on the effect of having homosexual/same sex parents has shown the kids have no significant difference in development, self-esteem, gender identity; and did better than kids that grew up under single parents. so no, that isn't even an argument anymore..
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Well in that case, no it isn't destroying family structure.
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for those that say homosexuality is the result of nurture, can you list.. say 3 conditions.. that cause kids to grow up as homosexuals? thanks.
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Yup. 
I apparently had an improper upbringing with no moral guidance.
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homosexuality is more common among 2 types of backgrounds: deprived (usually due to bad role models, bad experiences etc) and white privilidged(more acceptance of homosexuality, this category tend to be more rebellious and have the resources to do so), more common among children with parents who have marriage problems.
Any biological/genetic theory doesn't explain the fact that even if there's a natural predisposition why the majority of people with the similar biological factors are NOT gay and the fact that there's no statistically significant figure on genetic/hormonal factors causing homosexuality.
Also doesn't explain why there's a higher incidence of men having sex with men but then going on to have long term heterosexual relationships in western societies.
Just because homosexuality is the product of nurture doesn't mean they have a choice in their practices just means that the approach needs to be different.
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Queer, sexual orientation develops across a person's lifetime! I've never heard of a "gay gene". If homosexuality was genetic, you'd always expect twins to be of the same sexual orientation. Can you list 3 scientific facts that prove homosexuality is not a choice but something we're born with?
There have been many research studies conducted on the brains of psycopaths and they've found certain traits in their brains are different from those of "normal" individuals. But they've never been able to prove whether those traits developed over a period of time or were present at the time of birth! It is exactly the same with homosexuality. Neither I nor you have a list of facts!
Anyway, to me, it doesn't matter whether it is a choice or not. I wouldn't treat them any differently than I would everyone else. Whether I accept it as being right or not is up to me. So TT dude, no offense. Honestly.
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Let's say 'normal' is being heterosexual. Abnormal is being 'homosexual'. It still does not make it unnatural. Sexual orientation can be apparent right from the time a child is 2-3 years old. Most 2-3 yr olds are not that conditioned.
There are plenty, countless diseases and abnormalities that a human can have. They all cannot be traced to one gene. It's not simple like that.
It's not hard to fathom that just ONE, only one such abnormality may be homosexual tendencies. Let's even go to the extent of calling it faulty wiring in the brain. From birth. And if it's from birth, that makes it natural.
I just want to make a disclaimer here if anyone is offended by the use of 'abnormality'. I'm using it as a replacement for a trait which is uncommon. For the sake of making a point.
Homosexuality is seen among animals as well. Yes, we are not animals. That argument can be made. But then the argument that favors a man's inclination to more than one woman vs a woman's need to have only one may also get shaken.
Again, say there are a 100 gays, I concede that 90 are probably socially conditioned because of some reasons I mentioned in my earlier post. That in no way discounts the fact that 10 of those 100 gays must be 'just born that way'.
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But the question remains. Is there any scientific proof to back up my pov or your pov?
It all comes down to our own beliefs and values in the end. Despite the differences, we all tolerate (if not accept) each other's pov and that's what matters, right?
Re: Is homosexuality destroying our family structure?
It has been suggested that homosexuality is genetically inherited and that those who have this 'predisposition' are victims of it not sinners of any sort. However, there are other things which are probably genetically influenced to give predispositions to for example gambling or alcoholism. It could also be argued (and has been) that it is programmed into men's genetics for them to be unfaithful to their partner. All these things don't make it the right thing to do, nor does it prevent these things from being regarded as sinful.
I agree with this. People have genetic tendencies to various things. Like alcoholism, as you said.
Having the tendency to do something 'bad' is definitely not bad in itself.
Committing that 'bad' is bad depending on the definition of bad in context of religion/ethics etc. Phew.
Now from a Muslim's perspective, unless and until a Muslim gay commits homosexual acts, how is he a bad Muslim if he just *feels *a natural inclination?
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i didn’t know gays were so important 
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Now from a Muslim's perspective, unless and until a Muslim gay commits homosexual acts, how is he a bad Muslim if he just *feels *a natural inclination?
Homosexuality is explicitly forbidden in Islam. But I don't believe an inclination makes anyone a bad Muslim. And I don't really judge them as long as they're alright people. As BBQ said, I won't treat them as inferior based on their orientation.
I actually know a few gay people too and a couple of Muslim guys who say they're gay. These guys don't act on their erm inclinations because they think it is a test by Allah. Just like there are children born without limbs, people who get cancer, etc. Its a test of their submission to Allah. I'm actually hella proud of them lot.
I have a friend who was gay for a few years but he has 'turned' for lack of a better word. He now dates women exclusively. And before you talk about social pressures causing this shift, he was openly gay, his family knew, his workplace knew (Major Hollywood studio so they're not homophobic) and all his friends knew. That's not the only case, there's a couple of other references he gave us when he was down to meet all his mates. Apparently this isn't impossible and happens from time to time. People change their sexual orientation. Also, its not as black and white as gay/straight. Societal conditioning plays as much a part in that as anything else.
Also homosexuality isn't a trait favoured by nature as it goes against the propagation of species. It just happens. We live in a spectrum of Straight and Gay.
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But the question remains. Is there any scientific proof to back up my pov or your pov?
It all comes down to our own beliefs and values in the end. Despite the differences, we all tolerate (if not accept) each other's pov and that's what matters, right?
Isn't it ironic that this argument is in some way about having 'faith.'
Yes, I think we are all entitled to our views. Live and let live, you know. As long as we don't make hurtful comments to others.
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I agree with this. People have genetic tendencies to various things. Like alcoholism, as you said.
Having the tendency to do something 'bad' is definitely not bad in itself.
Committing that 'bad' is bad depending on the definition of bad in context of religion/ethics etc. Phew.
Now from a Muslim's perspective, unless and until a Muslim gay commits homosexual acts, how is he a bad Muslim if he just *feels *a natural inclination?
Freewill. Just like he has the will to decide if he should drink or not. Just like freewill applies to everything else. To feel like drinking alcohol is not a sin unless it's executed.
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It all comes down to our own beliefs and values in the end.
thats what they said when they burnt witches at the stake in the dark ages.. blind belief and blind faith that can not be proven must NOT be the basis for persecution.
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Gay people...is that a family? What is a family? Is it a man and woman? Or can it be a woman and a woman? Or a man and a man?
Where is our family structure now?
i do see it as a hormonal issue and that gays are born gay, there is something different in the wiring for them. it's not something they choose, but i wish the desi gays would actually come out and admit to their homosexuality. they would be ruining the heterosexual person's life as well as their own when they marry them to please society rather than admitting outright right from the beginning about their sexuality
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Hell yes its destroying the family structure. If one of my forefathers was homosexual, I would not be here, writing this. Fast forward couple of hundred years from now and all those who could be born would not born if we/some switch their sexual preferences.